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A man earns his dignity through his work
#21698163 - 05/19/15 12:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Agree or disagree?
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: fireworks_god]
#21698257 - 05/19/15 12:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I do agree but there are many ways of earning dignity.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: Matt87]
#21698320 - 05/19/15 01:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Depends what you do for "work"
I never felt dignity in washing dishes at a restaurant.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: Big Worm]
#21698478 - 05/19/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What up big perm? Do you get that a lot? Lol.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: Big Worm]
#21701327 - 05/20/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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HA, I used to wash dishes in a restaurant too. I have never really minded monotonous jobs though. Somebody's gotta do it. I think dignity is part of a person's character though, in which case: If a person's work build's their character, then I suppose it builds their dignity too.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: secondorder]
#21701361 - 05/20/15 07:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Depends on the man i suppose. And also where he finds dignity, from others or himself? I have seen many friend up on high horses upon new employment, only months later they tire of the monotany and complain about their once loved jobs.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: fireworks_god]
#21701382 - 05/20/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Disagree.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: LunarEclipse]
#21701837 - 05/20/15 10:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pride and dignity same thing, only differance is that pride sometimes overlaps and wins.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: Arenis]
#21702080 - 05/20/15 11:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Like dignity is lost when a man loses his job, because he is used to meeting public standards of dress. Therefore dignity is a learned behavior that we become used to after years of work; so yes I agree that a man earns his dignity thru his work.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: Arenis]
#21702091 - 05/20/15 11:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Arenis said: Pride and dignity same thing, only differance is that pride sometimes overlaps and wins.
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I think this is a pretty good point. I agree, and therefore disagree. I would say that one man could earn dignity through his work, while another may not. I'm always leery of defining someone by how they make their money. Most of the time, I feel the correlation is somewhat spurious.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: DividedQuantum] 1
#21704268 - 05/20/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Totally disagree. Dignity comes up when he/she cares about the other human being, animals and our planet.
Work has nothing to do with this, so a person who is disable wouldnt be one by default?
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: Thaj]
#21704539 - 05/20/15 10:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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How does work have nothing to do with caring for people or the planet? What about doctors, paramedics, conservationists, etc.?
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: White Beard]
#21704580 - 05/20/15 10:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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White Beard said: How does work have nothing to do with caring for people or the planet? What about doctors, paramedics, conservationists, etc.?
I am talking in overall terms but we can list tons of jobs where people are priority unlike bankers and others job related to capitalism/exploitation.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: Thaj]
#21705488 - 05/21/15 07:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Disagree.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: fireworks_god]
#21705705 - 05/21/15 09:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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To me dignity is a loaded term because it usually indicates the idea of self-respect within a certain circumstance - demonstrating one's self-respect socially, in how one acts and reacts to certain social situations.
And, for me at least, I think the idea that expressing one's self-respect to others has a pretty dubious underlying motivation. How often does one find oneself at the foot of a bridge, a giant troll standing before you, arms crossed and insisting that you shall not pass unless you prove you have self-respect. Okay, so there was this one time...
Anyways, I think self-respect is something self-generated, strictly for oneself, by oneself. To actually respect each and every aspect of your entire being is a wonderful gift to offer oneself. 
Activity, work, art — three words which mean precisely the same thing, are definitely cornerstones of generating self-respect, since taking action is an integral and obligatory aspect of living a life.
Self-respect itself simply emanates in one's actions, in one's behavior, in one's emotional and perceptual experience of reality. Displaying one's dignity, I think, is to do unto oneself a great indignity.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: fireworks_god]
#21706647 - 05/21/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I displayed my dignity in public and it wasn't good.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: LunarEclipse]
#21706789 - 05/21/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Is this the human giggity thread?
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: fireworks_god]
#21707098 - 05/21/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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As June approaches, it will be 2 years since I lost my position as TRUST Specialist (crisis intervention, individual/group/family/substance abuse counselor) in the nation's 4th largest school system. I enjoyed my position for 27 years before funding was dropped, and I could either become a middle school science teacher for the first time at age 60 in an inner-city school or resign. I resigned. I had the unique opportunity to practice Compassion for a living, and so my job was a form of secular ministry which satisfied the bodhisattva-nature in me.
Purpose or meaning has both vertical and horizontal aspects. The vertical is a matter between you and God (Pure Being). The horizontal domain has to do with relating to other sentient beings. I must admit that I have often felt lost in terms of purpose since retirement began. For the first few months I was in a blind panic to find new employment, but I discovered ageism, and nobody contacted me on numerous search engines. I had 30 years of experience and a Ph.D., and companies wanted to pay for a Masters level applicant in my field with 2 years of experience - clearly not a 60 year old. I realized that we could live on my pension without drawing on my 403(B) or investment portfolio (so far). So, now I am back to a primarily vertical relationship as I was when I was still a philosophy undergrad or a seminarian, before the rigors of grad school and career-building.
I do not think it so much a matter of dignity as purpose. As for pride, that is the #1 'cardinal sin' in Catholicism. I have never been prideful, whereas I can be confident in areas of experience and expertise, I have never thought of myself as "the shit," "the bee's knees," "the cat's meow," or any other saying that says I am "all that." I am more aware of those who far exceed me in spiritual matters as well as in financial success than those who are less blessed, and that awareness has always kept me relatively humble. It was humbling to lose the job I enjoyed, but it would've killed me, literally, to assume the level of stress that such a radical demotion would've caused. My dignity is a function of my personal integrity, my honesty, my intentionality to do good here on The Shroomery no less than in a professional and paid capacity.
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MarkostheGnostic said: My dignity is a function of my personal integrity, my honesty, my intentionality to do good here on The Shroomery no less than in a professional and paid capacity.
As was the thrust of my "personal worth" thread, I think this is the most appropriate comment one can make.
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Re: A man earns his dignity through his work [Re: DividedQuantum]
#21707570 - 05/21/15 07:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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DividedQuantum said:
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MarkostheGnostic said: My dignity is a function of my personal integrity, my honesty, my intentionality to do good here on The Shroomery no less than in a professional and paid capacity.
As was the thrust of my "personal worth" thread, I think this is the most appropriate comment one can make.
D.Q.
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