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Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip
#21701673 - 05/20/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Whenever I have tripped with people recently, it hasn't been the type of trip where we have a good time and marvel at nothing (and yet everything) together, it has been more along the lines of agonizingly awkward situations in which heavy baggage ends up being dragged to the surface, or awkward vibes are created through miscommunication, miscommunication that can't be righted by simply addressing the fact that there has been some miscommunication along the way (this creates an even stronger awkward vibe)
I've noticed that people hate to acknowledge the fact that they are tripping, that we're here to get weird, not try to keep the lid on and act 'normal'.
I love the idea of tripping with company, but that idea has been soiled by multiple shitty experiences with people now.
I'm just starting to lose hope. It's depressing as fuck, and I don't want to trip alone forever. I'd love to have that one friend who I always trip with, but it doesn't seem like something that's ever going to come to fruition
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: nuds]
#21701701 - 05/20/15 09:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You just have to be careful of you trip around. Only trip with people that are "explorers" and enjoy weirdness. I won't trip with 99% of people I meet for this reason. Hell, half the people that say they want to trip with me won't ever be able to for the reasons you mentioned.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: nuds]
#21701729 - 05/20/15 09:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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That doesn't sound good man. Honestly it's all about finding the right people to trip with. If you don't relate with the individual(s) on deep levels, then you won't relate to them on shrooms. When your on a psychedelic, it unveils more of your truest psyche, and if your truest psycche doesn't match the psyche of the people your trippin with, then it just won't work i guess. If you find the right people to trip with it's great because you get to share the experience together, and talk about the different thoughts and phenomena that you each experience.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: Purplecapz]
#21701789 - 05/20/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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This is the exact reason that I ALWAYS prefer to trip alone. Most people are just a fucking drag, that and it's just much better to sit back listen to music and trip balls.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: DigitalTorture]
#21704176 - 05/20/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's the use in wanting to trip if you're not prepared to get weird? Maybe I've just got to be more selective about who I trip it.
A pep talk of sorts might be worth doing before a trip, laying it out on the table before the fun begins
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: DigitalTorture]
#21704191 - 05/20/15 09:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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DigitalTorture said: This is the exact reason that I ALWAYS prefer to trip alone. Most people are just a fucking drag, that and it's just much better to sit back listen to music and trip balls.
This.
besides the music.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21704247 - 05/20/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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DigitalTorture said: This is the exact reason that I ALWAYS prefer to trip alone. Most people are just a fucking drag, that and it's just much better to sit back listen to music and trip balls.
This.
besides the music.
besides the music!?
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21704274 - 05/20/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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DigitalTorture said: This is the exact reason that I ALWAYS prefer to trip alone. Most people are just a fucking drag, that and it's just much better to sit back listen to music and trip balls.
This.
besides the music.
I take it you have never tripped while listening to the house of the holy album by led Zeppelin? That is one hell of a head space.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: DigitalTorture]
#21704299 - 05/20/15 09:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I find a critical aspect of integrating the psychedelic experience back into the regular life sharing it with others. This means experiencing it together and talking extensively about the experience in the afterglow. Granted, it's most critical to find the right people to trip with because it's important to be able to open up to those you are around. Ayahuasca therapy talks about this as well and the communication is very much a part of the therapy.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: daytripper05]
#21704391 - 05/20/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Bloody oath, I second that. It's hard to experience a mind blowing, ego shattering trip and then have nobody to talk about it with.
Or even worse, to experience a heavy trip with someone where both of you have baggage dragged to the surface, and then have them try to continue on as if it had never happened. Looking someone in the eye when you speak to them is critical during a trip, and it pisses me off no end when someone looks everywhere but into your eyes during/after having that sort of experience.
Tripping has taught me to accept people for everything they are and everything they aren't. The good, the bad and the ugly. I think many people aren't prepared to accept that "it is what it is".
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: nuds]
#21704427 - 05/20/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You're tripping with the wrong people Or you should just be tripping alone. Much better, more freedom
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: daytripper05]
#21704432 - 05/20/15 10:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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best way to kill awkwardness is with awkwardness, have some fun with it. when things get really awkward start looking off in the distance, roll your eyes back and start drooling or some shit....just exaggerate whatever you can. I'd even recommend trying to get mad comfortable early on...be straight up and mention how you're both gonna be buggin out and awkward shit pisses you off so if mentally you're gonna have trouble keeping shit flowing buggin out mention this and how sometimes you might need help or for you both to just completely say fuck it and forget whatever it is you were trying to communicate if you're just doing a shitty job ahah.
Maybe do something active like go for a hike, skateboard, snowboard, bike...I've found I need to stay active while tripping to have a a reallllly good trip now, staying home gets too mental and I have too much nervous energy it seems. Those natural endorphins go sooo well with psyches, you trip harder and your visuals and thoughts are so crisp. If you gotta stay home get comfortable, bring up topics for conversation with whomever it is before it kicks in that you know will flow with them...put music on you two agree with or get a movie going you two personally enjoy.
I just recommend you be straight up with them as if were your girl and it was a relationship. To keep a good relationship going you need to always share your feelings and where your at mentally in it, going into a psychedelic trip with someone is no different and if awkward shit ticks you make it known that it's bothered you on past trips for unknown reasons (probably because psyches make people bug which is a totally legit reason to bring this up) and you're gonna try to have fun with it this time as much as possible and if they could help too hopefully this trip can be a kick ass one.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: Jvells]
#21704488 - 05/20/15 10:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I feel you... I once had a soulmate who I would always trip with, nothing would ever go wrong.. Now times have changed
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: Jvells]
#21704710 - 05/20/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Epistrophy said: You're tripping with the wrong people Or you should just be tripping alone. Much better, more freedom
There are good and bad aspects about both. It'd be nice to have a balance between tripping alone and tripping with company.
Awesome advice Jvells, cheers. I'll definitely be addressing certain aspects of the trip beforehand next time.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: nuds]
#21704721 - 05/20/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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that's odd to me man, usually when me and my friends trip we just laugh hysterically and act like maniacs all day long
tell them to stupid being stupid pussies and start a pillow fight or something fun
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: DigitalTorture]
#21705400 - 05/21/15 07:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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DigitalTorture said:
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Bill_Oreilly said:
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DigitalTorture said: This is the exact reason that I ALWAYS prefer to trip alone. Most people are just a fucking drag, that and it's just much better to sit back listen to music and trip balls.
This.
besides the music.
I take it you have never tripped while listening to the house of the holy album by led Zeppelin? That is one hell of a head space.
I take it you never tripped alone in silent darkness? now THATS one hell of a headspace.
For me, music is a distraction and is overrated while on mushrooms.
music is cool when taking LSD, though.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: daytripper05]
#21705522 - 05/21/15 08:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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daytripper05 said: I find a critical aspect of integrating the psychedelic experience back into the regular life sharing it with others. This means experiencing it together and talking extensively about the experience in the afterglow. Granted, it's most critical to find the right people to trip with because it's important to be able to open up to those you are around. Ayahuasca therapy talks about this as well and the communication is very much a part of the therapy.
I agree with this completely but I have also heard of lineages that encourage drinkers of the sacrement to keep their visions private. The reasoning being that the visions were revealed to them and to them only. To speak of them would compromise them in their view. Speech could never do justice to the highly divine and personal nature of what was shown. So don't even bother. That kind of argument.
There is a valid point there. OP points at miscommunications as sources for the awkwardness. But miscommunications might be impossible to avoid as the psychedelic experience is so incredibly personal...
I think it requires a lot of listening and space in conversations. I always struggle to express myself in words when I trip and when I get cut short, I get in trouble and start to feel awkward.
When I went to silent retreats they would break the silence by having everyone give a monologue of 7 minutes because two way interaction was too full on. I almost feel like it takes that much dedicated listening to have a non-solo flight work out.
I always tell people I trip with upfront that I usually zone out and get quiet. I might even ignore them. I tell them that it has nothing to do with them, just with my incapacity to communicate properly. I'm sure it helps a little.
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: GoldenEye]
#21705534 - 05/21/15 08:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Oh, and try tripping with chicks you can at least cuddle with and hold hands with. If there is no need for words it rarely gets awkward
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: GoldenEye]
#21705562 - 05/21/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The best solution is to solo trip until you find "the one". I've always had the "awkwardness" that comes with people. I've found it extremely hard to find someone that is on the same "signal" as me...I just like to explore. I would be more than happy to not talk at all. Everyone seems to have to comment on everything going through their minds. I would prefer to trip with someone if they just didn't talk, and that by itself has come of as awkward. You really need to trust someone to trip with, I have never had a trust worthy buddy. They always seem it, but you know...
What's wrong with tripping alone? It has many good sides to it. More relaxing on the mind, more freedom, and 9/10 people cause my bad trips...
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Re: Awkward vibes preventing an enjoyable trip [Re: GoldenEye]
#21705692 - 05/21/15 09:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Nothing wrong with tripping alone at all. But it kinda goes with the old saying, "If a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it, did it actually fall? Was there even a tree?" Tripping alone, the way I see it, you are that tree. Tripping alone has a sense of alienation to it.
Humans are social beings. We couldn't even survive alone and thrive in small groups. For these reasons I feel like experiencing altered states of consciousness with other people is critical for proper balance and understanding. We can feel other's emotions, perspectives, and even memories. We tell stories and talk on the internet with people from all over the world.
I'm not saying don't trip alone or anything. I have tripped alone, it was fine. But my best trips have been shared with very close people that I was able to connect with on a much deeper level. So deep that we as a group were able to play in that world much more freely and openly. Sharing discoveries of the universe with thoughts, feelings, emotions, memories. Words aren't always required to share these experiences.
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GoldenEye said: I agree with this completely but I have also heard of lineages that encourage drinkers of the sacrement to keep their visions private. The reasoning being that the visions were revealed to them and to them only. To speak of them would compromise them in their view. Speech could never do justice to the highly divine and personal nature of what was shown. So don't even bother. That kind of argument.
There is a valid point there. OP points at miscommunications as sources for the awkwardness. But miscommunications might be impossible to avoid as the psychedelic experience is so incredibly personal...
There is definitely some validity there. But it's not as simple as that in my mind. I feel like we can't tell just anyone our experience without being ridiculed. But if you can share the experience with a like-minded individual, you are able to learn together and keep track of the discoveries. But the way I see it is no different than real world. We need others to help map out the world so we all can navigate. By sharing experiences with others it makes it easier to get back to that same spot and journey beyond without getting overwhelmed and lost in our thoughts.
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