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ACRB Goo
#21698934 - 05/19/15 04:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hope all is well with everyone. enjoy the pic!

An extraction was done following thick light's tek. Experimenting with each pull. One so far is recrystallizing, another after pulling was redissolved into fresh naptha (more yellowish), the last little bit was just what came out of the room temp drop out which cooled about 25min (brownish orange). Only been experimenting with half of my ACRB concentrate. Can never get crystals to stay crystals though even though that's what the Tek always describes(just not fast enough?), but one does realize that one is not removing all the impurities that can be with a wash. No matter its the goo that's the goal! Might do a wash on the second half of the concentrate.
Does anyone elses goo ever come out brown like that? had it before smokes great just a huge body load.
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Yea I've gotten it. I would think about cutting that up and letting it dry out further if possible.
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Thanks for the tip. How do you cut up goo though? Its a bitch to manage. Freeze it then chop?
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I'd chop it up on piece of glass and let the air get to it. Missing it up and chopping more each time. Either that or go with a straight up recrystallization.
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I recommend doing a mini A/B on the naptha you pulled from the initial basic solution. ACRB has some plant fats and impurities that are soluble in warm naptha. I found that the naptha from my initial pulls to be very yellow. Looks like cloudy piss. For this reason you do a mini A/B on the yellow naptha. The DMT goes back into the acidified solution, then you suck the yellow naptha back off the top. Basify and pull 5 more times like you did the first time around.
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Thank you both for your shared wisdom. Yea I more than likely will end up doing the mini A/B!
Quick question why is it that whenever one dries the precipitate it is always in a cool area? Like why not next to an open window where naptha evaporate more easily? Or would sunlight have a negative effect? Or is it just the amount of time for the precipitate to consolidate?
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Hmm doesn't look too good tbh, I would be afraid to smoke that goo. And it looks really thick, like it's not going to crystallize anytime soon even with scraping around. I see a third patch of slightly yellow-clear goo in the picture, on the right side of the blade, below the yellow goo. That's the only kind of goo I like to see, a honey color.
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Re: ACRB Goo [Re: Icon]
#21699970 - 05/19/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I did some experimenting and just freeze precipitated the yellow naptha. I had similar looking goo. I evaporated the naptha in an hour or two and sampled the goo through a rig. It was great. Didn't taste or smell the best compared to the crystal, but it certainly worked! Had a different effect than the crystal, but still very pleasant.
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get a metal pan or just a pot. Fill with water and put it on the stove..on low heat.
get a glass cup. Put a little bit of naptha in the cup and put the goo in the cup as well. put the cup in the pot of water and wait for it to warm up.
the naptha will warm up and then you mix around the goo. When the goo is dissolved, take everything off the stove and out the naptha in the freezer to get crystals.
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That's not going to guarantee crystals at all. If you freeze precipitate naptha with loads of oils and plant fats you aren't going to get very much crystal formation at all, and there is a good chance the crystals melt at room temp back into goo. Naptha pulls a full spectrum extract from ACRB, which is why the mini A/B is so critical to success.
Both extractions were done with 50g of ACRB from the same batch using the same process, except one without the mini A/B for cleanup.
1. Freeze precipitating naptha before the mini A/B:
200mg crystal

800mg goo

2. Clean up using the mini A/B. The little tint of yellow you see was the goo was scraped from the bottom of the pan. I could easily re-x this with hexane to clean that up even further but it's not worth the effort IMO.
Yield was a little over 1g, 2% yield.

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I prefer the yellow crystals actually.
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I tried them both. The goo was definitely awesome and took me to space just the same except the body load was much heavier. Crystals are fun though and really cool to look at. I felt much more accomplished when making crystal vs. goo.
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TheGreenArrow said: I prefer the yellow crystals actually.
Same here.
The high seems to have more substance and quality to it.
White DMT Is very "light" and colorless.
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daytripper05 said: That's not going to guarantee crystals at all.
it works for me 
the idea is leaving the goo behind in the cup.
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Your yield is going to suffer quite a bit. That goo still has DMT in it along with other actives. By doing the mini A/B you get much more crystal without losing the precious yield and literally throw away the oils and fats. I saw in another thread you mentioning having lower yields. If it's not the bark, then that's definitely the issue.
But anyways, the guy was asking why he wasn't getting crystals and how to get more. I posted why along with some visible results of the differences in the process. Wasn't trying to get into whether or not the yellow crystals was better, but just how to get more crystal and better yields. 
FWIW, it's nice to be able to have a process to have a choice to get goo or crystal, depending on what you want it for. I think I'll make more goo for changa and vaporize the crystal. Another cool thing you can do with the crystal is convert is to DMT fumerate and have an oral version for pharmahuasca. OP, if you want the goo then more power to you. I love the goo as well. Love the auditory hallucinations and body load on the goo. Literally feels like death.
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thank you all for your responses! Decided to put all the goo into a little bit of naptha dissolve it and do the mini A/B bath. I did smoke some of the brown goo before that. Again very pleasant just super body load.
daytripper05 thanks for the visuals those are excellent references.
Will post final product when I get to it in the morning or tomorrow morning depending on schedule!
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Re: ACRB Goo [Re: Icon]
#21700433 - 05/19/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icon said: Hmm doesn't look too good tbh, I would be afraid to smoke that goo. And it looks really thick, like it's not going to crystallize anytime soon even with scraping around. I see a third patch of slightly yellow-clear goo in the picture, on the right side of the blade, below the yellow goo. That's the only kind of goo I like to see, a honey color.
Sorry I can't be more helpful.
Yea I tried the honey colored too. That big yellow part is just a blob of yellow cooled down. Same stuff just ws colder than that goop your referring too.
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daytripper05 said: Your yield is going to suffer quite a bit. That goo still has DMT in it along with other actives. By doing the mini A/B you get much more crystal without losing the precious yield and literally throw away the oils and fats. I saw in another thread you mentioning having lower yields. If it's not the bark, then that's definitely the issue.
But anyways, the guy was asking why he wasn't getting crystals and how to get more. I posted why along with some visible results of the differences in the process. Wasn't trying to get into whether or not the yellow crystals was better, but just how to get more crystal and better yields. 
FWIW, it's nice to be able to have a process to have a choice to get goo or crystal, depending on what you want it for. I think I'll make more goo for changa and vaporize the crystal. Another cool thing you can do with the crystal is convert is to DMT fumerate and have an oral version for pharmahuasca. OP, if you want the goo then more power to you. I love the goo as well. Love the auditory hallucinations and body load on the goo. Literally feels like death.
my low-ish yields had nothing to do with my process of turning goo into crystal. I have since fixed my issue.
I don't know anybody that would WANT the goo. bt hey if you like the heavy bodyload and feeling like death then more power to ya 
the goo is as good as garbage, IMO.
and why would you need fumerate for pharmahuasca?
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there is nothing wrong with goo,I have no idea why the obsession with pretty looking crystals,
just dissolve the goo in IPA,add caapi/harmalas/ and you have changa
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Re: ACRB Goo [Re: Elff]
#21701424 - 05/20/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Considering you used used acacia, it has more fats and oils than mimosa which results in more goo.
You also keep mentioning a strong body load, that is also probably attributed to the accacia because acacia also has NMT which adds a little twist of its own as well as the body load.
Re-x as most people are telling you to get more pure crystals.
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The goo has other active alkaloids, like N-Methyltryptamine which can have quite desirable effects. Goo can make changa have a different feel to it. It's nice to have different changa blends for different moods and people. It's not a "one size fits all" world.
DMT Fumerate is much more stable than DMT freebase and less prone to oxidation. DMT Fumerate is an acidic salt and is soluble in water. DMT Freebase is not water soluble. So when you orally ingest DMT fumerate, it's easier for the body to digest and absorb since it's already water soluble. There is no need for the body to convert so it's much more bioavailability than DMT freebase, at least from everything I have read. I know DMT freebase works orally too, but DMT fumerate would be the way to go if you were planning ahead of time to take DMT orally.
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twotoejoe said: Hope all is well with everyone. enjoy the pic!

An extraction was done following thick light's tek. Experimenting with each pull. One so far is recrystallizing, another after pulling was redissolved into fresh naptha (more yellowish), the last little bit was just what came out of the room temp drop out which cooled about 25min (brownish orange). Only been experimenting with half of my ACRB concentrate. Can never get crystals to stay crystals though even though that's what the Tek always describes(just not fast enough?), but one does realize that one is not removing all the impurities that can be with a wash. No matter its the goo that's the goal! Might do a wash on the second half of the concentrate.
Does anyone elses goo ever come out brown like that? had it before smokes great just a huge body load.
I use cybs atb hybrid salt Tek, but have looked over thicklights several times, it seems simpler than cybs.
What would you recomend?
Is the thicklight Tek preferable to cybs?
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I recommend you use Earthwalker's tech, which is a specific ACRB modified tek based on Cyb's ATB tek. It's all about the mini A/B for the defat and cleanup.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
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daytripper05 said: I recommend you use Earthwalker's tech, which is a specific ACRB modified tek based on Cyb's ATB tek. It's all about the mini A/B for the defat and cleanup.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
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I will say though, that I am not recommending against using other teks. This is just what worked best for me in regards to ACRB. If I was using MHRB, I probably wouldn't mess with the mini A/B and would go straight to freeze precipitating.
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I love whatever I pull. Goo or crystals, it's usually crystal heavy pulls for the first couple the. Turns more gooey as I keep pulling.
No re-X for me. Just smoke both. Sometimes I mix them.
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Re: ACRB Goo [Re: Elff]
#21701894 - 05/20/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Worst of luck ran out of naptha yesterday working on another other pull. So its to the store to get some more then Re-X the yields.
While doing pulls does anyone ever get crystals form in solution? Like literally sitting on top of the plant mush? I was able to get them with my dropper in tact. But they still turn into goo .
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daytripper05 said: I recommend you use Earthwalker's tech, which is a specific ACRB modified tek based on Cyb's ATB tek. It's all about the mini A/B for the defat and cleanup.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
All about the defat and the cleanup. I'm just looking at the illustrations as I have that link saved as well. I guess it was just me wanting goo that prompted my decision to use thicklights.But after having smoked yesterday I want less of the body load because I can never breakthrough cause I find it hard to move lol.
Nice though 
Curious though. When it comes to scraping the goo how do you all manage to get everything off? Literally scrapping away and can just see residue I am missing. I was thinking of putting the pyrex in a warm bath to see if I could get the goo to be more manageable? Or should I just put in some naptha dissolve it and add it to the other bunch that I plan to A/B?
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Honestly I haven't much of a problem with scrapping it at all. I know there is a margin of loss, but it's pretty negligible. I just have a big pack of razor blades, the small rectangle ones. I also bought specific sized pyrex dishes with sides that are easier to scrape. The dish itself is smaller than the ones I use for cooking so there is less surface area, but plenty area to grow crystals. My dishes are square, not rectangle so I feel like that helps.
I also have years of experience scrapping hash oil extractions so I feel like I have some practice at making the most out of my razor blades. But I have done exactly as you mentioned before. Just take warm naptha and dissolve any left over oil in the pan. You could dissolve what's on your razor blades too.
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daytripper05 said: Honestly I haven't much of a problem with scrapping it at all. I know there is a margin of loss, but it's pretty negligible. I just have a big pack of razor blades, the small rectangle ones. I also bought specific sized pyrex dishes with sides that are easier to scrape. The dish itself is smaller than the ones I use for cooking so there is less surface area, but plenty area to grow crystals. My dishes are square, not rectangle so I feel like that helps.
I also have years of experience scrapping hash oil extractions so I feel like I have some practice at making the most out of my razor blades. But I have done exactly as you mentioned before. Just take warm naptha and dissolve any left over oil in the pan. You could dissolve what's on your razor blades too.
Thanks never thought about getting painter razor blades. Or the rectangular ones whichever you prefer to call them. Just reupped on some naptha. Boiling some water to get this party started.

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when it comes to doing this mini A/B do I want to get the left over fat that is still in the solution?
"You will notice there seems to be a white fatty layer between the water and new solvent , this is normal ! It is a mix of dmt particles and mostly of fat that seems to still make it through the Backsalting stage"
I am referring to the fat layer that is mixed with DMT particles that may be in excess after the A/B
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Do not suck up the fat. Just keep doing your pulls and the consistency of the fat seems to change. Almost as if DMT the is coming out of it more and more with each pull. I didn't suck up any of this fat and I got over 2% yield.
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daytripper05 said: Do not suck up the fat. Just keep doing your pulls and the consistency of the fat seems to change. Almost as if DMT the is coming out of it more and more with each pull. I didn't suck up any of this fat and I got over 2% yield.
Thanks daytripper!
really appreciate the mentoring.
getting this goo to redissolve is a bitch though. My dumbass for some reason felt I should put my goo in a small shot glass to dissolve. Boy was that a mistake I should have just put it into my vessel that had the naptha in it for boiling. Oh well
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so glad I made two batches of concentrate. This next batch I will just be following Earthwalker's.
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Post pics once you get it all finished, would be interested to see how it all turns out.
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I will!
Should I expect room temp precipatation? or should I just go ahead and freeze precipitate once I am through?
I will take pictures of the bowl once this first pull is through
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Definitely freeze precipitate for 24hrs+. Then drain off the naptha through a coffee filter to collect the crystals that don't stick to the bottom of the pan.
Your pulls should be crystal clear, perhaps a hint of cloudiness the first couple pulls. Be careful not to suck up the water. It's really hard to tell since both liquids are clear.
Next time I do an extraction I am going to freeze precip once then re-x and let the naptha evaporate to get bigger crystals...just for fun, because why not right?
Good video with some stuff about recrystalization. http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-5-0001-digital-lab-techniques-manual-spring-2007/videos/recrystallization/
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So far it is exactly how it should be on my last pull right now. Solution has gone nearly clear. All my pulls were clear until I put them under my cooling fan then there was definitely some cloudiness to the solvent.
Thanks for the video man !
Upon doing this pull I found out I need a new respirator too. Keep gettin whiffs of the naptha.
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daytripper05 said: I will say though, that I am not recommending against using other teks. This is just what worked best for me in regards to ACRB. If I was using MHRB, I probably wouldn't mess with the mini A/B and would go straight to freeze precipitating.
When I use MHRB ive actually been performing a slightly less lazy version of the "lazy mans Tek", though I modified it, its still very basic, but still performs just fine.
ACRB is another story (has anybody tried lazy mans TEK with ACRB? Would it fail without the defat step?) Ive been using cybs Tek, but want something a bit more simple, thicklights looked great, as did the one you recommended, though I will admit I have yet to practice either Tek, but I'm considering either your recommendation or thicklights for my next extract.
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Does anyone elses goo ever come out brown like that? had it before smokes great just a huge body load.
Do a defat and sodium carb wash
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I read a tek on the nexus that said to let your naptha solution precipitate at room temp for 12 hours, remove crystals and then freeze precipitate till clear.
The logic being that dmt begins to precipitate at a higer temp than nmt and the other oils.
The goo is largely a result of high nmt content, so without this, the resulting product should be crystaline.
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thehoff117 said: I read a tek on the nexus that said to let your naptha solution precipitate at room temp for 12 hours, remove crystals and then freeze precipitate till clear.
The logic being that dmt begins to precipitate at a higer temp than nmt and the other oils.
The goo is largely a result of high nmt content, so without this, the resulting product should be crystaline.
Crytsals aren't going to precip in 12 hours unless you maybe have 100ml or less of nap. Pre-evap some nap.. crash the dmt with a freeze precip... clean up with a re-x.
If you don't re-x you're smoking on some garbage you don't want to be combusting
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Honestly I have never even done an extraction, I was just sharing the wisdom of others, more experienced than myself.
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take the jar of the DMT saturated naphtha and put it into a dark cool area (thats right no freeze precipitation) if you did it right once your jar starts to cool down it will turn milky white wait 12 hours and when you come back youl see that the naphtha is now clear and in the bottom of the jar there is a lot of crystals waiting for you usually 2-4 grams per pull.
Guy seems to know his stuff, and from further research i've done as to how to make beautiful, solid crystal rocks, I have learned that If you allow your naptha/heptane solution to cool very slowly during re-x, over a day or 2, you can yield results like these:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6683
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I will actually be doing that extraction tek in a day or 2. If anyone is interested to see the results, I will post a thread.
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take the jar of the DMT saturated naphtha and put it into a dark cool area (thats right no freeze precipitation) if you did it right once your jar starts to cool down it will turn milky white wait 12 hours and when you come back youl see that the naphtha is now clear and in the bottom of the jar there is a lot of crystals waiting for you usually 2-4 grams per pull.
Getting the dmt out of the naphtha just do a freeze precip and then a slow evap with the re-x. I still don't buy the 12 hours to xtals claim and getting a 2-4 g yield your volume of naphtha would be way too high to room temp precip in 12 hours.. it might take 12 hours just to do a pre-evap to a workable volume.
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Guy seems to know his stuff, and from further research i've done as to how to make beautiful, solid crystal rocks, I have learned that If you allow your naptha/heptane solution to cool very slowly during re-x, over a day or 2, you can yield results like these:
Like these?
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In case anyone was wondering, i ran my extraction (quite successfully for a first timer, thought for sure i screwed it up.)
Did a quarter recipe of that tech i posted. I used 200 mL of naptha and the jar has been sitting at room temp in darkness for around 7 hours and a beautiful, snow white layer of crystals has formed at the bottom.
Given the lack of color to the x-tals, I'd say room temp precipitation yields a very pure product, and will always do so prior to freeze precip.
It's nice because it eliminates the need to re-x.
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thehoff117 said: In case anyone was wondering, i ran my extraction (quite successfully for a first timer, thought for sure i screwed it up.)
Did a quarter recipe of that tech i posted. I used 200 mL of naptha and the jar has been sitting at room temp in darkness for around 7 hours and a beautiful, snow white layer of crystals has formed at the bottom.
Given the lack of color to the x-tals, I'd say room temp precipitation yields a very pure product, and will always do so prior to freeze precip.
It's nice because it eliminates the need to re-x.
Nice! I'll definitely try that out next time around. Thanks for the update
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It's nice because it eliminates the need to re-x.
How so?
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yeah I don't understand how a room-temp evap before the freeze prec. makes for better results.
why nit just freeze prec. right away?
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Think about, the oils will definitely have an easier time precipitating in the freezer rather than at room temp where as the crystals can still precipitate at room temp.
That's my logic at least
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That's my logic at least
I thought room temperature precipitation was only possible in overly saturated solvent....
I mean using thicklights ACRB Tek, sure, before I throw the naptha in the freezer a good deal of DMT precipitates out, so I pour the naptha into a new container, and collect the crop that precipitated out of my original jar. Then I either evaporate the solvent or freeze precipitate out the remaining DMT, then I combine my crops and recrystalize
.....but I thought that the only reason why any DMT precipitated out of the solvent pre-freezing was simply due to over saturation....and that you still must freeze precipitate or evaporate the solvent to retrieve the entire crop.
If your using naptha, DMT is insoluble in cold naptha while very soluble in hot naptha, which is why the freeze precipitation works....
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Some people prefer the goo.
If it was me Id be doing a mini A/B on the goo cuz I prefer crystals for smoking, dosing, and storage.
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That's my logic at least
I thought room temperature precipitation was only possible in overly saturated solvent....
I mean using thicklights ACRB Tek, sure, before I throw the naptha in the freezer a good deal of DMT precipitates out, so I pour the naptha into a new container, and collect the crop that precipitated out of my original jar. Then I either evaporate the solvent or freeze precipitate out the remaining DMT, then I combine my crops and recrystalize
.....but I thought that the only reason why any DMT precipitated out of the solvent pre-freezing was simply due to over saturation....and that you still must freeze precipitate or evaporate the solvent to retrieve the entire crop.
If your using naptha, DMT is insoluble in cold naptha while very soluble in hot naptha, which is why the freeze precipitation works....
...just my thoughts, if I'm misunderstanding what you were saying please correct me....
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This is correct. You would have to use dry ice or something else to get it extremely cold to get the other stuff to precipitate out of the naptha. If I take my take dirty yellow naptha with all the fats and oils and free precipitate it, I get a lot of goo and some yellow oily crystal. When I pour off the naptha, it's still just as yellow as it was previously so obviously there is still stuff inside it that didn't precipitate out.
It's for this reason you should do a mini A/B on dirty yellow naptha or you are going to have to do a couple re-x's to get a good clean crystal. The yellow oily crystal is still a lot of fun though. I vaped 100mg of the yellow crystal with some friends among with another 100-200mg of pure white crystal. I actually recommend people try both types and see which they like best.
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so should I pre-evap by a fan before I put the naptha in the freezer? or should I just stick in the freezer right away?
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It's really not a hard requirement, I've done it both ways and it turned out fine. I notice with more liquid the more crystal precip out and float in the liquid vs. sticking to the dish. If reusing solvent because of the cost then you don't have to pre-evap. Naptha is pretty cheap where I am so cost isn't an issue so I like to pre-evap at least 50% by volume.
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In the future I am going to play around with different techniques to try to grow bigger crystals.
So right when your naptha gets on the dish...you stick it by a cool fan for...how long?
I think I remember you saying 4 hours or so?
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Well for how long depends on how much liquid you have and the temperature in your room. Last time I did it, I ran the fan over the dish blowing towards a window and within a couple hours I had the volume to an acceptable level. 2-4 hours I would say depending on these conditions.
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lets say 150ml in a 75 degree room
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Probably an hour or two. Just go by volume visually, not the length of time.
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Well i know i said the crystals were white, but they turned dmt yellow when i took them out. Yeilded .35 at room temp on the 3rd pull. Afterwards, i freeze precipitate and end up with a translucent yellow goo.
Now I've tried 3 methods of smoking the crystals, homemade crack pipe, foil gb thing and dabbing it on a quartz nail and could never get it to hit me as hard as the goo. i took 3 dabs of crystal, probably a total of .08 and just barely broke threshold, got that odd ringing noise in my ear, lack of motor skills and mild OEVs and CEVs.
On the other hand, when i dabbed a .03-.05 glob of goo, I almost broke through. The entire room began melting in front of me, I literally could not move and when i tried to talk all i could manage were strange broken up words saying "dabbing this is the way to go". The effects came on so hard and fast, that i could feel it after holding the vapor for 5 seconds. Terrifying beauty is how i describe that experience.
Now i haven't researched NMT much, but i know it is one of the main causes of yielding goo from acrb instead of crystals. Personally, I prefer the goo as NMT seems to enhance the effect of DMT, or perhaps the naturally occurring MAOIs in ACRB had more to do with this.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
I imagine if you wanted a more crystaline product from your acrb, you could super saturate your naptha, precipitate for about 12 hours or until naptha is transparent, collect crystals, then re-super saturate the solvent and continue in this manner until no DMT will precipitate at room temp
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Oh and as far as reusing naptha goes, I reused the same naptha for the second pull and used new naptha, that i cleaned once with tap water, for the third pull in equal amounts (150 mL).
The tek i followed said that naptha should be re used because it will be easier to saturate with DMT.
Ironically, The naptha that i reused had a very weak yield, and the naptha i cleaned and pulled with had my best room temp yield so far (the .35)
This led me to a few conclusions: A.) the fact that i cleaned the second round of naptha led to a larger yield and quite beautiful mm-2mm yellow crystals B.) i didnt utilize my double boiler well enough for my reused naptha. (not getting the solution warm enough to super saturate) or C.) reusing naptha has no effect on yield and only an effect on ones wallet. But naptha is so cheap i could care less about using fresh naptha.
If anyone can help me get to the bottom of this, it would be greatly appreciated. I have a basic-slightly advanced understanding of chemistry, and a deep love and respect for the sciences involved and would love to become an expert on this and all other aspects of chemistry.
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In the future I am going to play around with different techniques to try to grow bigger crystals.
For large crystals: Do a full evaporation on your dmt saturated naptha without a fan, meaning put it in a pyrex dish (not too wide or deep you want the solvent fairrly pooled and not spread out, then wait as long as it takes for every last drop of the naptha to air evaporate, then you are left with the largest crystals.
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As for who ever made the comment about yellow VS. White crystals, ive been playing around with this for a long time, first there is DMT polymorphism ( http://www.researchgate.net/publication/236647236_Investigations_into_the_polymorphic_properties_of_NN-dimethyltryptamine_by_X-ray_diffraction_and_differential_scanning_calorimetry ) which is speculated to affect not only DMTs highly variable melting points but also the color of the crystals.....so while yellow DMT can be a result of impurities, there is a polymorph of DMT which is yellow. So color CAN matter but in most cases DOES NOT....keep in mind sodium hydroxide is a white crystalline, so even the clear crystals can be impure.
...so while the yellow crystals are seen as inferior, in reality they are likley to be of equal purity to the clear crystals, perhaps SLIGHTLY less pure, but these slight impurities should not affect the drugs subjective effects....or perhaps due to polymorphism there are forms of pure DMT that are both yellow and clear...polymorpjism also explains the variation in melting points of pure DMT...
As for the experiance goes: Ive never smoked goo. I'm guessing that it may not turn to vapor (smoke) near as well, meaning that it may be hard to deliver sufficing ammounts of DMT to the lungs due to insufficient burning and contaminants, and though I'm sure it would still work, you may need higher doses or multiple hits...
And the yellow crystals smoked at 150mgs are indistinguishable in effect from the clear crystals smoked at 150mgs..
...I would be Willing to bet if you blind-folded a subject and had him sample yellow DMT then clear DMT, then asked was sample-a clear or yellow and was sample-b clear or yellow, the subject would be unable to distinguish any difference between the two....
These are just my oppinions though, and there are people out there who don't argree, I hear "then why do my crystals go from yellow to clear during purification?...my answer would be aside from removing impieties the process is also converting the DMT from one polymorph to another. The issue is still up for debate, but as far as the actual experiance goes, I cant tell the difference between yellow and clear crystals, and the people who feel they can are likley experiancing something psychosomatic induced by their expectations that "clear crystals are better"
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For me, the yellow oily crystal, goo, and the shiny pure white crystal all give consistently different experiences. The body load on the goo literally feels like gravity has been amplified 20x. Like I feel like I weigh a ton vs my normal weight. The yellow goo still has that body load but is definitely more intense. The pure white crystal is the most intense by volume. I can take the same size hits and go way further on the white crystal. Totally anecdotal without a GC/MS test, but I am under the impression the alkaloid content is quite different. The oily yellow stuff tastes a lot worse too. The clear crystal is quite pleasant, whereas the goo tastes like melted rubber.
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Interestingly enough, my almost completely clear goo hit way harder than my yellow crystals. tried to take a second hit and got frozen in the act.
Also, it vapes just as well, if not better than the crystals, and the only "contaminants" in the goo, if you don't screw up extracting, would be NMT and various other alkaloids and plant fats/oils found naturally in ACRB. Which don't seem to weaken effects, if anything, they seem to enhance them.
I now have some more yellow goo, and will be testing it in the same amount as the clear goo to differentiate effects.
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I agree. The goo vaporizes pretty much the same as the crystal. It's just like hitting a dab of hash oil or something. If you have a dab rig + silicon dab containers, it's easy to handle and consume. I just don't like the taste very much. Really makes me want to puke after a few hits. The white crystal takes pretty good though.
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After reading through this thread and many others regarding this GOO, I've come to the conclusion that DMT is so different for everybody that it's almost worthless to try and document effects of different varieties. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on each different form whether it's goo or crystal or yellow crystal or red goo or what ever you have. No one has described the effects they have on my body or mind yet. I was gonna post how it effects me but then realized it wouldn't really matter.
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Well I personally enjoy the yellow crystals the best. For whatever reason it always felt so loving and kind once I'm in hyperspace.
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I throw away my goo. You guys should dissolve a little bit into hot naphtha and then ph test it
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See, I don't get goo, but instead I get this red type of waxy booger-like consistency.
Has anyone smoked this red waxy sticky stuff? if so, whats the deal with it?
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I think that's just dried up goo. All my goo turns into that red waxy stuff eventually.
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My first pulls with mhrb before I really knew what I was doing I always came out with this. I would spounge it up with a nug and light up. Kinda miss the jungle too had more "insanity" to it to me. Now I can't recreate it if I tried weird how that works.
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DMT is one of those magical things where it's so personal and subjective and anything is possible. I love reading about all your effects though.
Actually came to this same conclusion recently. I believe this chemical will take you wherever YOU specifically need to go. But it will only take you there at the PRECISE moment you are ready to go there
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Supachopped719 said: After reading through this thread and many others regarding this GOO, I've come to the conclusion that DMT is so different for everybody that it's almost worthless to try and document effects of different varieties. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on each different form whether it's goo or crystal or yellow crystal or red goo or what ever you have. No one has described the effects they have on my body or mind yet. I was gonna post how it effects me but then realized it wouldn't really matter.
DMT is one of those magical things where it's so personal and subjective and anything is possible. I love reading about all your effects though.
Actually came to this same conclusion recently. I believe this chemical will take you wherever YOU specifically need to go. But it will only take you there at the PRECISE moment you are ready to go there
Also, if you look on Dmt-nexus they have a sticky thread about goo and that its totally good for use and everything.
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This is a GC/MS of an MeOH soak of ACRB, the only alkaloids your going to get is DMT and NMT, maybe some trace beta-carbolines, but that's it. So its not an issue of alkaloids variation
Ive never smoked goo so I cant say, as for freebase yellow crystals and freebase white crystals I'm of the oppinion that they are indistinguishable, ive debated this for hours on the nexus, and reached the conclusion that at least chemically they are identicle (aside from some possible minor impurities, which may not even exist), the polymorphism of DMT means there can be pure white and pure yellow crystals (though this is debated as well) http://www.researchgate.net/publication/236647236_Investigations_into_the_polymorphic_properties_of_NN-dimethyltryptamine_by_X-ray_diffraction_and_differential_scanning_calorimetry
If you guys don't argree, I challenge you all to obtain yellow crystals, and clear crystals, and give them to the same subject during repeated tests, ask the subject to guess if the sample he smoked was yellow or clear, trust me, the subject can never tell the difference.
If your getting a "goo" it means you didn't remove plant lipids well enough (defat) or that your sample is contaminated with NMT or extraction by products. I'm sure it still works.
-E. Borodin
Edited by Coincidentiaoppositorum (06/06/15 08:45 AM)
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Quote:
Bill_Oreilly said: See, I don't get goo, but instead I get this red type of waxy booger-like consistency.
Has anyone smoked this red waxy sticky stuff? if so, whats the deal with it?
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1115
-E. Borodin
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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If you use xylene as a solvent your DMT can turn red.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=11715
I think this page is important for the people here to read before assuming that your color of crystals really matters.
-E. Borodin
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People also forget that there is DMT-freebase, DMT-hydrochloride, DMT-tartrate, DMT--fumerate, etc... each with subtle unique properties in appearence, texture, smell.
-E. Borodin
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