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daytripper05
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The goo has other active alkaloids, like N-Methyltryptamine which can have quite desirable effects. Goo can make changa have a different feel to it. It's nice to have different changa blends for different moods and people. It's not a "one size fits all" world.
DMT Fumerate is much more stable than DMT freebase and less prone to oxidation. DMT Fumerate is an acidic salt and is soluble in water. DMT Freebase is not water soluble. So when you orally ingest DMT fumerate, it's easier for the body to digest and absorb since it's already water soluble. There is no need for the body to convert so it's much more bioavailability than DMT freebase, at least from everything I have read. I know DMT freebase works orally too, but DMT fumerate would be the way to go if you were planning ahead of time to take DMT orally.
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twotoejoe said: Hope all is well with everyone. enjoy the pic!

An extraction was done following thick light's tek. Experimenting with each pull. One so far is recrystallizing, another after pulling was redissolved into fresh naptha (more yellowish), the last little bit was just what came out of the room temp drop out which cooled about 25min (brownish orange). Only been experimenting with half of my ACRB concentrate. Can never get crystals to stay crystals though even though that's what the Tek always describes(just not fast enough?), but one does realize that one is not removing all the impurities that can be with a wash. No matter its the goo that's the goal! Might do a wash on the second half of the concentrate.
Does anyone elses goo ever come out brown like that? had it before smokes great just a huge body load.
I use cybs atb hybrid salt Tek, but have looked over thicklights several times, it seems simpler than cybs.
What would you recomend?
Is the thicklight Tek preferable to cybs?
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daytripper05
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I recommend you use Earthwalker's tech, which is a specific ACRB modified tek based on Cyb's ATB tek. It's all about the mini A/B for the defat and cleanup.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
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daytripper05 said: I recommend you use Earthwalker's tech, which is a specific ACRB modified tek based on Cyb's ATB tek. It's all about the mini A/B for the defat and cleanup.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
thank you!
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daytripper05
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I will say though, that I am not recommending against using other teks. This is just what worked best for me in regards to ACRB. If I was using MHRB, I probably wouldn't mess with the mini A/B and would go straight to freeze precipitating.
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I love whatever I pull. Goo or crystals, it's usually crystal heavy pulls for the first couple the. Turns more gooey as I keep pulling.
No re-X for me. Just smoke both. Sometimes I mix them.
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Re: ACRB Goo [Re: Elff]
#21701894 - 05/20/15 10:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Worst of luck ran out of naptha yesterday working on another other pull. So its to the store to get some more then Re-X the yields.
While doing pulls does anyone ever get crystals form in solution? Like literally sitting on top of the plant mush? I was able to get them with my dropper in tact. But they still turn into goo .
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twotoejoe
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daytripper05 said: I recommend you use Earthwalker's tech, which is a specific ACRB modified tek based on Cyb's ATB tek. It's all about the mini A/B for the defat and cleanup.
https://www.dmt-nexus.me/forum/default.aspx?g=posts&t=58064
All about the defat and the cleanup. I'm just looking at the illustrations as I have that link saved as well. I guess it was just me wanting goo that prompted my decision to use thicklights.But after having smoked yesterday I want less of the body load because I can never breakthrough cause I find it hard to move lol.
Nice though 
Curious though. When it comes to scraping the goo how do you all manage to get everything off? Literally scrapping away and can just see residue I am missing. I was thinking of putting the pyrex in a warm bath to see if I could get the goo to be more manageable? Or should I just put in some naptha dissolve it and add it to the other bunch that I plan to A/B?
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Honestly I haven't much of a problem with scrapping it at all. I know there is a margin of loss, but it's pretty negligible. I just have a big pack of razor blades, the small rectangle ones. I also bought specific sized pyrex dishes with sides that are easier to scrape. The dish itself is smaller than the ones I use for cooking so there is less surface area, but plenty area to grow crystals. My dishes are square, not rectangle so I feel like that helps.
I also have years of experience scrapping hash oil extractions so I feel like I have some practice at making the most out of my razor blades. But I have done exactly as you mentioned before. Just take warm naptha and dissolve any left over oil in the pan. You could dissolve what's on your razor blades too.
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daytripper05 said: Honestly I haven't much of a problem with scrapping it at all. I know there is a margin of loss, but it's pretty negligible. I just have a big pack of razor blades, the small rectangle ones. I also bought specific sized pyrex dishes with sides that are easier to scrape. The dish itself is smaller than the ones I use for cooking so there is less surface area, but plenty area to grow crystals. My dishes are square, not rectangle so I feel like that helps.
I also have years of experience scrapping hash oil extractions so I feel like I have some practice at making the most out of my razor blades. But I have done exactly as you mentioned before. Just take warm naptha and dissolve any left over oil in the pan. You could dissolve what's on your razor blades too.
Thanks never thought about getting painter razor blades. Or the rectangular ones whichever you prefer to call them. Just reupped on some naptha. Boiling some water to get this party started.

MMMM hash oil
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when it comes to doing this mini A/B do I want to get the left over fat that is still in the solution?
"You will notice there seems to be a white fatty layer between the water and new solvent , this is normal ! It is a mix of dmt particles and mostly of fat that seems to still make it through the Backsalting stage"
I am referring to the fat layer that is mixed with DMT particles that may be in excess after the A/B
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Do not suck up the fat. Just keep doing your pulls and the consistency of the fat seems to change. Almost as if DMT the is coming out of it more and more with each pull. I didn't suck up any of this fat and I got over 2% yield.
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daytripper05 said: Do not suck up the fat. Just keep doing your pulls and the consistency of the fat seems to change. Almost as if DMT the is coming out of it more and more with each pull. I didn't suck up any of this fat and I got over 2% yield.
Thanks daytripper!
really appreciate the mentoring.
getting this goo to redissolve is a bitch though. My dumbass for some reason felt I should put my goo in a small shot glass to dissolve. Boy was that a mistake I should have just put it into my vessel that had the naptha in it for boiling. Oh well
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so glad I made two batches of concentrate. This next batch I will just be following Earthwalker's.
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daytripper05
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Post pics once you get it all finished, would be interested to see how it all turns out.
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I will!
Should I expect room temp precipatation? or should I just go ahead and freeze precipitate once I am through?
I will take pictures of the bowl once this first pull is through
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Definitely freeze precipitate for 24hrs+. Then drain off the naptha through a coffee filter to collect the crystals that don't stick to the bottom of the pan.
Your pulls should be crystal clear, perhaps a hint of cloudiness the first couple pulls. Be careful not to suck up the water. It's really hard to tell since both liquids are clear.
Next time I do an extraction I am going to freeze precip once then re-x and let the naptha evaporate to get bigger crystals...just for fun, because why not right?
Good video with some stuff about recrystalization. http://ocw.mit.edu/resources/res-5-0001-digital-lab-techniques-manual-spring-2007/videos/recrystallization/
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So far it is exactly how it should be on my last pull right now. Solution has gone nearly clear. All my pulls were clear until I put them under my cooling fan then there was definitely some cloudiness to the solvent.
Thanks for the video man !
Upon doing this pull I found out I need a new respirator too. Keep gettin whiffs of the naptha.
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daytripper05 said: I will say though, that I am not recommending against using other teks. This is just what worked best for me in regards to ACRB. If I was using MHRB, I probably wouldn't mess with the mini A/B and would go straight to freeze precipitating.
When I use MHRB ive actually been performing a slightly less lazy version of the "lazy mans Tek", though I modified it, its still very basic, but still performs just fine.
ACRB is another story (has anybody tried lazy mans TEK with ACRB? Would it fail without the defat step?) Ive been using cybs Tek, but want something a bit more simple, thicklights looked great, as did the one you recommended, though I will admit I have yet to practice either Tek, but I'm considering either your recommendation or thicklights for my next extract.
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twotoejoe said:
Does anyone elses goo ever come out brown like that? had it before smokes great just a huge body load.
Do a defat and sodium carb wash
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