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Re: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21724828 - 05/26/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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No quotas but you must employ a certain number of blacks or you will get sued for discriminatory hiring practices.

Fal, just give it up already, the point has been proven numerous times to you, all you are doing is engaging in a debate of semantics, that's all you got left.



Ok, so what was the "certain number" in this case?




The company already had a good percentage of blacks and Hispanics as employees (including managers), but it wasn't enough according to the EEOC, if you want to hang your hat on the fact that the EEOC won't suggest (at least publicly) a "certain number" that meets their standard so therefore a quota policy doesn't exist, you have failed.


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Re: [Re: qman]
    #21724877 - 05/26/15 01:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.law360.com/articles/477768/eeoc-must-prove-tactics-in-30m-bass-pro-deal-proper


EEOC looking for a $30 million settlement.  :rofl2:

"The EEOC also provided statistical evidence providing a glimpse into (a certain number?) HOW FEW HISPANIC AND BLACKS, work at Bass Pro. In 2010, 4.3 percent of the chain 8.839 employees were black, the EEOC states. Hispanics comprised 6.2 percent of the company's workforce"

Wow, for a government agency not concerned about a "certain number" of black/Hispanic employees working at Bass Pro, they sure keep track and then determine "how few" of them are employed, the next thing you know they want a $30 million settlement.  :rofl2:


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Re: [Re: qman]
    #21725038 - 05/26/15 02:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

>Fal, just give it up already, the point has been proven numerous times to you, all you are doing is engaging in a debate of semantics, that's all you got left.

He never admits anything. He will be dead a week and still arguing with the devil saying 'prove I'm dead'


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Re: [Re: qman] * 1
    #21726241 - 05/26/15 07:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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qman said:
http://www.law360.com/articles/477768/eeoc-must-prove-tactics-in-30m-bass-pro-deal-proper


EEOC looking for a $30 million settlement.  :rofl2:

"The EEOC also provided statistical evidence providing a glimpse into (a certain number?) HOW FEW HISPANIC AND BLACKS, work at Bass Pro. In 2010, 4.3 percent of the chain 8.839 employees were black, the EEOC states. Hispanics comprised 6.2 percent of the company's workforce"

Wow, for a government agency not concerned about a "certain number" of black/Hispanic employees working at Bass Pro, they sure keep track and then determine "how few" of them are employed, the next thing you know they want a $30 million settlement.  :rofl2:




Here are the court documents related to the case. The issue in this case is NOT whether or not Bass Pro Shops met a quota. It's whether or not human resources was directed to prefer white candidates. That would be clearly illegal based on current anti-discrimination laws.

From the court documents you can see that the plaintiffs argue that Morris (founder and majority owner) said "this company will never have a quota system because that's not the kind of people I want working in my stores." They also argue that there was a "Profile" which was used by Human Resources Managers as a directive to hire white candidates. If this is true, it's clearly discrimination. The defendants suggest the quote was simply suggesting that quotas are illegal.

This case is not an example of a company being sued because they didn't meet a quota of minorities. It is an example of a company being sued because it is alleged that they willingly discriminated against minorities in the hiring process. It is one thing to not hire a minority applicant, but it is entirely another to actively discriminate against them.

So, can you provide an example where a company actually was sued because they didn't meet some tacit quota? This case, quite clearly, does not fit the bill.


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Re: [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21726247 - 05/26/15 07:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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>Fal, just give it up already, the point has been proven numerous times to you, all you are doing is engaging in a debate of semantics, that's all you got left.

He never admits anything. He will be dead a week and still arguing with the devil saying 'prove I'm dead'




Pot, meet kettle. Kettle, meet pot.


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Re: [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21726419 - 05/26/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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BoldAsLove said:
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qman said:
http://www.law360.com/articles/477768/eeoc-must-prove-tactics-in-30m-bass-pro-deal-proper


EEOC looking for a $30 million settlement.  :rofl2:

"The EEOC also provided statistical evidence providing a glimpse into (a certain number?) HOW FEW HISPANIC AND BLACKS, work at Bass Pro. In 2010, 4.3 percent of the chain 8.839 employees were black, the EEOC states. Hispanics comprised 6.2 percent of the company's workforce"

Wow, for a government agency not concerned about a "certain number" of black/Hispanic employees working at Bass Pro, they sure keep track and then determine "how few" of them are employed, the next thing you know they want a $30 million settlement.  :rofl2:




Here are the court documents related to the case. The issue in this case is NOT whether or not Bass Pro Shops met a quota. It's whether or not human resources was directed to prefer white candidates. That would be clearly illegal based on current anti-discrimination laws.

From the court documents you can see that the plaintiffs argue that Morris (founder and majority owner) said "this company will never have a quota system because that's not the kind of people I want working in my stores." They also argue that there was a "Profile" which was used by Human Resources Managers as a directive to hire white candidates. If this is true, it's clearly discrimination. The defendants suggest the quote was simply suggesting that quotas are illegal.

This case is not an example of a company being sued because they didn't meet a quota of minorities. It is an example of a company being sued because it is alleged that they willingly discriminated against minorities in the hiring process. It is one thing to not hire a minority applicant, but it is entirely another to actively discriminate against them.

So, can you provide an example where a company actually was sued because they didn't meet some tacit quota? This case, quite clearly, does not fit the bill.




Did you read anything I posted, did I say the case was about "quotas"?  No I didn't, what is it with you and Falcon,  why the lack of reading comprehension? 

It's NOT ABOUT MEETING A PUBLICLY MANDATED quota, it's a opinion about "how few Hispanic and blacks" are employed at Bass Pro in the EEOC's opinion and then being charged with hiring discrimination for not hiring enough (quota, wink, wink) of Hispanics and blacks.

That's the same dam policy as having mandated quotas, there is NO difference, anyone who has experience in the corporate world could explain this very basic concept to both you and Falcon.


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    #21726443 - 05/26/15 08:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'll ask you the same question, did you read anything that I posted?

This case is not about how few Hispanics and Blacks work there. The plaintiffs are arguing that there was a directive to prefer white applicants over minority ones. There is a huge difference between not hiring "enough" (however many that is) minorities and actively discriminating against them. The latter is illegal.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: WAN]
    #21726542 - 05/26/15 09:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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why can't we allow people (who are White) to decide for and among themselves that they only want to live with and among others who are white?"




White people do have this right. I don't know what on earth gave you the impression that they didn't. This is pretty basic freedom of movement. You're completely free to move to an all white town no matter what your motive for moving there is.

However, if you want to move there because you don't want to live around people of other races, that's still racist. It's legal, but it's racist.

Before you jump on me for that, honestly, I don't feel comfortable living in or walking around in areas that are like 99% black. I would definitely avoid living in such a place. That's still racist though. I am racist for feeling like that, but at the same time, I'm perfectly free to feel like that, and to move where ever I want to based on my racist feelings.

There are things like freedom of expression, freedom of speech and so on and so fourth in America. You can live, and feel, and believe whatever you want to.


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Re: [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21727937 - 05/27/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'll ask you the same question, did you read anything that I posted?

This case is not about how few Hispanics and Blacks work there. The plaintiffs are arguing that there was a directive to prefer white applicants over minority ones. There is a huge difference between not hiring "enough" (however many that is) minorities and actively discriminating against them. The latter is illegal.




"actively discriminating against them"

Which was impossible to prove in the first case before the court, which got it dismissed. At the end of the day the EEOC was using statistics which showed nothing more than "not hiring enough" to prove their case.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: nooneman]
    #21727950 - 05/27/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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nooneman said:
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WAN said:
why can't we allow people (who are White) to decide for and among themselves that they only want to live with and among others who are white?"




White people do have this right. I don't know what on earth gave you the impression that they didn't. This is pretty basic freedom of movement. You're completely free to move to an all white town no matter what your motive for moving there is.

However, if you want to move there because you don't want to live around people of other races, that's still racist. It's legal, but it's racist.

Before you jump on me for that, honestly, I don't feel comfortable living in or walking around in areas that are like 99% black. I would definitely avoid living in such a place. That's still racist though. I am racist for feeling like that, but at the same time, I'm perfectly free to feel like that, and to move where ever I want to based on my racist feelings.

There are things like freedom of expression, freedom of speech and so on and so fourth in America. You can live, and feel, and believe whatever you want to.




"I don't feel comfortable living in or walking around in areas that are like 99% black...That's still racist though"

No, it's not racist, it's rational for very obvious reasons.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: WAN]
    #21728770 - 05/27/15 01:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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WAN said:
why can't we allow people (who are White) to decide for and among themselves that they only want to live with and among others who are white?"


    Social media can fuck over a business .  Do you think anyone smart enough to own large company these days is going to move to a fuck all you black people town . I know some people who own a couple hotels and one of their biggest concerns  is what people say about them on the Internet .  There aren't that many buisness models I can think of that would survive serving only white people .  Confederate flag bikinis and tshirts might be hit though .
    What I really want to know is how people like you plan to get rid of the minorities who are already there when you decide to make a town all white ?  Never been anywhere that had zero people of some kind of color ? Perhaps you could call up the kkk and ask them what to do about that problem .


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Re: [Re: BoldAsLove]
    #21729940 - 05/27/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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This case is not about how few Hispanics and Blacks work there. The plaintiffs are arguing that there was a directive to prefer white applicants over minority ones. There is a huge difference between not hiring "enough" (however many that is) minorities and actively discriminating against them. The latter is illegal.



Exactly.  :thumbup:


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Thaj]
    #21730625 - 05/27/15 10:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Those debates are created by opressed or self hated people in one way or  the other. There is no need for such thing if you love yourself and mankind,  because if you do, you will be able to understand this and why government promotes segregation among people. It would be colour, sex, religion etc..the recipe is always the same. Get out of this tumbler and see thing from above




It was 'Government' that forced desegregation of American schools. It is government that forces 'Tolerance'. Of course tolerance implies something unpleasant. No one tolerates anything that is agreeable. So what is oppression? Tolerance. Free people do not tolerate.


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Re: [Re: qman]
    #21730645 - 05/27/15 10:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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qman said:

"actively discriminating against them"

Which was impossible to prove in the first case before the court, which got it dismissed. At the end of the day the EEOC was using statistics which showed nothing more than "not hiring enough" to prove their case.




Statistics were a small part of the EEOC case. The meat of it was the founder of the company saying "...that's not the kind of people I want working in my stores" and the alleged directive to prefer white applicants.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: psilynut]
    #21730655 - 05/27/15 11:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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psilynut said:
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WAN said:
why can't we allow people (who are White) to decide for and among themselves that they only want to live with and among others who are white?"


    Social media can fuck over a business .  Do you think anyone smart enough to own large company these days is going to move to a fuck all you black people town . I know some people who own a couple hotels and one of their biggest concerns  is what people say about them on the Internet .  There aren't that many buisness models I can think of that would survive serving only white people .  Confederate flag bikinis and tshirts might be hit though .
    What I really want to know is how people like you plan to get rid of the minorities who are already there when you decide to make a town all white ?  Never been anywhere that had zero people of some kind of color ? Perhaps you could call up the kkk and ask them what to do about that problem .




Of course white folks - what ever they are - cannot and will not be granted any choices. Its a hard times only. The hatred is politically correct and the masses will take their revenge on whites. Death camps are coming. It is and will happen again. Whites were the only race that dropped racism. The least racist race on the planet are whites. We are ready for our punishment. Bring it on and get it over with. Guess no one will give a shit and give us a holy land like the Jews got. Fuck even Hitler assisted the formation of the new Isreal. Go ahead, hate us, kill us all off there is nothing we can do about it. I strongly suspect that once we are all dead there will be no such thing as human rights, it will be back to might is right. Only the law of tooth and claw. Enjoy your Chinese masters and Sharia Law. There certainly will not be any psychedelic forums allowed.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: usulpsychonaut]
    #21732219 - 05/28/15 11:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This is the best part of it.  http://www.vdare.com/articles/abolishing-america-contd-do-whites-have-rights

"In the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission blacks comprise 46.4 percent of the employees. The "affirmative action" or racial quota target for proportional representation for the EEOC is 6.4% black employees. Blacks are thus over represented in EEOC employment by 625%"  :rofl2:

I think we all now understand why this EEOC is nothing more than a complete joke.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: qman]
    #21732848 - 05/28/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Exactly.  :thumbup:


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: qman]
    #21733084 - 05/28/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I think we all now understand why this EEOC is nothing more than a complete joke.




If it looks and smells like a turd...


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: qman]
    #21733198 - 05/28/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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qman said:
"In the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission blacks comprise 46.4 percent of the employees. The "affirmative action" or racial quota target for proportional representation for the EEOC is 6.4% black employees. Blacks are thus over represented in EEOC employment by 625%"  :rofl2:

I think we all now understand why this EEOC is nothing more than a complete joke.



The question still is not about the numbers (it never is).  The question is whether blacks get preferential hiring treatment over more qualified whites. If so, then the EEOC could be sued for discrimination.  If the discrepancy is simply because blacks are more interested in EEOC positions, and apply at a much higher rate, then there's not a discrimination problem.  See how that works?


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21733449 - 05/28/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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qman said:
"In the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission blacks comprise 46.4 percent of the employees. The "affirmative action" or racial quota target for proportional representation for the EEOC is 6.4% black employees. Blacks are thus over represented in EEOC employment by 625%"  :rofl2:

I think we all now understand why this EEOC is nothing more than a complete joke.



The question still is not about the numbers (it never is).  The question is whether blacks get preferential hiring treatment over more qualified whites. If so, then the EEOC could be sued for discrimination.  If the discrepancy is simply because blacks are more interested in EEOC positions, and apply at a much higher rate, then there's not a discrimination problem.  See how that works?




>The question still is not about the numbers (it never is).

Its always about the numbers. Instead of calling it a quota, they call it a "target" or a goal or some other euphemism so the dishonest lefties can say there is no quota.

>The question is whether blacks get preferential hiring treatment over more qualified whites

Clearly they do, we see all these discrimination lawsuits and the percentage of blacks or whatever group is trying to gain an advantage is central. Not enough negroes and its considered damn near absolute proof of discrimination. Being the most qualified has nothing to do with it at this point. As long as the negro has the minimum requirements then he/she must be hired over the white to bring up the percentage.


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