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Mad Season
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You realize agars like making jello? It's like sugar and geletin lol easier than making grains. I drop all my spores on it and in the last 70ish jars I've made in the last 2 weeks from 14 plates I've tossed 2 to contaminations. Beat that. Agar will be far cleaner than syringes, end of story. I don't want to guess with LCs when I can just make agar and know I'm inoculating clean.
Also a bigger SAB makes it all a dream. I can make pretty clean spore prints too so I don't need to rely on vendors. Honestly I've gotten so used to my sab I can't imagine doing anything outside of it.
Your results are controlled and I'd like to know what your contamination rates were compared to your completion rates. With more experience and agar you'll see your contamination pile a lot less. At least that's been my experience
Hell if you want an LC drop spores on agar make sure it's 100% clean and drop it into an LC. You'd have a lot higher chance having a clean LC
Edited by Mad Season (05/18/15 11:44 PM)
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MikeBearPig
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
#21696843 - 05/19/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: You realize agars like making jello? It's like sugar and geletin lol easier than making grains. I drop all my spores on it and in the last 70ish jars I've made in the last 2 weeks from 14 plates I've tossed 2 to contaminations. Beat that. Agar will be far cleaner than syringes, end of story. I don't want to guess with LCs when I can just make agar and know I'm inoculating clean.
Also a bigger SAB makes it all a dream. I can make pretty clean spore prints too so I don't need to rely on vendors. Honestly I've gotten so used to my sab I can't imagine doing anything outside of it.
Your results are controlled and I'd like to know what your contamination rates were compared to your completion rates. With more experience and agar you'll see your contamination pile a lot less. At least that's been my experience
Hell if you want an LC drop spores on agar make sure it's 100% clean and drop it into an LC. You'd have a lot higher chance having a clean LC
The only time I have had tubs contaminate before flushing is when I cased with this peat I ordered offline. Otherwise I would lose 1-2 jars out of 38-45 every time. This also means that my culture was not contaminated. All my tubs have gone 2-3 flush's, I mostly throw them out after the 2nd. I have kept a few around to see how long they last, got up to 5 flushes and deemed it was pretty worthless to keep them around after the 2nd flush.
I have lost 7 before, which is also the exact number my pressure cooker holds, so I think my error came into play with that run.
This whole agar thing is like having the body kit on your car.. It looks cool, does not add much and people who do it seem to think other methods are worthless or not as good.. The only way I will EVER do agar is when I move out of this dirty ass house and get myself some laminar flow going on.
Where are all your canopy's if you don't mind me asking?
I see all you guys bashing Liquid cultures, I don't see the grows to back up your words though. Post some 1700+g wet tubs.
I don't see why or how you can say its so great when they are better, more packed and weigh more than most people can manage WITH mono cultures..
I am not saying agar is worse or LC is better, I am saying that they are both equal in potential for genetics. There is no amount of isolating that will guarantee that the culture will work. Pussyfarts tale of 10 isolates is a perfect example of how to take an enormous amount of work to find a proper culture, and how mono cultures are almost no different than great genetics using multi-spore. We have seen azurs MS penis grows, and they trump everything you and I have to a degree that makes me jealous.
Agar is for breeding specific characteristics that you desire and want to keep alive for years and years.. If you know what your doing, you can get great results out of ANY method. Eatyualive uses every method possible and gets consistent canopy's on everything he does.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/19/15 12:51 AM)
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You could always just punch a big ass hole into the top and fill it with polyfil?
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Mad Season
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No problems lol!

from these 2 trays at 2.5 qts of manure each spawned with 1/2 pints I picked 1223 grams fresh today.
Another point is even if I had a flood I would never do agar in front of it. Still air boxes are boss man.
this tray gave me 386 grams wet.
I got 2 even bigger ones to pick tomorrow from:

I've done well without agar but this isn't about results and canopies, which it will clearly do. It's about having a clean inoculation. One day LC will fuck you over and you'll lose everything. Agar that will never happen.
It also opens you to cloning.
Edited by Mad Season (05/19/15 12:46 AM)
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TheEaglesGift
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One day LC will fuck you over and you'll lose everything
The day I lost 80+ quarts to bacteria from a previously tested clean LC, is the day I stopped using LC.
That said, I just took some LC a friend sent me to grain masters and agar. It was all clean growth. I trusted the grower, and I trust his methods. If I lost the 4 grain masters, I know I had the culture backed up on agar(and if the dishes were dirty, I could clean them up).
I really don't feel like arguing with you pig, or anyone. I don't like arguing. It's a waste of time, much like LC.(just kidding!). I know plenty of great growers who use liquids, I just don't personally dig it. IF I were to make a liquid inoculant of some kind, I'd make it with a clean agar dish.
Edited by TheEaglesGift (05/19/15 12:51 AM)
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Mad Season
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Totally feel your pain eagle. Been in the same boat lol
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MikeBearPig
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One day LC will fuck you over and you'll lose everything
The day I lost 80+ quarts to bacteria from a previously tested clean LC, is the day I stopped using LC.
That said, I just took some LC a friend sent me to grain masters and agar. It was all clean growth. I trusted the grower, and I trust his methods. If I lost the 4 grain masters, I know I had the culture backed up on agar(and if the dishes were dirty, I could clean them up).
I really don't feel like arguing with you pig, or anyone. I don't like arguing. It's a waste of time, much like LC.(just kidding!). I know plenty of great growers who use liquids, I just don't personally dig it. IF I were to make a liquid inoculant of some kind, I'd make it with a clean agar dish.
You lost your jars because you did not transfer the clean LC in the syringe to a NEW lc. Always save 1cc of your LC cultures in a syringe in case its fucking amazing and you want to keep it going. You always risk contamination if you use the same LC twice..
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
#21696890 - 05/19/15 12:58 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: No problems lol!

from these 2 trays at 2.5 qts of manure each spawned with 1/2 pints I picked 1223 grams fresh today.
Another point is even if I had a flood I would never do agar in front of it. Still air boxes are boss man.
this tray gave me 386 grams wet.
I got 2 even bigger ones to pick tomorrow from:

I've done well without agar but this isn't about results and canopies, which it will clearly do. It's about having a clean inoculation. One day LC will fuck you over and you'll lose everything. Agar that will never happen.
It also opens you to cloning.
There is no way of not being a dick, those grows are sub par at best.

There is a HUGEEEE difference between what you are peddling as a solid grow and what I am peddling.
Also, i know what 1200g's looks like, and you sure in the fuck did not get it from those 2 trays. We know as a community that your lying when you say half quart 600g yield. Even if 4 of those trays looked like your fullest one, it would not equal what you are saying.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/19/15 01:06 AM)
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TheEaglesGift
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You lost your jars because you did not transfer the clean LC in the syringe to a NEW lc. Always save 1cc of your LC cultures in a syringe in case its fucking amazing and you want to keep it going. You always risk contamination if you use the same LC twice..
The act of drawing from an LC or making a new LC out of the saved CCs both run the risk of introducing contamination. Explain to me how either is any safer or more fail proof?
Maybe I'm just not understanding you.
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Mad Season
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Right. You do realize that's 5 qts of manure and half a quart of spawn giving me over a quarter pound? >.>.. that's a lot better than any mono I've seen.
Considering a 66 qt tub needs like 14 qts with 4 qts of spawn to get a good half pound. My results are 3 times better.
Also lots of small mushrooms doesn't necessarily mean it's more.. this guy is a half ounce. How many small mushrooms would make this?
Take a good look at the pics. Those stems are thick and not hollow. It's what I said it is sir. They're big ass mushrooms.
Edited by Mad Season (05/19/15 01:13 AM)
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MikeBearPig
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You lost your jars because you did not transfer the clean LC in the syringe to a NEW lc. Always save 1cc of your LC cultures in a syringe in case its fucking amazing and you want to keep it going. You always risk contamination if you use the same LC twice..
The act of drawing from an LC or making a new LC out of the saved CCs both run the risk of introducing contamination. Explain to me how either is any safer or more fail proof?
Maybe I'm just not understanding you. 
So, when inoculating your jars, the first pull you do out of the LC, save 1cc and put it in the fridge. (in the syringe)
Draw again with other syringes and complete your jars and grow them out.
If anything desirable pops up, take that 1 CC and inject it into clean LC or agar.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/19/15 01:02 AM)
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
#21696924 - 05/19/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Right. You do realize that's 5 qts of manure and half a quart of spawn giving me over a quarter pound? >.>.. that's a lot better than any mono I've seen.
Considering a 66 qt tub needs like 14 qts with 4 qts of spawn to get a good half pound. My results are 3 times better.
Also lots of small mushrooms doesn't necessarily mean it's more.. this guy is a half ounce. How many small mushrooms would make this?
Do you actually believe yourself?

This container it is in is about the same size or bigger than your tray. Your 14 mushrooms outweigh half my tub of PE? Your fucking as delusional as they come

If you are going to go around making claims that you can get 1200g off 2quarts right? 4 trays, 1/2 qt each
You better post screenshots with everything on a scale, because nobody.. NOBODY pulls that. It is almost a set factor that 1qt = 1oz. Yet you found some way too triple that with out barely growing any mushrooms.
I don't believe you, take your bullshit to some other thread.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/19/15 01:17 AM)
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Mad Season
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I said 2 trays, 2.5 qts each making 5 qts total and a half qt of spawn total.. sigh I don't even know what you're saying anymore. Obviously big mushrooms outweigh lots of little ones.
This doesn't even have anything do with what I was trying to tell you. If you want confidence every time you inoculate you'll be wishing you had agar one day. Everyone eventually does and then complains about how they haven't done it sooner haha
Edited by Mad Season (05/19/15 01:31 AM)
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MikeBearPig
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
#21696956 - 05/19/15 01:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: I said 2 trays, 2.5 qts each making 5 qts total and a half qt of spawn total.. sigh I don't even know what you're saying anymore. Obviously big mushrooms outweigh lots of little ones.
This doesn't even have anything do with what I was trying to tell you. If you want confidence every time you inoculate you'll be wishing you had agar one day. Everyone eventually does and then complains about how they haven't done it sooner haha
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I just did something similar, using polyfill between foil and the lid, with band aids on top (simply because they were available) and then a loose layer of foil. I have high hopes for the outcome, and will be coming back to report.
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: graha585]
#21697457 - 05/19/15 07:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hey mike, do you enjoy the plastic lids more than the foil lids? Walmart carries 8 packs of plastic lids for $3 dollars. I dont even clean my lids other then a 5 second rinse since they will be pressure cooked I do not worry about washing the lids to much.
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MikeBearPig
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Milk Man]
#21697524 - 05/19/15 08:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Milk Man said: Hey mike, do you enjoy the plastic lids more than the foil lids? Walmart carries 8 packs of plastic lids for $3 dollars. I dont even clean my lids other then a 5 second rinse since they will be pressure cooked I do not worry about washing the lids to much.
I get the ones from target, my walmart does not carry any.
After every grow, all the jars. rings, lids plastic or not go into the dishwasher for a hot sterilizing steam bath. My house is extremely dirty and has a high trich spore load for sure. Anything that I don't take my time with in this hobby will trich in 2 days.
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Mad Season]
#21697956 - 05/19/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mad Season said: Obviously big mushrooms outweigh lots of little ones.
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bodhisatta 
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Hate lids because of micropore tape even though micropore tape is garbage you never should have used.
You should do agar BECAUSE you live in a shit place that's dirty not the other way around. Its like a seat belt in a car you don't need it but it doesn't just make it look fancy
Then again I know I spend less money and throw less away for my effort I know some people are hell bent on doing shit ass backwards and then fixing it with unnecessary solutions.
Edited by Trusted cuItivator (05/19/15 10:58 AM)
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Mad Season
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They say a cake can make a giant 7 gram mushroom or 14 half gram mushrooms. They still weigh the same.. I have a tray that pushed out lots of small fruits and it didn't do as well as the one with a few big ones.. like I said before lots of small mushrooms doesn't mean it'll outweigh the big ones.
They appear more photogenic but it's the actual weight that determines how much you've actually got.
Edited by Mad Season (05/19/15 11:04 AM)
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