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thehoff117
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Oh and as far as reusing naptha goes, I reused the same naptha for the second pull and used new naptha, that i cleaned once with tap water, for the third pull in equal amounts (150 mL).
The tek i followed said that naptha should be re used because it will be easier to saturate with DMT.
Ironically, The naptha that i reused had a very weak yield, and the naptha i cleaned and pulled with had my best room temp yield so far (the .35)
This led me to a few conclusions: A.) the fact that i cleaned the second round of naptha led to a larger yield and quite beautiful mm-2mm yellow crystals B.) i didnt utilize my double boiler well enough for my reused naptha. (not getting the solution warm enough to super saturate) or C.) reusing naptha has no effect on yield and only an effect on ones wallet. But naptha is so cheap i could care less about using fresh naptha.
If anyone can help me get to the bottom of this, it would be greatly appreciated. I have a basic-slightly advanced understanding of chemistry, and a deep love and respect for the sciences involved and would love to become an expert on this and all other aspects of chemistry.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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daytripper05 said: It's really not a hard requirement, I've done it both ways and it turned out fine. I notice with more liquid the more crystal precip out and float in the liquid vs. sticking to the dish. If reusing solvent because of the cost then you don't have to pre-evap. Naptha is pretty cheap where I am so cost isn't an issue so I like to pre-evap at least 50% by volume.
In the future I am going to play around with different techniques to try to grow bigger crystals.
For large crystals: Do a full evaporation on your dmt saturated naptha without a fan, meaning put it in a pyrex dish (not too wide or deep you want the solvent fairrly pooled and not spread out, then wait as long as it takes for every last drop of the naptha to air evaporate, then you are left with the largest crystals.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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As for who ever made the comment about yellow VS. White crystals, ive been playing around with this for a long time, first there is DMT polymorphism ( http://www.researchgate.net/publication/236647236_Investigations_into_the_polymorphic_properties_of_NN-dimethyltryptamine_by_X-ray_diffraction_and_differential_scanning_calorimetry ) which is speculated to affect not only DMTs highly variable melting points but also the color of the crystals.....so while yellow DMT can be a result of impurities, there is a polymorph of DMT which is yellow. So color CAN matter but in most cases DOES NOT....keep in mind sodium hydroxide is a white crystalline, so even the clear crystals can be impure.
...so while the yellow crystals are seen as inferior, in reality they are likley to be of equal purity to the clear crystals, perhaps SLIGHTLY less pure, but these slight impurities should not affect the drugs subjective effects....or perhaps due to polymorphism there are forms of pure DMT that are both yellow and clear...polymorpjism also explains the variation in melting points of pure DMT...
As for the experiance goes: Ive never smoked goo. I'm guessing that it may not turn to vapor (smoke) near as well, meaning that it may be hard to deliver sufficing ammounts of DMT to the lungs due to insufficient burning and contaminants, and though I'm sure it would still work, you may need higher doses or multiple hits...
And the yellow crystals smoked at 150mgs are indistinguishable in effect from the clear crystals smoked at 150mgs..
...I would be Willing to bet if you blind-folded a subject and had him sample yellow DMT then clear DMT, then asked was sample-a clear or yellow and was sample-b clear or yellow, the subject would be unable to distinguish any difference between the two....
These are just my oppinions though, and there are people out there who don't argree, I hear "then why do my crystals go from yellow to clear during purification?...my answer would be aside from removing impieties the process is also converting the DMT from one polymorph to another. The issue is still up for debate, but as far as the actual experiance goes, I cant tell the difference between yellow and clear crystals, and the people who feel they can are likley experiancing something psychosomatic induced by their expectations that "clear crystals are better"
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daytripper05
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For me, the yellow oily crystal, goo, and the shiny pure white crystal all give consistently different experiences. The body load on the goo literally feels like gravity has been amplified 20x. Like I feel like I weigh a ton vs my normal weight. The yellow goo still has that body load but is definitely more intense. The pure white crystal is the most intense by volume. I can take the same size hits and go way further on the white crystal. Totally anecdotal without a GC/MS test, but I am under the impression the alkaloid content is quite different. The oily yellow stuff tastes a lot worse too. The clear crystal is quite pleasant, whereas the goo tastes like melted rubber.
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thehoff117
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Coincidentiaoppositorum said: As for the experiance goes: Ive never smoked goo. I'm guessing that it may not turn to vapor (smoke) near as well, meaning that it may be hard to deliver sufficing ammounts of DMT to the lungs due to insufficient burning and contaminants, and though I'm sure it would still work, you may need higher doses or multiple hits...
Interestingly enough, my almost completely clear goo hit way harder than my yellow crystals. tried to take a second hit and got frozen in the act.
Also, it vapes just as well, if not better than the crystals, and the only "contaminants" in the goo, if you don't screw up extracting, would be NMT and various other alkaloids and plant fats/oils found naturally in ACRB. Which don't seem to weaken effects, if anything, they seem to enhance them.
I now have some more yellow goo, and will be testing it in the same amount as the clear goo to differentiate effects.
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daytripper05
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I agree. The goo vaporizes pretty much the same as the crystal. It's just like hitting a dab of hash oil or something. If you have a dab rig + silicon dab containers, it's easy to handle and consume. I just don't like the taste very much. Really makes me want to puke after a few hits. The white crystal takes pretty good though.
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Supachopped719
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After reading through this thread and many others regarding this GOO, I've come to the conclusion that DMT is so different for everybody that it's almost worthless to try and document effects of different varieties. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on each different form whether it's goo or crystal or yellow crystal or red goo or what ever you have. No one has described the effects they have on my body or mind yet. I was gonna post how it effects me but then realized it wouldn't really matter.
DMT is one of those magical things where it's so personal and subjective and anything is possible. I love reading about all your effects though.
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TheGreenArrow
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Well I personally enjoy the yellow crystals the best. For whatever reason it always felt so loving and kind once I'm in hyperspace.
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I throw away my goo. You guys should dissolve a little bit into hot naphtha and then ph test it
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Bill_Oreilly
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See, I don't get goo, but instead I get this red type of waxy booger-like consistency.
Has anyone smoked this red waxy sticky stuff? if so, whats the deal with it?
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Supachopped719
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I think that's just dried up goo. All my goo turns into that red waxy stuff eventually.
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My first pulls with mhrb before I really knew what I was doing I always came out with this. I would spounge it up with a nug and light up. Kinda miss the jungle too had more "insanity" to it to me. Now I can't recreate it if I tried weird how that works.
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thehoff117
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Supachopped719 said: After reading through this thread and many others regarding this GOO, I've come to the conclusion that DMT is so different for everybody that it's almost worthless to try and document effects of different varieties. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on each different form whether it's goo or crystal or yellow crystal or red goo or what ever you have. No one has described the effects they have on my body or mind yet. I was gonna post how it effects me but then realized it wouldn't really matter.
DMT is one of those magical things where it's so personal and subjective and anything is possible. I love reading about all your effects though.
Actually came to this same conclusion recently. I believe this chemical will take you wherever YOU specifically need to go. But it will only take you there at the PRECISE moment you are ready to go there
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thehoff117 said:
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Supachopped719 said: After reading through this thread and many others regarding this GOO, I've come to the conclusion that DMT is so different for everybody that it's almost worthless to try and document effects of different varieties. Everyone seems to have a different opinion on each different form whether it's goo or crystal or yellow crystal or red goo or what ever you have. No one has described the effects they have on my body or mind yet. I was gonna post how it effects me but then realized it wouldn't really matter.
DMT is one of those magical things where it's so personal and subjective and anything is possible. I love reading about all your effects though.
Actually came to this same conclusion recently. I believe this chemical will take you wherever YOU specifically need to go. But it will only take you there at the PRECISE moment you are ready to go there
Also, if you look on Dmt-nexus they have a sticky thread about goo and that its totally good for use and everything.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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This is a GC/MS of an MeOH soak of ACRB, the only alkaloids your going to get is DMT and NMT, maybe some trace beta-carbolines, but that's it. So its not an issue of alkaloids variation
Ive never smoked goo so I cant say, as for freebase yellow crystals and freebase white crystals I'm of the oppinion that they are indistinguishable, ive debated this for hours on the nexus, and reached the conclusion that at least chemically they are identicle (aside from some possible minor impurities, which may not even exist), the polymorphism of DMT means there can be pure white and pure yellow crystals (though this is debated as well) http://www.researchgate.net/publication/236647236_Investigations_into_the_polymorphic_properties_of_NN-dimethyltryptamine_by_X-ray_diffraction_and_differential_scanning_calorimetry
If you guys don't argree, I challenge you all to obtain yellow crystals, and clear crystals, and give them to the same subject during repeated tests, ask the subject to guess if the sample he smoked was yellow or clear, trust me, the subject can never tell the difference.
If your getting a "goo" it means you didn't remove plant lipids well enough (defat) or that your sample is contaminated with NMT or extraction by products. I'm sure it still works.
-E. Borodin
Edited by Coincidentiaoppositorum (06/06/15 08:45 AM)
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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Bill_Oreilly said: See, I don't get goo, but instead I get this red type of waxy booger-like consistency.
Has anyone smoked this red waxy sticky stuff? if so, whats the deal with it?
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/Default.aspx?g=posts&t=1115
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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If you use xylene as a solvent your DMT can turn red.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=11715
I think this page is important for the people here to read before assuming that your color of crystals really matters.
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Coincidentiaoppositorum
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People also forget that there is DMT-freebase, DMT-hydrochloride, DMT-tartrate, DMT--fumerate, etc... each with subtle unique properties in appearence, texture, smell.
-E. Borodin
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