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A few Amanita's...
    #2169669 - 12/08/03 08:58 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

On my hunt today, the only mushrooms I found of interest were in the Amanita genus. I'll start off with some edible Amanita's known as the Coccoli, or Amanita calyptrata, which are very closely related to Amanita caesarea.






Next we have the well known A. muscaria. It was the only specimen I found. Something tells me that there are whole lot more right behind.


Here's a coral mushroom


Here are some luminescent Jack-O-Lantern mushrooms. I would like to go and take some pictures of these at night.


Here is a "Sand Amanita". Notice it is growing in sand. :wink:


There were thousands of Mycena growing along the forest floor, so I had to take at least one picture of them


More images to come in the next few days.


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: angryshroom]
    #2169793 - 12/08/03 09:39 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Nice photos. It's been a while since we've had a good "non-active" photo album here.

Are you going to eat those edibles? If yes, what do they taste like?


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Stymee]
    #2169964 - 12/08/03 10:49 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

nice pictures angryshroom! I was out in a redwood preserve yesterday and found thousands of those Mycena or something that looked them. I also found some yellow amanitas that look like A. Musrcaria, I thought they were death caps. None of the pictures came out correctly though because of lighting and the batterys running out in my camera.


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Stymee]
    #2169981 - 12/08/03 10:54 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Thanks guys.

The A. calyptrata is noted by Arora as: "Edible and popular, but with a rather strong, fishy flavor that doesn't appeal to everyone."

He also states that they are very appealing to many people however.

I didn't collect any of the specimens so I wont be eating them. Something about eating an Amanita just doesn't seem right to me. :smile:


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: angryshroom]
    #2170204 - 12/09/03 12:19 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

More amazing pictures angry. :smile:
The Jack-O-Lanterns look a lot different on the west coast.


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Gumby]
    #2170232 - 12/09/03 12:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

nice photos. do the luminescent Jack-O-Lantern mushrooms glow in the dark?


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: angryshroom]
    #2170323 - 12/09/03 01:02 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Nice mushrooms and photos of them.

I understand completely about the edible Amanitas. I found a motherlode of them this year (Amanita populiphila) and didn't eat any. Once you know about the consequences of a mistake, it's tough to go ahead and eat some that you know are OK. I even verified them microscopically.

Your Amanitas are a bit too close to some varieties of Amanita phalloides for my tastes. At least Amanita populiphila is one of the exannulate Amanitas, a feature which makes it very different from the deadly species.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: angryshroom]
    #2170495 - 12/09/03 02:14 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

how is it you manage to find A. muscaria south of me when i have to go 200 miles north to find them?


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: canid]
    #2170521 - 12/09/03 02:26 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Hmmph. I dont know... :laugh:

I've noticed that they really like pine mixed with some oak. Of course, I DO live right on the coast...which might have something to do with it.


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: angryshroom]
    #2170528 - 12/09/03 02:29 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

i'm sure it does :laugh:.

it's ok, i'll have that large beachfront property sooner or later.


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: wookie]
    #2170877 - 12/10/03 07:26 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Since no-one else has picked up on this I will (I'm no expert).Those yellow a.muscaria are very probably a.muscaria variant formosa,a yellow capped muscaria similar in appearance to both the amanita and pantherina.Any advice on "active status" anyone? :rolleyes:


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Re: A few Amanita's... *DELETED* [Re: canid]
    #2170878 - 12/10/03 07:37 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

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"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2170969 - 12/10/03 01:40 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Did you possibly respond in the wrong thread? There is only one photo of Amanita muscaria up there, and it's red capped.

The yellowish capped Amanitas at the top are an edible species, Amanita calyptrata. There is also a photo of an Amanita growing in sand, Amanita baccata.

Incidentally, according to Rod Tulloss (the current expert on Amanitas in North America), the correct name for Amanita muscaria var. formosa (as it has been called in countless books) is Amanita muscaria var. guessowii. As you can read from his page on that variety, it contains the same toxins as the other varieities of Amanita muscaria.

The biggest issue with using the non-red capped Amanita muscarias is identification. There are a lot of very similar Amanitas, many of them as yet unnamed and unstudied. Considering that the genus Amanita is responsible for something around 95% of all fatal mushroom poisonings, experimenting with potentially unknown species of Amanita is probably not very wise.

If you (or anybody, actually) decide that you're going to experiment with them, keep some fresh specimens in a bag in your refrigerator. If you get sick enough to go to the emergency room, take those specimens with you. They can be shown to an expert mycologist who can then make sure they're identified accurately. This will help the doctors know how to treat you medically.

As far as using Amanita muscaria or one of the closely related species as an active mushroom, I can tell you that out of many people I have spoken with who have actually tried them, all but one have said that it was very unpleasant and they wouldn't do it again.

Happy mushrooming!


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2170998 - 12/10/03 02:41 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Yup, what TM said :smile:


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: angryshroom]
    #2174717 - 12/13/03 02:56 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

No man,read the Wookie's post!


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"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2174768 - 12/13/03 03:15 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Also would it not be true to say that the active amanita species supposedly,although this is frequently not the case, retain fragments of their veil on their caps (as the famous white
"spots") whilst the other species tend not to?Some of the amanitas pictured above do look suspiciously like phalloides although the only one I can remember seeing was a darker green.(However guys we can all make mistakes,see next post on "British Indigenous"). :nonono: :nonono:


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"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2178134 - 12/15/03 01:13 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Those veil fragments can also wash of in the rain.


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: Silverwolf]
    #2178484 - 12/15/03 03:25 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

The white warts on the mushrooms are easily removed with your finger, or anything really.

I have seen many many many A. muscaria with the warts that have been wiped off by the rain. When I took these pictures, we had JUST had a heavy rain the night before. I could actually see the warts on the pine needles right beneath the mushroom cap. I think I actually have a picture from last year with the warts on the debris as well.

The mushrooms in the first few pictures are 100% A. calyptrata. I have friends who hunt this area and have all talked about these mushrooms. Its a very common and well known species here...As well as the A. muscaria.

Lonewolf, if I was unsure about this, I would have said by now. I know things about the mushrooms I have seen year after year.


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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: canid]
    #2178887 - 12/15/03 07:07 AM (13 years, 4 months ago)

Here are the entheogenic species of the Amanita Family from my paper with Guzm?n and Gartz

11. Amanita muscaria (L. : Fr.) Hook. with several forms, subspecies or varieties, as A. muscaria ssp. muscaria, ssp. americana (Lange) Singer, ssp. flavivolvata Singer [= var. flavivolvata (Singer) Jenkins], ssp. kamtschatica (Langsd. : Fr.) Singer var. alba Peck, var. formosa (Pers..: Fr.) Bertillon, and var. persicina Jenkins (see Singer, 1986, Jenkins, 1977, 1986 and Castro, 1998) (Fig. 18) (see below var. regalis as A. regalis

12. A. pantherina (DC. : Fr.) P. Kumm. with varieties, as var. mutisquamosa (Peck) Jenkins, var. pantherinoides (Murrill) Jenkins and var. velatipes (Atkinson) Jenkins (see Jenkins, 1977)

13. A. regalis (Fr.) Michael [= A. muscaria var. regalis (Fr.) Bartillon]


mjshroomer fromthe list of 212 entheogenic mushroom species worldwide.

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Re: A few Amanita's... [Re: angryshroom]
    #2183231 - 12/16/03 06:29 PM (13 years, 4 months ago)

It's O.K angryshroom (no really it is) I realised after I had posted that you had identified them (editing can be a bit of a bugger with only a 100mhz processor).They seem paler than the ,only, phalloides that I've seen,as I said.As for a.muscaria yeah I've seen all sorts of shapes,sizes and colours (I swear that many of those I picked this year were orange),with and without spots!A.muscaria morphology is interesting,a discussion on it could run hand in hand with one on the mycorrhizal acivity of a.pantherina and it's variants.Do we have a diffinitive list of all the tree species with which the active amanitas are mycorrhizal?  :print:


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"Arafel."
She knew this word.Reverend Mothers of the tyrants time had impressed it into the Bene Gesserit consciousness,tracing it's roots to the most ancient sources.
"Arafel:the cloud darkness at the end of the universe.""


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