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Icyus
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"Psychosis". is it real?
#21697429 - 05/19/15 07:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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YFrom my perspective, professionally speaking, it is not.
There is only ungroundedness-ignorance.
Please discuss?
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Icyus]
#21697990 - 05/19/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Icyus said: YFrom my perspective, professionally speaking, it is not.
There is only ungroundedness-ignorance.
Please discuss?
Ive had a "Psychotic" experience before brought on by drugs once in my life. I can honestly say to this day what I experienced has left a mark on me and the way I see reality. I kid you not its like its "Still true" so to speak.
Im not psychotic, I dont hear voices, I am firmly rooted in reality and capable of rational thought, hold two degrees, but that psychotic thing I experienced almost a decade ago is "Still there" so to speak. Like it still holds merit in the grand scheme of things when it comes to reality.
Therefore is it really psychosis? If a TRUE psychotic person is actually experiencing reality from a warped lens....is it false? Maybe in grounded existence we all share but to that person is it false? Or is he actually in that world.
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Theory: The paranoid schizophrenic is less harmful to society due to the illness; The paranoid schizophrenic is "entertained" in a manner that keeps them from harming others. Therefor schizophrenia is an effect of perhaps selfish thoughts of violence against others. But my experience in the phenomena is limited.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Icyus]
#21698271 - 05/19/15 12:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Well, gee, I was once committed for calling up a radio station and threatening to kill them all if they didn't stop broadcasting my thoughts. I guess my mystical brain-energies weren't right.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Le_Canard]
#21698366 - 05/19/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I love it when the tv talks to me.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Le_Canard]
#21698433 - 05/19/15 01:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes, there are different perspectives of what the future has in store for us. Different strokes for different gods, as it were.
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Indeed, indeed.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Le_Canard]
#21698702 - 05/19/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Tell me...Is the Fisher king's lameness directly related to Osiris's handicap?
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When I became psychotic on weed it was like the whole universe was draining me, everyone felt sorry me secretly, I was a total fuck up, I was some kind of 'special little guy'... it was sickening.
If that's what you mean by psychosis then yeah it's real, it's dopamine flushing into places it shouldn't.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: circastes]
#21702572 - 05/20/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I view psychosis as a subgenre of depression. Psychosis feels like a depression in which you are typically lonely, and your consciousness/thinking/psyche feels blurry. You feel far from 'clear' and yourself, again, a feeling of 'blurryness'. Typically these feelings make one lose sight of which day of the week it is, will cause you to postpone doing things, and you will have a hard time sticking to a regimen, You will stay inside, doing things like taking 3 showers a day, brushing your teeth 5 times a day, little habits that seem almost OCD like.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Suspector]
#21727357 - 05/27/15 03:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Almond Flour said:
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Icyus said: YFrom my perspective, professionally speaking, it is not.
There is only ungroundedness-ignorance.
Please discuss?
Ive had a "Psychotic" experience before brought on by drugs once in my life. I can honestly say to this day what I experienced has left a mark on me and the way I see reality. I kid you not its like its "Still true" so to speak.
Im not psychotic, I dont hear voices, I am firmly rooted in reality and capable of rational thought, hold two degrees, but that psychotic thing I experienced almost a decade ago is "Still there" so to speak. Like it still holds merit in the grand scheme of things when it comes to reality.
Therefore is it really psychosis? If a TRUE psychotic person is actually experiencing reality from a warped lens....is it false? Maybe in grounded existence we all share but to that person is it false? Or is he actually in that world.
Just experience I think. Phenomena! Empty and selfless, as did I apply this to everything in life.Quote:
Le_Canard said: Well, gee, I was once committed for calling up a radio station and threatening to kill them all if they didn't stop broadcasting my thoughts. I guess my mystical brain-energies weren't right.
You dont realise, your thoughts are allways being broadcasted, you cant do nothing about it, and if someone is capable of experiencing them, they wont judge, as they have been there themselves.
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circastes said: When I became psychotic on weed it was like the whole universe was draining me, everyone felt sorry me secretly, I was a total fuck up, I was some kind of 'special little guy'... it was sickening.
If that's what you mean by psychosis then yeah it's real, it's dopamine flushing into places it shouldn't.
M8, been there. It is called an auradissolution, often trigered by cannabinoids which renders energies to get inside you as there are holes in your energyfield. This is fixed by surrounding yourself in sort of a silverish thingy, which you may remember from smoking before, seeing it. Believe it or not, tobacco may help, used properly, to disspell unwanted energies.
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Suspector said: I view psychosis as a subgenre of depression. Psychosis feels like a depression in which you are typically lonely, and your consciousness/thinking/psyche feels blurry. You feel far from 'clear' and yourself, again, a feeling of 'blurryness'. Typically these feelings make one lose sight of which day of the week it is, will cause you to postpone doing things, and you will have a hard time sticking to a regimen, You will stay inside, doing things like taking 3 showers a day, brushing your teeth 5 times a day, little habits that seem almost OCD like.
M8, I never lost myself like that, never, and I probably should have. 7 just would be totired to bother, to do and to think excessively.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Icyus]
#21727416 - 05/27/15 04:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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once you have been psychotic its hard to see reality the same again...
the syncronicitys and connectivity of unseeming things that you have no tangible way of explaining or describing with the known lexicon at hand, the symbiosis or relationship between all creation rolled into to state of hightened senses and state of mind that bounce from euphoria to dread... and time is going in circles but ever decreasing circles building up a pressure head, repeating in circles but each cycle shorter and closer - leaving you waiting for the inevitible burst!!
all while the total loss of personalisation leads one to question who AM I? AND WHO IS WHO?
dip this in a dream like hallucination and a mind tinged with paranoia then wrap up the whole lot with the worst case of mind fuck ever!!
alot like a big dose of shrooms(in the mind) but that goes deeper and deeper and can last months at a time
its like being in a dream within a dream but tripping too.
or a being in a dream of a stranger that is within a k-hole- they are the author and you are along for the ride waiting for the author to wake from the dream in the k-hole to stop the dream withing that dream.
psycosis is very real if we are talking from the human perspective!!!
the reality we have/see is derived from our own perceptions, prescibed to us by our own senses!! this is true even if you are sane.
a mad mans reality can not be proved or said to be any more true or false. even the sane only have the limited capability to view real 'reality'. all versions are just a glimpse of truth and ONLY an interpretation of our own human perceptions through the looking glass that is the 5 senses.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Icyus] 2
#21727510 - 05/27/15 06:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Since you are talking in absolutes, so will I.
You have the Waking Consciousness You have the Dreaming Consciousness Psychosis is a mixed state between these two.
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Asante]
#21730185 - 05/27/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asante said: Since you are talking in absolutes, so will I.
You have the Waking Consciousness You have the Dreaming Consciousness Psychosis is a mixed state between these two.
Then whats the problem, if one can simply know what comes from what?
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Icyus]
#21731043 - 05/28/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The problem is that its very hard to cope with being half dreaming, half awake. The two worlds have different ways of thinking.
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actions and reactions differ on the different levels of conciousness.
i.e. actions that happen in the dream state can be far removed from the interaction it may have within the waking state and vice versa.
when you are experiencing the two states at the same time (while dealing with your own battles too) to make a desicion or action in the 'waking' world can have totally different outcome in the dreaming world that you will have no control over and vice versa, and as you are experiencing both states/worlds at the same time they are both relevant to you at that moment and it becomes hard to keep track of all interactions and actions as the states/worlds and not seperate entities they are entwined and interact with eachother.
hard to control yourself in a world that you dont understand and/or dont fully understand the concepts that apply between the states.
sometimes strange observed behaviour( from someone mentally ill) in the waking state is just an act to control something in the dreaming state that the observer is no part of. it only seems strange because you cannot see the interaction with the dreaming state where the action has strong and meaningful influences to the person stuck in that state.
it makes all desicions perilous (because you cant percieve the interation it will have on the other state) and over time rules that define reality become stretched, distorted and just plain different!!
imagine being thrown into a world where the world of science, math, reason and causation has changed and you have to quickly get your head round it but also concern yourself and function in the waking reality!!
multi-tasking aint in it lol!!
from someone who has been there numerous times- it aint easy to follow 2 ever changing scripts and still be expected to get your lines correct.
Edited by mustangbob3 (05/28/15 03:54 AM)
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Re: "Psychosis". is it real? [Re: Asante]
#21732837 - 05/28/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Asante said: The problem is that its very hard to cope with being half dreaming, half awake. The two worlds have different ways of thinking.
Iknow, but not impossible.
Dream-awake Sex=merging Killing=ending Dying=letting go Life=continuation Posionous=rejecting
Amongst others.. These would might be tricky if not aware. "I am tired of my friend, so he must die-i need time alone" for example..
Edited by Icyus (05/28/15 02:51 PM)
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