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Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work?
    #21697810 - 05/19/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What are some ways I can sterilize (mass) amounts of substrate without buying a bunch of new jars?


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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: blackflag856]
    #21697821 - 05/19/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have used foil pans in the past with good success for this exact same reason.


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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: Jeff Vader]
    #21697867 - 05/19/15 10:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Autoclave bags. I can run over 65Lbs of substrate through both my AA930 & AA921 in one session. 10 bags at about 6.5lbs each, 6 in the 930 and 4 in the 921. This is what I do for sawdust bags for growing gourmets, but you could easily do they same with coir\poo etc.



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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: Jeff Vader]
    #21697976 - 05/19/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I have used foil pans in the past with good success for this exact same reason.



Foil pans with what kind of lids? How do you do this


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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: blackflag856]
    #21698084 - 05/19/15 11:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

what type of substrate you talking? bulk? spawn?


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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: cronicr]
    #21698194 - 05/19/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

For spawn, use bags. For bulk subs, pasteurize.


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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21698507 - 05/19/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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For spawn, use bags. For bulk subs, pasteurize.



I'm not sure this answered the question that he asked? He asked how to sterilize lots of substrate. Bulk can be sterilized and inoculated in open air, if its ONLY just coir & verm:
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19178683
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19638926#19638926
https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/19636583#19636583

If you are using anything else like Hpoo as bulk and spawning in open air then yes you need to pasteurize.


You can also sterilize ANY bulk mix in large bags, knock up aseptically(flowhood\SAB), and break them up and dump them in tubs once they are colonized, then case. The process of cooking the sub at the higher sterilization temperature breaks down the substrate more and makes the nutrients more available to the mushrooms than pasteurizing. Like cooking food does for humans. RR has said something along these lines a few times(added the quote above). There is also some research backing this up done with other species ie. Calocybe Indica, that indicated that a sterilized substrate gave better yields over different methods of prep such as heat pasteurization and cold pasteurization with lime or wood ash. Probably holds true for cubes as well, but I don't think there is any research done with that for cubes.

Sterilizing is faster than heat pasteurizing also, at least the cook time is. You still have to wait for the sub to cool down so either way you're not using the sub until the next day. It is also more efficient to sterilize. The PC\sterilizer only has to have the heat on high until it hits the desired pressure, then you back the heat down to nearly off to maintain pressure. It takes a fuckload longer to bring a large bag in a pasteurization bath up to 120 degrees in the center while the heat is on high.

Doing bulk this way can allow you to have bags of colonized bulk "on deck" when your tubs are all full and fruiting. The minute you pitch a tub, clean it and refill it with a crumbled colonized bag and case it.
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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: Juiceh]
    #21699073 - 05/19/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sterilization isn't as reliable as pasteurization. It just isn't, I've tried. It may be more efficient if youre doing 2-3 tubs, but I can fill many, many coolers with 4 tubs' worth of sub, dump water on it and come back the next day.


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i recommend common sense and figuring it out.

These are the TEKs I use. They're all as cheap and easy as possible, just like your mom.


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Re: Sterilzing mediums for a pc? pickle jars to foil pans... do they work? [Re: 36fuckin5]
    #21701853 - 05/20/15 10:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks!

I may be looking into other ways to delicate this huge colonized bag right now that's not casing, as my fc is already grilling!

I definitly need to do something with the rye bag, it's 100% white


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