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No Lids? No worries. ALUMALIDS TEK! Works 60% OF THE TIME, 100% OF THE TIME!
    #21694873 - 05/18/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hi.. I hate lids.  I dislike the preparation as well as the cleaning.  I will admit, since I have been exploring this idea, I have switched to the plastic lids and regained my sanity.

I don't currently have enough plastic lids and I have done this exact method in the past with great results.  A few of you might ask me why such a small GE (gas exchange) hole, and I will reply it does not matter.  I have grown many side by side with drilled metal tops with 2 1/8 Holes.  Some colonized faster, some colonized at the same speed, some were slower.. Which just means to me that the GE holes don't need to be larger than the size of needle you use to inoculate.

You will only need to put 2-3 layers of Micro Pour tape 3m over the inoculation hole you make. 

As far as inoculation goes, its the same as normal, you just make your own hole then cover up quickly with tape.


First, rip off a decent sized piece of foil


Fold it so it has 4 layers of foil.  YOU MUST USE 4 LAYERS.  Why?  With them being sealed, pressure builds inside of them during the pressure cooking process.  It will rip 2 layers of foil.  I will also like to add that I am using high quality foil, not cheap 99cent store stuff. 


Make sure you make a smooth top and press the foil into the creases of the jars.


Put the ring on and tighten all the way down.  You may rip off the excess foil, just know sometimes it does rip the inside if you are not careful.




Some liquid cultures that have been made and used successfully.




Now, I hope everybody reaches this far into the TEK, because this is very important.  You must wait till the jar and whatever is inside it reaches room temperature.  If you do not wait, it will either have a negative or positive pressure.  I let them sit out over night in open air before I do my inoculations with this TEK.  I have had many successful grows and liquid cultures using this method also.  I just inoculated 30+ jars with about 10 of them with foil lids, so I will be posting them once they start going.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21694947 - 05/18/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This is cool.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Milk Man]
    #21695337 - 05/18/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You must wait till the jar and whatever is inside it reaches room temperature. If you do not wait, it will either have a negative or positive pressure.



It creates a positive pressure only. In fact it's standard lab procedure to heat the necks of a flask/bottle because the heat repels airborne contaminants from landing on them. If the jar was cooler than the surrounding air then you would see a negative pressure.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
    #21695363 - 05/18/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It does not only create positive pressure.  I have done this many times.  When you take them out of the PC, the foil will be bulging upwards.  After 10 min, they suddenly suck in.  I have not tried applying a needle to it to see what happens, all I know is that after a long period of time in an room temperature environment they go back to normal.

Edit : Up to 8 hours after it will still be sucked down

I even stuck one in the fridge to see what would happen, it caused an instant reaction of a vacuum.  This was while the jar's are still 140+f


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21695384 - 05/18/15 05:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You mean air pressure? I didn't think foil would create a good enough seal for that.

I thought you were talking about pressure from the heat gradient.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
    #21695392 - 05/18/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You mean air pressure? I didn't think foil would create a good enough seal for that.

I thought you were talking about pressure from the heat gradient.




Air pressure , I have no idea.  Some sort of pressure is built, and then a vacuum happens, then it goes to normal.

This foil tek is fucking legit.. It works every time, never had any problems.  I was surprised to see all my LC's and WBS actually make it the first time I did it because of the GE holes. 

I will say, 1 LC jar that I made was hissing for 1-2 min when I took it out of the PC, the air was coming out though and i assumed it stopped coming out once it did not have enough pressure.  Either way, I used the same LC (I marked it to make sure) to grow my last KSSS.  So, if there is hissing sound I would not be worried either.

Fuck lids.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21695394 - 05/18/15 06:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The pressure temperature relationship.
This is how air conditioning and refrigeration works. It's based on the sole principal that the hotter a gas or vapor is, the more space it occupies, creating pressure.

This is a cool idea. I must ask tho, why do you hate lids so much?


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: kn33b]
    #21695408 - 05/18/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The pressure temperature relationship.
This is how air conditioning and refrigeration works. It's based on the sole principal that the hotter a gas or vapor is, the more space it occupies, creating pressure.

This is a cool idea. I must ask tho, why do you hate lids so much?





My stance on lids has calmed down since I started experimenting with foil lids (4 months ago)

The first time I did it was because Micro pour tape is nearly impossible to clean off metal lids, so I started seeking alternatives.  The plastic lids are amazing and as soon as I aquire many of them I will most likely not be using this foil TEK anymore. 

But this is still easier than getting lids ready every single time.  Unless your one of the pro's with the fancy lids, this will save you time in every way.

My thinking was.. We wrap the fucking metal lids in foil, why waste time and just use foil?  That's what started me on this path.  It just seemed like a huge waste of time to prepare metal lids.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: kn33b]
    #21695417 - 05/18/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.



Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
    #21695443 - 05/18/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.



Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.





The rubber seals were the least of my worries..  It'c cleaning off the damn MP tape! lol

I made a SAB but its so damn small.. I cant even fit my arms in the giant holes I made.  These foil lids are just so fucking easy.  Heat the needle and stab anywhere.. No precision needed.  Getting the right angle on pre-made holes were a HUGE issue for me in the SAB also.

How do you guys use these things?  I threw mine away, fucking ridiculous amount of back breaking work for me.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
    #21695446 - 05/18/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.



Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.




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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: kn33b]
    #21695604 - 05/18/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I usually just crack the lid open. If you're using a syringe opening the lid eliminates the need to flame sterilize the needle between jars since the needle doesn't touch anything during the inoculation..


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696110 - 05/18/15 09:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.



Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.





The rubber seals were the least of my worries..  It'c cleaning off the damn MP tape! lol

I made a SAB but its so damn small.. I cant even fit my arms in the giant holes I made.  These foil lids are just so fucking easy.  Heat the needle and stab anywhere.. No precision needed.  Getting the right angle on pre-made holes were a HUGE issue for me in the SAB also.

How do you guys use these things?  I threw mine away, fucking ridiculous amount of back breaking work for me.




Buy a bigger tote if your SAB was that uncomfortable to you.

If you plan to go far in this hobby(agar, g2g, etc) you'll probably want to figure out how to use one. I suppose you could not use one, and get away with it.. but I like my cultures to be on agar, and I also like the ability to clean up my cultures if they're dirty.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21696171 - 05/18/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)




All done open air...  I don't know what you call going far, but my grows look better than 99% of the normal folks that come along, using coir and liquid cultures. 

Agar is not needed to go anywhere, neither is a SAB.  It looks cool, you might get 300-400 more grams than me.  It's a very blanket statement to say you need it to go far.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696201 - 05/18/15 09:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Can you clone? Can you CLEAN your clones? Can you store your cultures? Can you CLEAN your cultures?


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21696220 - 05/18/15 09:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Can you clone? Can you CLEAN your clones? Can you store your cultures? Can you CLEAN your cultures?




Nope.. Do I need to from the looks of it?  ... nope.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696243 - 05/18/15 09:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'd personally rather optimize my results. I know how my cultures perform, and with agar I know my inoculant is clean. I don't like that MS can be unreliable. I don't like losing jars to contaminated LCs either.

I guess you and I have different ideas of what you and I "need" for this hobby. I can't live without agar, it offers far too much to me. I'll never go back to growing without it.

Have you ever used agar?


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21696266 - 05/18/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd personally rather optimize my results. I know how my cultures perform, and with agar I know my inoculant is clean. I don't like that MS can be unreliable. I don't like losing jars to contaminated LCs either.

I guess you and I have different ideas of what you and I "need" for this hobby. I can't live without agar, it offers far too much to me. I'll never go back to growing without it.

Have you ever used agar?





I have not..  Im using walmart WBS with pet store coir. 

I came to the conclusion that just because a culture is clean and on agar, it does not mean it would preform.

Its the same thing as dropping spores in a liquid culture as far as luck.  The more you try, the better results you get.  I just see agar and culturing as a huge waste of time when I can produce these results with out. 

Yes, you can sector, transfer till your heart desires..  You can also make Liquid cultures and test them in the same fashion and just put them in the fridge..  Storing is easy.

The ONLY advantage TO ME, read again. TOOOO MEEEEEEE, is ensuring your culture is clean.

I have had problems in the past with a few LC's.. Once you know what it is supposed to look like, it becomes less and less of a problem.

Also, your mind would blow up if you knew some of the best growers here use MS.  Their results blow mine out of the water.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696313 - 05/18/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's okay to disagree. If one is happy with their results, that is all that matters.

The main reason I don't dig LC is cause I can't see if it's contaminated with bacteria. I don't care how clean it looks, that shit can still be harbored without visual indication.

IME clone>ms, maybe not always as far as yield goes but I like the consistency of the flushes.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: TheEaglesGift]
    #21696352 - 05/18/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It's okay to disagree. If one is happy with their results, that is all that matters.

The main reason I don't dig LC is cause I can't see if it's contaminated with bacteria. I don't care how clean it looks, that shit can still be harbored without visual indication.

IME clone>ms, maybe not always as far as yield goes but I like the consistency of the flushes.




It's pretty damn easy to make a clean culture. I've only ran into problems with trying to clone (using my sab)

I usually make 10 liquid cultures and pit them against each other.  I separate out anything that shows crazy signs of growth in 1-3 days(trich), then follow them visually.  I've never had a MS liquid culture with contams.  Once you ensure you culture is clean, toss it in the fridge and you can make hundreds of cultures from it if your jars/grow goes well.

You can tell how aggressive the culture is by watching how fast it takes over the LC jar.  I reeeallllllly like my LC's, just so easy since i'm poor as fuck.

Edit : I would like to clarify that, after you inoculate with your LC.  Save 1cc and put the syringe in the fridge.  If it grows well, then clone it.  You might introduce contams when you pull the culture out of the jar, so its best to just save some for sure clean culture in a syringe and just wait it out.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696701 - 05/18/15 11:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You realize agars like making jello? It's like sugar and geletin lol easier than making grains. I drop all my spores on it and in the last 70ish jars I've made in the last 2 weeks from 14 plates I've tossed 2 to contaminations. Beat that. Agar will be far cleaner than syringes, end of story. I don't want to guess with LCs when I can just make agar and know I'm inoculating clean.

Also a bigger SAB makes it all a dream. I can make pretty clean spore prints too so I don't need to rely on vendors. Honestly I've gotten so used to my sab I can't imagine doing anything outside of it.

Your results are controlled and I'd like to know what your contamination rates were compared to your completion rates. With more experience and agar you'll see your contamination pile a lot less. At least that's been my experience

Hell if you want an LC drop spores on agar make sure it's 100% clean and drop it into an LC. You'd have a lot higher chance having a clean LC


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21696843 - 05/19/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You realize agars like making jello? It's like sugar and geletin lol easier than making grains. I drop all my spores on it and in the last 70ish jars I've made in the last 2 weeks from 14 plates I've tossed 2 to contaminations. Beat that. Agar will be far cleaner than syringes, end of story. I don't want to guess with LCs when I can just make agar and know I'm inoculating clean.

Also a bigger SAB makes it all a dream. I can make pretty clean spore prints too so I don't need to rely on vendors. Honestly I've gotten so used to my sab I can't imagine doing anything outside of it.

Your results are controlled and I'd like to know what your contamination rates were compared to your completion rates. With more experience and agar you'll see your contamination pile a lot less. At least that's been my experience

Hell if you want an LC drop spores on agar make sure it's 100% clean and drop it into an LC. You'd have a lot higher chance having a clean LC




The only time I have had tubs contaminate before flushing is when I cased with this peat I ordered offline.  Otherwise I would lose 1-2 jars out of 38-45 every time.  This also means that my culture was not contaminated.  All my tubs have gone 2-3 flush's, I mostly throw them out after the 2nd.  I have kept a few around to see how long they last, got up to 5 flushes and deemed it was pretty worthless to keep them around after the 2nd flush.

I have lost 7 before, which is also the exact number my pressure cooker holds, so I think my error came into play with that run.

This whole agar thing is like having the body kit on your car.. It looks cool, does not add much and people who do it seem to think other methods are worthless or not as good..  The only way I will EVER do agar is when I move out of this dirty ass house and get myself some laminar flow going on.

Where are all your canopy's if you don't mind me asking?

I see all you guys bashing Liquid cultures, I don't see the grows to back up your words though.  Post some 1700+g wet tubs.

I don't see why or how you can say its so great when they are better, more packed and weigh more than most people can manage WITH mono cultures..

I am not saying agar is worse or LC is better, I am saying that they are both equal in potential for genetics.  There is no amount of isolating that will guarantee that the culture will work.  Pussyfarts tale of 10 isolates is a perfect example of how to take an enormous amount of work to find a proper culture, and how mono cultures are almost no different than great genetics using multi-spore.  We have seen azurs MS penis grows, and they trump everything you and I have to a degree that makes me jealous.

Agar is for breeding specific characteristics that you desire and want to keep alive for years and years.. If you know what your doing, you can get great results out of ANY method.  Eatyualive uses every method possible and gets consistent canopy's on everything he does. 





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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696861 - 05/19/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You could always just punch a big ass hole into the top and fill it with polyfil?


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696867 - 05/19/15 12:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

No problems lol!



from these 2 trays at 2.5 qts of manure each spawned with 1/2 pints I picked 1223 grams fresh today.

Another point is even if I had a flood I would never do agar in front of it. Still air boxes are boss man.

this tray gave me 386 grams wet.

I got 2 even bigger ones to pick tomorrow from:


I've done well without agar but this isn't about results and canopies, which it will clearly do. It's about having a clean inoculation. One day LC will fuck you over and you'll lose everything. Agar that will never happen.

It also opens you to cloning.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696872 - 05/19/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The day I lost 80+ quarts to bacteria from a previously tested clean LC, is the day I stopped using LC.

That said, I just took some LC a friend sent me to grain masters and agar. It was all clean growth. I trusted the grower, and I trust his methods. If I lost the 4 grain masters, I know I had the culture backed up on agar(and if the dishes were dirty, I could clean them up).

I really don't feel like arguing with you pig, or anyone. I don't like arguing. It's a waste of time, much like LC.(just kidding!). I know plenty of great growers who use liquids, I just don't personally dig it. IF I were to make a liquid inoculant of some kind, I'd make it with a clean agar dish.


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    #21696884 - 05/19/15 12:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Totally feel your pain eagle. Been in the same boat lol


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    #21696886 - 05/19/15 12:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The day I lost 80+ quarts to bacteria from a previously tested clean LC, is the day I stopped using LC.

That said, I just took some LC a friend sent me to grain masters and agar. It was all clean growth. I trusted the grower, and I trust his methods. If I lost the 4 grain masters, I know I had the culture backed up on agar(and if the dishes were dirty, I could clean them up).

I really don't feel like arguing with you pig, or anyone. I don't like arguing. It's a waste of time, much like LC.(just kidding!). I know plenty of great growers who use liquids, I just don't personally dig it. IF I were to make a liquid inoculant of some kind, I'd make it with a clean agar dish.




You lost your jars because you did not transfer the clean LC in the syringe to a NEW lc.  Always save 1cc of your LC cultures in a syringe in case its fucking amazing and you want to keep it going.  You always risk contamination if you use the same LC twice..


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21696890 - 05/19/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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No problems lol!



from these 2 trays at 2.5 qts of manure each spawned with 1/2 pints I picked 1223 grams fresh today.

Another point is even if I had a flood I would never do agar in front of it. Still air boxes are boss man.

this tray gave me 386 grams wet.

I got 2 even bigger ones to pick tomorrow from:


I've done well without agar but this isn't about results and canopies, which it will clearly do. It's about having a clean inoculation. One day LC will fuck you over and you'll lose everything. Agar that will never happen.

It also opens you to cloning.




There is no way of not being a dick, those grows are sub par at best.


There is a HUGEEEE difference between what you are peddling as a solid grow and what I am peddling.

Also, i know what 1200g's looks like, and you sure in the fuck did not get it from those 2 trays.  We know as a community that your lying when you say half quart 600g yield.  Even if 4 of those trays looked like your fullest one, it would not equal what you are saying. 


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696892 - 05/19/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You lost your jars because you did not transfer the clean LC in the syringe to a NEW lc.  Always save 1cc of your LC cultures in a syringe in case its fucking amazing and you want to keep it going.  You always risk contamination if you use the same LC twice..





The act of drawing from an LC or making a new LC out of the saved CCs both run the risk of introducing contamination. Explain to me how either is any safer or more fail proof?

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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696894 - 05/19/15 01:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Right. You do realize that's 5 qts of manure and half a quart of spawn giving me over a quarter pound? >.>.. that's a lot better than any mono I've seen.

Considering a 66 qt tub needs like 14 qts with 4 qts of spawn to get a good half pound. My results are 3 times better.

Also lots of small mushrooms doesn't necessarily mean it's more.. this guy is a half ounce. How many small mushrooms would make this?

Take a good look at the pics. Those stems are thick and not hollow. It's what I said it is sir. They're big ass mushrooms.


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    #21696900 - 05/19/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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You lost your jars because you did not transfer the clean LC in the syringe to a NEW lc.  Always save 1cc of your LC cultures in a syringe in case its fucking amazing and you want to keep it going.  You always risk contamination if you use the same LC twice..





The act of drawing from an LC or making a new LC out of the saved CCs both run the risk of introducing contamination. Explain to me how either is any safer or more fail proof?

Maybe I'm just not understanding you. :shrug:





So, when inoculating your jars, the first pull you do out of the LC, save 1cc and put it in the fridge. (in the syringe)

Draw again with other syringes and complete your jars and grow them out.

If anything desirable pops up, take that 1 CC and inject it into clean LC or agar.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21696924 - 05/19/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Right. You do realize that's 5 qts of manure and half a quart of spawn giving me over a quarter pound? >.>.. that's a lot better than any mono I've seen.

Considering a 66 qt tub needs like 14 qts with 4 qts of spawn to get a good half pound. My results are 3 times better.

Also lots of small mushrooms doesn't necessarily mean it's more.. this guy is a half ounce. How many small mushrooms would make this?





Do you actually believe yourself?



This container it is in is about the same size or bigger than your tray.  Your 14 mushrooms outweigh half my tub of PE?  Your fucking as delusional as they come



If you are going to go around making claims that you can get 1200g off 2quarts right?  4 trays, 1/2 qt each

You better post screenshots with everything on a scale, because nobody.. NOBODY pulls that.  It is almost a set factor that 1qt = 1oz.  Yet you found some way too triple that with out barely growing any mushrooms.

I don't believe you, take your bullshit to some other thread.



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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696929 - 05/19/15 01:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I said 2 trays, 2.5 qts each making 5 qts total and a half qt of spawn total.. sigh I don't even know what you're saying anymore. Obviously big mushrooms outweigh lots of little ones.

This doesn't even have anything do with what I was trying to tell you. If you want confidence every time you inoculate you'll be wishing you had agar one day. Everyone eventually does and then complains about how they haven't done it sooner haha


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21696956 - 05/19/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I said 2 trays, 2.5 qts each making 5 qts total and a half qt of spawn total.. sigh I don't even know what you're saying anymore. Obviously big mushrooms outweigh lots of little ones.

This doesn't even have anything do with what I was trying to tell you. If you want confidence every time you inoculate you'll be wishing you had agar one day. Everyone eventually does and then complains about how they haven't done it sooner haha



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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21696979 - 05/19/15 01:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I just did something similar, using polyfill between foil and the lid, with band aids on top  (simply because they were available) and then a loose layer of foil. I have high hopes for the outcome, and will be coming back to report.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: graha585]
    #21697457 - 05/19/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey mike, do you enjoy the plastic lids more than the foil lids? Walmart carries 8 packs of plastic lids for $3 dollars. I dont even clean my lids other then a 5 second rinse since they will be pressure cooked I do not worry about washing the lids to much.


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    #21697524 - 05/19/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey mike, do you enjoy the plastic lids more than the foil lids? Walmart carries 8 packs of plastic lids for $3 dollars. I dont even clean my lids other then a 5 second rinse since they will be pressure cooked I do not worry about washing the lids to much.




I get the ones from target, my walmart does not carry any.

After every grow, all the jars. rings, lids plastic or not go into the dishwasher for a hot sterilizing steam bath.  My house is extremely dirty and has a high trich spore load for sure.  Anything that I don't take my time with in this hobby will trich in 2 days.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21697956 - 05/19/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Obviously big mushrooms outweigh lots of little ones.



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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21697972 - 05/19/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hate lids because of micropore tape even though micropore tape is garbage you never should have used.

You should do agar BECAUSE you live in a shit place that's dirty not the other way around. Its like a seat belt in a car you don't need it but it doesn't just make it look fancy

Then again I know I spend less money and throw less away for my effort :shrug: I know some people are hell bent on doing shit ass backwards and then fixing it with unnecessary solutions.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21697982 - 05/19/15 10:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

They say a cake can make a giant 7 gram mushroom or 14 half gram mushrooms. They still weigh the same.. I have a tray that pushed out lots of small fruits and it didn't do as well as the one with a few big ones.. like I said before lots of small mushrooms doesn't mean it'll outweigh the big ones.

They appear more photogenic but it's the actual weight that determines how much you've actually got.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21698004 - 05/19/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You said "obviously big mushrooms outweigh lots of little ones", which is a pretty stupid thing to say.


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    #21698022 - 05/19/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Fair enough, it could be seen both ways since I said it pretty vague but it is still pretty obvious that it'd take lots of those little guys to make that half ounce mushroom, which is what I was trying to say at 3 am lol


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    #21698034 - 05/19/15 11:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: bodhisatta]
    #21698045 - 05/19/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hate lids because of micropore tape even though micropore tape is garbage you never should have used.

You should do agar BECAUSE you live in a shit place that's dirty not the other way around. Its like a seat belt in a car you don't need it but it doesn't just make it look fancy

Then again I know I spend less money and throw less away for my effort :shrug: I know some people are hell bent on doing shit ass backwards and then fixing it with unnecessary solutions.




Why are my grows better than yours if everything I do is shitty?

If anything contams, it's your fault.  end of story.  The method used does not mean failure.

When people come in and claim that their method is better with out any grows to back it up.. It is easy to parrot information around with out actually trying anything out.  Just because you had some bad experiences with LC or MS, does not mean everybody does. 

Nobody here is denying that agar is not the safer route.  Whats being argued is, it's not the only route.  If you feel you must use agar, then do it.  I really don't care about how you grow your stuff, just don't come in claiming that you grew 1200+g off of a quart and saying agar is the best and only method people should practice because they failed other places where other people have succeeded. (and succeeded far greater than you)



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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21701113 - 05/20/15 04:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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from these 2 trays at 2.5 qts of manure each spawned with 1/2 pints I picked 1223 grams fresh today.



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Right. You do realize that's 5 qts of manure and half a quart of spawn giving me over a quarter pound? >.>.. that's a lot better than any mono I've seen.



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I said 2 trays, 2.5 qts each making 5 qts total and a half qt of spawn total..




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If you are going to go around making claims that you can get 1200g off 2quarts right?  4 trays, 1/2 qt each



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 I really don't care about how you grow your stuff, just don't come in claiming that you grew 1200+g off of a quart




What are you on? Cause that's some random numbers you made up..

You can get 14 half gram mushrooms or 1 7 gram mushroom off of a cake. Still weighs the same. One might be more photogenic, but it'll still be what it is. :shrug: Its actually a pretty basic fact in cultivation, and is a good reason a lot of people prefer bigger fruits. Easier to pick too and won't ruin the whole surface as well IMO.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
    #21701485 - 05/20/15 07:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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from these 2 trays at 2.5 qts of manure each spawned with 1/2 pints I picked 1223 grams fresh today.



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Right. You do realize that's 5 qts of manure and half a quart of spawn giving me over a quarter pound? >.>.. that's a lot better than any mono I've seen.



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I said 2 trays, 2.5 qts each making 5 qts total and a half qt of spawn total..




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If you are going to go around making claims that you can get 1200g off 2quarts right?  4 trays, 1/2 qt each



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 I really don't care about how you grow your stuff, just don't come in claiming that you grew 1200+g off of a quart




What are you on? Cause that's some random numbers you made up..

You can get 14 half gram mushrooms or 1 7 gram mushroom off of a cake. Still weighs the same. One might be more photogenic, but it'll still be what it is. :shrug: Its actually a pretty basic fact in cultivation, and is a good reason a lot of people prefer bigger fruits. Easier to pick too and won't ruin the whole surface as well IMO.




I was giving you the benefit of the doubt, raising the spawn ratio and you still manage to look like an idiot.


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    #21708444 - 05/21/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)



Quick little update.

These were made from


I expect everything to contaminate though.. No agar work.


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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: MikeBearPig]
    #21708885 - 05/22/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Do you have a tiny dick or something? You pick fights where no fights need to be picked.


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    #21708997 - 05/22/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

this guy again :facepalm:

how do you shake jars with foil lids anyway?

I'd just do everything opposite of what MBP says you should.. touting open air work, geez!


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    #21709012 - 05/22/15 02:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Do you have a tiny dick or something? You pick fights where no fights need to be picked.




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    #21774816 - 06/07/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



Finally finished up some spawn in the Alumalids! 

Works great, same colonization time with only a needle prick for a GE hole, no contams.

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    #21775225 - 06/07/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I was wondering the same thing.

How the hell do you shake jars with foil lids?


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    #21775233 - 06/07/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I was wondering the same thing.

How the hell do you shake jars with foil lids?





It's 4 Layers of foil, You just shake them like normal.


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    #21775248 - 06/07/15 05:48 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Right on. I think I'll stick to my metal and plastic ones. With my luck the grains would rip the lids up. I tend to shake the piss out of my jars...lol.


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Right on. I think I'll stick to my metal and plastic ones. With my luck the grains would rip the lids up. I tend to shake the piss out of my jars...lol.





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