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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21719394 - 05/25/15 01:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Fal, you seem to suffer from a bad case of leftidosis. You just parrot the same thing over and over. No one is saying there is a written law setting quotas. What my links showed is that if a company does not follow the unwritten rules, they get sued. Get it?



Your examples did not show anything about companies getting sued for not hiring enough minorities.  They got sued for other reasons.

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A big lawsuit costs a lot of money to defend. Are you with me so far?



So far, so good.

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Companies do not like to spend millions on legal costs with no results except to wait for the next lawsuit. So, to avoid the constant expense and possibly ruinous outcome if they lose, they meekly hire more negroes than they need, more women, Hispanics, gays, handicapped, native americans, etc. And if it makes their staff bloated and incompetent, at least they can continue to do business.



They're free to do that if they want, but they WON'T get in trouble for not hiring a quota, because there is no quota.  Unless you can find an example of a company that actually got in trouble for not hiring enough of a minority.


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Re: [Re: qman]
    #21719399 - 05/25/15 01:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Answer the question I asked before, why do corporations hire any incompetent minorities at all? And why do they continually hire them after so many bad experiences?  Just for the fun of it.



For the same reason they hire so many incompetent white people.  Because you can't judge all employees by an interview.

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You do not have an answer for it, quotas are a reality despite the fact it's illegal.

Guess what happens when a incompetent minority gets dismissed from a corporation?  They get replaced by another minority!!  I wonder why that happens.  :lol:



Do they?  Can you prove that's true?  :popcorn:


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: starfire_xes]
    #21719405 - 05/25/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, there is a 'National Association For The Advancement of Colored People'and 'The United Negro College Fund'......





I just wanted to add "The United Honkey Justice League." A group of specially trained militia targeting white on white violence.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21719761 - 05/25/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.adversity.net/c14_tbd.htm

Texaco:  A Case Study in Racial Intimidation!
Firm Pays $176 Million to Avoid Years
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Also pays additional millions to buy-off Jesse Jackson, the NAACP, the Urban League and others.


Texaco Buys Temporary Freedom from Racial Harassment:  In late 1996, and in early 1997, Texaco, Inc. agreed to a settlement of over $176 million in order to bring to an end a profit-killing vendetta by the NAACP -- aided by the U.S. Department of Justice and the U.S. EEOC -- for Texaco's alleged racial discrimination.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21719926 - 05/25/15 07:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Your latest case was about Texaco discriminating against its black employees.  This discrimination was even caught on tape by a senior personnel coordinator.  It wasn't about Texaco not hiring enough blacks.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21720031 - 05/25/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It showed the extortion tactics used by your people

When some greedy fool wants to prove a discrimination case all they have to show is that the applicant had the minimum qualifications and was not hired while a white person was. That's all they have to show. The employer can state they didn't like the person's attitude but if its a minority, that will not fly. They have to justify every action.

http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v5n2/affirmative.html

Time has not quelled controversy over policies of preferential treatment. First instituted in the 1960s and 1970s by employers and educational institutions in response to pressures from civil rights groups, federal legislation, and court rulings, preferential treatment programs seek to rectify the effects of past and ongoing discrimination against women and racial minorities. These programs are designed as temporary measures to increase the employment and educational opportunities available to qualified women and minorities by giving them preference in hiring, promotion, and admission.

But, we are wasting our breath on you. None so blind as those who will not see.


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Re: [Re: Falcon91Wolvrn03]
    #21720146 - 05/25/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Answer the question I asked before, why do corporations hire any incompetent minorities at all? And why do they continually hire them after so many bad experiences?  Just for the fun of it.



For the same reason they hire so many incompetent white people.  Because you can't judge all employees by an interview.

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You do not have an answer for it, quotas are a reality despite the fact it's illegal.

Guess what happens when a incompetent minority gets dismissed from a corporation?  They get replaced by another minority!!  I wonder why that happens.  :lol:



Do they?  Can you prove that's true?  :popcorn:




"for the same reason they hire so many incompetent white people"

No it's not the same reason, it has nothing to do with the interviewing process.

"Can you prove that's true?"

When you have to fire a incompetent minority and then replace them with another one, it's very obvious to everyone in the department what is going on, again if you choose to be blind to this reality so be it.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: qman]
    #21720162 - 05/25/15 09:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I guess you are in the US. Here in Europe we employ whomever is the best, most qualified candidate. WTF has colour got to do with commercial success ?


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Ron Leake]
    #21721187 - 05/25/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Different people say different things, so who is right?  Falcon or Stone?


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Ron Leake]
    #21721328 - 05/25/15 03:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I guess you are in the US. Here in Europe we employ whomever is the best, most qualified candidate. WTF has colour got to do with commercial success ?




We have people that believe cultural diversity must be a very high priority in all aspects of life, it constantly backfires as it does nothing more than build resentment and puts incompetency on full display, it's a failed concept.


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Re: "If two people want to fuck, let them fuck" [Re: Stonehenge]
    #21722433 - 05/25/15 08:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It showed the extortion tactics used by your people



What extortion tactics?  The Government wasn't even involved in that case.  Your article said that there was an audio recording proving Texaco management was racist, and so they got sued.  Nothing about them not meeting quotas.

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When some greedy fool wants to prove a discrimination case all they have to show is that the applicant had the minimum qualifications and was not hired while a white person was. That's all they have to show.  The employer can state they didn't like the person's attitude but if its a minority, that will not fly. They have to justify every action.



And you haven't shown an article that proves this.

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http://www.scu.edu/ethics/publications/iie/v5n2/affirmative.html

Time has not quelled controversy over policies of preferential treatment. First instituted in the 1960s and 1970s by employers and educational institutions in response to pressures from civil rights groups, federal legislation, and court rulings, preferential treatment programs seek to rectify the effects of past and ongoing discrimination against women and racial minorities. These programs are designed as temporary measures to increase the employment and educational opportunities available to qualified women and minorities by giving them preference in hiring, promotion, and admission.

But, we are wasting our breath on you. None so blind as those who will not see.



It's me that's wasting time on you.  You just brought up an example of quotas being used in Government, not private industry.  I acknowledged that happens in one of my first posts in this thread.


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    #21722445 - 05/25/15 08:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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"Can you prove that's true?"

When you have to fire a incompetent minority and then replace them with another one, it's very obvious to everyone in the department what is going on, again if you choose to be blind to this reality so be it.



I agree.  Now can you find an example of this happening in industry, or are you just making things up?


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    #21722807 - 05/25/15 09:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Fal has sharpened up his negativity game by butting heads with enlil. We've show everything you demanded and if you don't accept it, that's your problem.

I've shown that countless lawsuits are filed almost every time a minority doesn't get something he/she wants. The employer has to jump through hoops to show it wasn't prejudice.


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    #21722843 - 05/25/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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We've show everything you demanded and if you don't accept it, that's your problem.



Which link showed someone getting in trouble for not meeting a quota?  I only saw links where people got in trouble for racism.

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I've shown that countless lawsuits are filed almost every time a minority doesn't get something he/she wants.



No, what you've shown is lawsuits of minorities suing for wrongful discrimination.


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    #21724019 - 05/26/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-blog/labor/235568-courts-remind-eeoc-again-background-checks-dont-equal-racism

When the EEOC gets desperate they pull out all the nonsense, even that criminal background checks were racist. :facepalm:  At least the courts overruled it.


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    #21724110 - 05/26/15 09:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.law360.com/articles/424985/bass-pro-can-t-shake-eeoc-s-race-discrimination-suit

"The EEOC sued Bass Pro in Sept. 2011...According to the lawsuit Morris (the owner and founder) answered a question about racial quotas, posed at a meeting of store managers in 2004 or 2005, by saying, "the company will never have a quota system because that's not the type of people I want working in my stores."

So if one even suggests that they don't believe in a quota system the government comes after you, why does the EEOC care who Bass Pro hires?  Again, it's the same out bullshit, "there's no such thing as quotas, but you need to hire MORE black people".  :huxleyfacepalm:

"Judge Ellison said Morris' statement displays a "discriminatory attitude", it is insufficient to conclude that any Bass Pro hiring decisions were linked to his comments. Bass Pro has denied the EEOC discrimination claims and disputes that Morris made the comment"

Once again a judge has to fight off the EEOC and its "you're a racist employer if you don't hire more blacks."


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    #21724405 - 05/26/15 10:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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http://www.law360.com/articles/424985/bass-pro-can-t-shake-eeoc-s-race-discrimination-suit

"The EEOC sued Bass Pro in Sept. 2011...According to the lawsuit Morris (the owner and founder) answered a question about racial quotas, posed at a meeting of store managers in 2004 or 2005, by saying, "the company will never have a quota system because that's not the type of people I want working in my stores."

So if one even suggests that they don't believe in a quota system the government comes after you, why does the EEOC care who Bass Pro hires?  Again, it's the same out bullshit, "there's no such thing as quotas, but you need to hire MORE black people".  :huxleyfacepalm:

"Judge Ellison said Morris' statement displays a "discriminatory attitude", it is insufficient to conclude that any Bass Pro hiring decisions were linked to his comments. Bass Pro has denied the EEOC discrimination claims and disputes that Morris made the comment"

Once again a judge has to fight off the EEOC and its "you're a racist employer if you don't hire more blacks."




Exactly, this is the kind of bullshit they pull all the time. I'm waiting for black owned businesses to be sued because they don't have enough whites but it will never happen. They don't even want background checks because they know negroes often have crimes on their record and that disqualifies them.


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    #21724501 - 05/26/15 11:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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According to the lawsuit Morris (the owner and founder) answered a question about racial quotas, posed at a meeting of store managers in 2004 or 2005, by saying, "the company will never have a quota system because that's not the type of people I want working in my stores."

So if one even suggests that they don't believe in a quota system the government comes after you, why does the EEOC care who Bass Pro hires?  Again, it's the same out bullshit, "there's no such thing as quotas, but you need to hire MORE black people".



The lawsuit wasn't about how they answered the question, nor about quotas.  It was about the company's practice of not hiring blacks and minorities.

Again, the question is whether or not there are hiring quotas in private industry.  There are not, and so far no one has shown there are.


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    #21724763 - 05/26/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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According to the lawsuit Morris (the owner and founder) answered a question about racial quotas, posed at a meeting of store managers in 2004 or 2005, by saying, "the company will never have a quota system because that's not the type of people I want working in my stores."

So if one even suggests that they don't believe in a quota system the government comes after you, why does the EEOC care who Bass Pro hires?  Again, it's the same out bullshit, "there's no such thing as quotas, but you need to hire MORE black people".



The lawsuit wasn't about how they answered the question, nor about quotas.  It was about the company's practice of not hiring blacks and minorities.

Again, the question is whether or not there are hiring quotas in private industry.  There are not, and so far no one has shown there are.




"The lawsuit wasn't about...quotas...It was about...not hiring (a certain number of) blacks and minorities"
:huxleyfacepalm:

No quotas but you must employ a certain number of blacks or you will get sued for discriminatory hiring practices.

Fal, just give it up already, the point has been proven numerous times to you, all you are doing is engaging in a debate of semantics, that's all you got left.


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    #21724774 - 05/26/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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No quotas but you must employ a certain number of blacks or you will get sued for discriminatory hiring practices.

Fal, just give it up already, the point has been proven numerous times to you, all you are doing is engaging in a debate of semantics, that's all you got left.



Ok, so what was the "certain number" in this case?


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