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thehoff117
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I read a tek on the nexus that said to let your naptha solution precipitate at room temp for 12 hours, remove crystals and then freeze precipitate till clear.
The logic being that dmt begins to precipitate at a higer temp than nmt and the other oils.
The goo is largely a result of high nmt content, so without this, the resulting product should be crystaline.
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thehoff117 said: I read a tek on the nexus that said to let your naptha solution precipitate at room temp for 12 hours, remove crystals and then freeze precipitate till clear.
The logic being that dmt begins to precipitate at a higer temp than nmt and the other oils.
The goo is largely a result of high nmt content, so without this, the resulting product should be crystaline.
Crytsals aren't going to precip in 12 hours unless you maybe have 100ml or less of nap. Pre-evap some nap.. crash the dmt with a freeze precip... clean up with a re-x.
If you don't re-x you're smoking on some garbage you don't want to be combusting
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thehoff117
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Honestly I have never even done an extraction, I was just sharing the wisdom of others, more experienced than myself.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=44251
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take the jar of the DMT saturated naphtha and put it into a dark cool area (thats right no freeze precipitation) if you did it right once your jar starts to cool down it will turn milky white wait 12 hours and when you come back youl see that the naphtha is now clear and in the bottom of the jar there is a lot of crystals waiting for you usually 2-4 grams per pull.
Guy seems to know his stuff, and from further research i've done as to how to make beautiful, solid crystal rocks, I have learned that If you allow your naptha/heptane solution to cool very slowly during re-x, over a day or 2, you can yield results like these:
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=6683
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thehoff117
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I will actually be doing that extraction tek in a day or 2. If anyone is interested to see the results, I will post a thread.
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take the jar of the DMT saturated naphtha and put it into a dark cool area (thats right no freeze precipitation) if you did it right once your jar starts to cool down it will turn milky white wait 12 hours and when you come back youl see that the naphtha is now clear and in the bottom of the jar there is a lot of crystals waiting for you usually 2-4 grams per pull.
Getting the dmt out of the naphtha just do a freeze precip and then a slow evap with the re-x. I still don't buy the 12 hours to xtals claim and getting a 2-4 g yield your volume of naphtha would be way too high to room temp precip in 12 hours.. it might take 12 hours just to do a pre-evap to a workable volume.
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Guy seems to know his stuff, and from further research i've done as to how to make beautiful, solid crystal rocks, I have learned that If you allow your naptha/heptane solution to cool very slowly during re-x, over a day or 2, you can yield results like these:
Like these?
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thehoff117
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In case anyone was wondering, i ran my extraction (quite successfully for a first timer, thought for sure i screwed it up.)
Did a quarter recipe of that tech i posted. I used 200 mL of naptha and the jar has been sitting at room temp in darkness for around 7 hours and a beautiful, snow white layer of crystals has formed at the bottom.
Given the lack of color to the x-tals, I'd say room temp precipitation yields a very pure product, and will always do so prior to freeze precip.
It's nice because it eliminates the need to re-x.
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thehoff117 said: In case anyone was wondering, i ran my extraction (quite successfully for a first timer, thought for sure i screwed it up.)
Did a quarter recipe of that tech i posted. I used 200 mL of naptha and the jar has been sitting at room temp in darkness for around 7 hours and a beautiful, snow white layer of crystals has formed at the bottom.
Given the lack of color to the x-tals, I'd say room temp precipitation yields a very pure product, and will always do so prior to freeze precip.
It's nice because it eliminates the need to re-x.
Nice! I'll definitely try that out next time around. Thanks for the update
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thehoff117 said: Given the lack of color to the x-tals, I'd say room temp precipitation yields a very pure product, and will always do so prior to freeze precip.
It's nice because it eliminates the need to re-x.
How so?
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yeah I don't understand how a room-temp evap before the freeze prec. makes for better results.
why nit just freeze prec. right away?
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Think about, the oils will definitely have an easier time precipitating in the freezer rather than at room temp where as the crystals can still precipitate at room temp.
That's my logic at least
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acapuchinu said: Think about, the oils will definitely have an easier time precipitating in the freezer rather than at room temp where as the crystals can still precipitate at room temp.
That's my logic at least
I thought room temperature precipitation was only possible in overly saturated solvent....
I mean using thicklights ACRB Tek, sure, before I throw the naptha in the freezer a good deal of DMT precipitates out, so I pour the naptha into a new container, and collect the crop that precipitated out of my original jar. Then I either evaporate the solvent or freeze precipitate out the remaining DMT, then I combine my crops and recrystalize
.....but I thought that the only reason why any DMT precipitated out of the solvent pre-freezing was simply due to over saturation....and that you still must freeze precipitate or evaporate the solvent to retrieve the entire crop.
If your using naptha, DMT is insoluble in cold naptha while very soluble in hot naptha, which is why the freeze precipitation works....
...just my thoughts, if I'm misunderstanding what you were saying please correct me....
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Some people prefer the goo.
If it was me Id be doing a mini A/B on the goo cuz I prefer crystals for smoking, dosing, and storage.
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acapuchinu said: Think about, the oils will definitely have an easier time precipitating in the freezer rather than at room temp where as the crystals can still precipitate at room temp.
That's my logic at least
I thought room temperature precipitation was only possible in overly saturated solvent....
I mean using thicklights ACRB Tek, sure, before I throw the naptha in the freezer a good deal of DMT precipitates out, so I pour the naptha into a new container, and collect the crop that precipitated out of my original jar. Then I either evaporate the solvent or freeze precipitate out the remaining DMT, then I combine my crops and recrystalize
.....but I thought that the only reason why any DMT precipitated out of the solvent pre-freezing was simply due to over saturation....and that you still must freeze precipitate or evaporate the solvent to retrieve the entire crop.
If your using naptha, DMT is insoluble in cold naptha while very soluble in hot naptha, which is why the freeze precipitation works....
...just my thoughts, if I'm misunderstanding what you were saying please correct me....
-E. Borodin
This is correct. You would have to use dry ice or something else to get it extremely cold to get the other stuff to precipitate out of the naptha. If I take my take dirty yellow naptha with all the fats and oils and free precipitate it, I get a lot of goo and some yellow oily crystal. When I pour off the naptha, it's still just as yellow as it was previously so obviously there is still stuff inside it that didn't precipitate out.
It's for this reason you should do a mini A/B on dirty yellow naptha or you are going to have to do a couple re-x's to get a good clean crystal. The yellow oily crystal is still a lot of fun though. I vaped 100mg of the yellow crystal with some friends among with another 100-200mg of pure white crystal. I actually recommend people try both types and see which they like best.
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so should I pre-evap by a fan before I put the naptha in the freezer? or should I just stick in the freezer right away?
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It's really not a hard requirement, I've done it both ways and it turned out fine. I notice with more liquid the more crystal precip out and float in the liquid vs. sticking to the dish. If reusing solvent because of the cost then you don't have to pre-evap. Naptha is pretty cheap where I am so cost isn't an issue so I like to pre-evap at least 50% by volume.
In the future I am going to play around with different techniques to try to grow bigger crystals.
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daytripper05 said: It's really not a hard requirement, I've done it both ways and it turned out fine. I notice with more liquid the more crystal precip out and float in the liquid vs. sticking to the dish. If reusing solvent because of the cost then you don't have to pre-evap. Naptha is pretty cheap where I am so cost isn't an issue so I like to pre-evap at least 50% by volume.
In the future I am going to play around with different techniques to try to grow bigger crystals.
So right when your naptha gets on the dish...you stick it by a cool fan for...how long?
I think I remember you saying 4 hours or so?
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Well for how long depends on how much liquid you have and the temperature in your room. Last time I did it, I ran the fan over the dish blowing towards a window and within a couple hours I had the volume to an acceptable level. 2-4 hours I would say depending on these conditions.
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Bill_Oreilly
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lets say 150ml in a 75 degree room
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daytripper05
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Probably an hour or two. Just go by volume visually, not the length of time.
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thehoff117
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Well i know i said the crystals were white, but they turned dmt yellow when i took them out. Yeilded .35 at room temp on the 3rd pull. Afterwards, i freeze precipitate and end up with a translucent yellow goo.
Now I've tried 3 methods of smoking the crystals, homemade crack pipe, foil gb thing and dabbing it on a quartz nail and could never get it to hit me as hard as the goo. i took 3 dabs of crystal, probably a total of .08 and just barely broke threshold, got that odd ringing noise in my ear, lack of motor skills and mild OEVs and CEVs.
On the other hand, when i dabbed a .03-.05 glob of goo, I almost broke through. The entire room began melting in front of me, I literally could not move and when i tried to talk all i could manage were strange broken up words saying "dabbing this is the way to go". The effects came on so hard and fast, that i could feel it after holding the vapor for 5 seconds. Terrifying beauty is how i describe that experience.
Now i haven't researched NMT much, but i know it is one of the main causes of yielding goo from acrb instead of crystals. Personally, I prefer the goo as NMT seems to enhance the effect of DMT, or perhaps the naturally occurring MAOIs in ACRB had more to do with this.
Can anyone shed some light on this?
I imagine if you wanted a more crystaline product from your acrb, you could super saturate your naptha, precipitate for about 12 hours or until naptha is transparent, collect crystals, then re-super saturate the solvent and continue in this manner until no DMT will precipitate at room temp
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