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How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin?
    #21699565 - 05/19/15 06:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I mentally tolerate LSD very well, I think the drug produces some eurphoria for me which makes the trip easy to handle. Mushrooms do not really give me any euphoria to ease the tripping experience and can be harsh and anxiety inducing as a result.In your experience,  how does mescaline compare to these two?


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #21699725 - 05/19/15 07:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

with all the love in my heart,

UTFSB NUB.

but you can do that the next time you have a silly question thats been answered a million times.

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mescaline lasts longer than acid. it almost feels like you're rolling, takes a bit more before you feel like you're really in deeper waters.

i've heard it said here somewhere, that mushrooms are like peewee's play house, acid is like a japanese cartoon where you have no idea what the fuck is going on, and mescaline is like scooby doo.

take that how you will and go look up what hundreds of other folks have said on this topic.

mescaline is much more forgiving IME


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: jack_straw2208]
    #21699824 - 05/19/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

First of all, mushrooms are way, WAY more euphoric than acid. You have obviously not tapped into that. It is possible to trip and not experience the euphoria, but once you learn to tap into it, you will see how much more intense it is than LSD.

Secondly, mescaline is like shrooms in that regard only it has an even more intense body high.

Id say mescaline has some qualities of LSD and some qualities of shroom. Your ability to keep your head and interact with people is preserved on mescaline whereas it is lost on mushroom but mescaline has the spirituality that LSD lacks.


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: Deviate]
    #21699855 - 05/19/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mushrooms are not more euphoric than LSD. Euphoria with psychedelics is entirely subjective. There is no tapping in. I've "tapped in" and mushroom euphoria doesn't come close to touching LSD. Nor am I alone in that. And vice versa is true for other folks. Subjective. OP, mescaline is awesome.


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: Dark_Star]
    #21699889 - 05/19/15 07:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I disagree, mushrooms are vastly more euphoric than LSD in terms of body high. I understand there is a lot of subjectivity involved, but that doesn't mean its wholly subjective. And the body of high of LSD can be very intense during the onset and peak as also, but it will fade long before the trip ends whereas the mushroom body high lasts most of the trip.


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: Deviate]
    #21699929 - 05/19/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I disagree, mushrooms are vastly more euphoric than LSD in terms of body high. I understand there is a lot of subjectivity involved, but that doesn't mean its wholly subjective. And the body of high of LSD can be very intense during the onset and peak as also, but it will fade long before the trip ends whereas the mushroom body high lasts most of the trip.




I agree with this guy. Mushrooms 'can be' extremely euphoric, and sometimes they can't be (body high) I think it depends on the environment or frame of mind.

It could be different to each individual.
I get a body high from L but It's not the same spiritual feeling like dream like that I get from shrooms.

Although I have minimal experience with L and much experience with shroms


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21699950 - 05/19/15 08:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Although I have minimal experience with L and much experience with shroms




I have taken shrooms and LSD maybe 10 times each. Maybe thats my problem, I should increase my sample size for accurate comparison. :laugh:.


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: dr.alkaline]
    #21700675 - 05/19/15 11:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The effects of mushrooms vary widely between the different species.  Cubensis, which can vary in the amount of baeocystin, are not always very "friendly" and the experience can sometimes turn very dark.  Ps. mexicana, on the other hand, has no baeocystin at all and have always had an uplifting, positive effect in my experience and in others whom I know.  Terence McKenna himself left cubensis behind in 1988 following a very dark experience with it.

LSD is chemically similar to both a phenethylamine and a tryptamine and has that psychostimulant euphoria effect, but it also lasts 12 hours and has a tail end to it that is not very pleasant; you want it to be over.  Dave Nichols tells me that he hypothesizes that LSD is metabolized into another compound that results in that tail end jangly type of feeling.

Mescaline, as a phenethylamine, has a decidedly strong psychostimulant effect.  It also tends to be harder on the gut because to be active it requires 500mg to get the full effect and it tends to affect the gut, causing nausea or intestinal discomfort.

Of the three compounds, in my older years now, I prefer Ps. mexicana mushrooms.  They are friendly, fully active at only 1g, and always leave me feeling healed and whole.


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: elfstone]
    #21701471 - 05/20/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks alot elfstone.
I very much agree through my experience that different species of active mushrooms have general different feelings and effects.
Gymnopilus luteus was always extremely euphoric body high, god/dream like visuals and body high, no naseua at all, and super hilarious.

Cubensis can be like that too, but recently my grows have been Very dark. Although I do still enjoy the experiences. I'd rather have some silly trips rather than dark and serious.


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: MajickMuffin]
    #21703245 - 05/20/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Mescaline is very similar to LSD for me minus the euphoria mescaline gives me, the only way to describe mescaline euphoria is to imagine finding your exact place in the world like a puzzle piece. Working out the mental dramas and such and realising it really is never that bad, that all you need to know about life is to enjoy it. Success in life is good but means nothing if you haven't enjoyed that lovely road to the end, you may fail so do others, mescaline just shows you that you are you and no matter what, that your life is a divine blessing that you have to/should appreciate no matter what.

After that you realise nothing really matters "that" much, that's why I love mescaline it's like a psychologist father who will always love you and show you the way


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: elfstone]
    #21703270 - 05/20/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The effects of mushrooms vary widely between the different species.  Cubensis, which can vary in the amount of baeocystin, are not always very "friendly" and the experience can sometimes turn very dark.  Ps. mexicana, on the other hand, has no baeocystin at all and have always had an uplifting, positive effect in my experience and in others whom I know.  Terence McKenna himself left cubensis behind in 1988 following a very dark experience with it.

LSD is chemically similar to both a phenethylamine and a tryptamine and has that psychostimulant euphoria effect, but it also lasts 12 hours and has a tail end to it that is not very pleasant; you want it to be over.  Dave Nichols tells me that he hypothesizes that LSD is metabolized into another compound that results in that tail end jangly type of feeling.

Mescaline, as a phenethylamine, has a decidedly strong psychostimulant effect.  It also tends to be harder on the gut because to be active it requires 500mg to get the full effect and it tends to affect the gut, causing nausea or intestinal discomfort.

Of the three compounds, in my older years now, I prefer Ps. mexicana mushrooms.  They are friendly, fully active at only 1g, and always leave me feeling healed and whole.





Great post. Wasn't even aware of the other analogues in psilocybin mushroom. Baeocystin seems like an interesting compound for sure. I wish there was a way to extract this stuff without having a lab and a organic chemistry background.

From Wikipedia when I initially read up on the compound. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baeocystin

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"10 mg of baeocystin were found to be about as psychoactive as a similar amount of psilocybin." Gartz also reported in a research paper that a self-administered assay of 4 mg of baeocystin caused "a gentle hallucinogenic experience".




Interesting that some call it gentle. I would love to try some psilocybin mushrooms that aren't cubensis. The Ps. Mexicanas and P. Cyanescens really interest me.


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: Dark_Star] * 1
    #21704155 - 05/20/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushrooms are not more euphoric than LSD. Euphoria with psychedelics is entirely subjective. There is no tapping in. I've "tapped in" and mushroom euphoria doesn't come close to touching LSD. Nor am I alone in that. And vice versa is true for other folks. Subjective. OP, mescaline is awesome.




I agree completely.


and to add to that..i see mescaline as more of a healing experience that is harder to use for recreation than the other substances due to the nausea. I would never take mescaline to simply "have a good time" like I would mushrooms or LSD.

mescaline is weaker on the mind, and the visuals. But its much more harsh on the body. That's why I say its not really recreational.


its long and drawn out. its a "hot" trip..where mushrooms and LSD seem to be a "cool breeze" experience.


imagine the sun beating down on you. That's mescaline.

imagine the cool wind blowing at your back....that's LSD.


imagine the rain and wind howling out your window...that's mushrooms.


imagine a hurricane...that's DMT


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21704309 - 05/20/15 09:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Mushrooms are not more euphoric than LSD. Euphoria with psychedelics is entirely subjective. There is no tapping in. I've "tapped in" and mushroom euphoria doesn't come close to touching LSD. Nor am I alone in that. And vice versa is true for other folks. Subjective. OP, mescaline is awesome.




I agree completely.


and to add to that..i see mescaline as more of a healing experience that is harder to use for recreation than the other substances due to the nausea. I would never take mescaline to simply "have a good time" like I would mushrooms or LSD.

mescaline is weaker on the mind, and the visuals. But its much more harsh on the body. That's why I say its not really recreational.


its long and drawn out. its a "hot" trip..where mushrooms and LSD seem to be a "cool breeze" experience.


imagine the sun beating down on you. That's mescaline.

imagine the cool wind blowing at your back....that's LSD.


imagine the rain and wind howling out your window...that's mushrooms.


imagine a hurricane...that's DMT




Absolutely agree with bill. Terrific way of explaining it. (Btw hope your doing all right.)All my LSD  experiences were in Kentucky a few years ago and the mescaline came a few weeks after my first trip, for awhile I was on a healthy dose of both of them. Mescaline is long, and very interesting the whole time, My deepest spiritual experience came from a very large dose of mescaline


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Re: How does mescaline compare to LSD and psilocybin? [Re: MinnesnowtaNice]
    #21705016 - 05/21/15 01:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

well i think 1st thing, no need to be a total dick for asking a reasonable question.

I look forward to trying mescaline.  My thoughts on LSD, Shrooms, DMT: Having done mushrooms and LSD a fair amount I would say they are completely different and like Bill's analogy, but I would say for me LSD is like futuristic and modern when I have full blown hallucinations and I see things like characters from a movie and or space robots, etc. (recently had some profound and vivid visions on lsd with nitrous) whereas shrooms have an earthly more organic, somewhat darker and ancient feel to them.  Maybe I'm bored with shrooms because I've had them almost exclusively, but LSD intrigues me more and I find myself not physically locked down or sedated and yawning.

On LSD I see robots, ninja women and angry machines, but shrooms I see buddahs, mythical creatures pyramids and runes.  I know people that never see anything close to this or if they do they can't/won't describe or articulate the experience, but I am beginning to believe they both access different realms.  I'm not sure what to call it except to say that I feel that I've passed the purely recreational point and DMT further made me susceptible to these hallucinations and the difference is more noticeable between the effects are more noticeable. 

It seems like the more psychedelic experience I gain and combined with nitrous shit gets almost to a dmt level for a few brief moments but that are somehow complete performances.  dmt 90% indescribable to me and that's because what you see and are able to remember defies reason and logic. lately, on dmt I recall more and more of my trips and I see a grand design with a mental clarity that lacks the emotional head trip of both shrooms and lsd.  I used to balk at the idea of another dimension but dmt has made me a believer and greatly enhanced my experiences and appreciation for shrooms and lsd.

Can't speak to it but really curious about mescaline and the idea of a much longer trip appeals to me.


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