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MikeBearPig
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No Lids? No worries. ALUMALIDS TEK! Works 60% OF THE TIME, 100% OF THE TIME!
#21694873 - 05/18/15 03:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hi.. I hate lids. I dislike the preparation as well as the cleaning. I will admit, since I have been exploring this idea, I have switched to the plastic lids and regained my sanity.
I don't currently have enough plastic lids and I have done this exact method in the past with great results. A few of you might ask me why such a small GE (gas exchange) hole, and I will reply it does not matter. I have grown many side by side with drilled metal tops with 2 1/8 Holes. Some colonized faster, some colonized at the same speed, some were slower.. Which just means to me that the GE holes don't need to be larger than the size of needle you use to inoculate.
You will only need to put 2-3 layers of Micro Pour tape 3m over the inoculation hole you make.
As far as inoculation goes, its the same as normal, you just make your own hole then cover up quickly with tape.
First, rip off a decent sized piece of foil

Fold it so it has 4 layers of foil. YOU MUST USE 4 LAYERS. Why? With them being sealed, pressure builds inside of them during the pressure cooking process. It will rip 2 layers of foil. I will also like to add that I am using high quality foil, not cheap 99cent store stuff.

Make sure you make a smooth top and press the foil into the creases of the jars.

Put the ring on and tighten all the way down. You may rip off the excess foil, just know sometimes it does rip the inside if you are not careful.


Some liquid cultures that have been made and used successfully.

Now, I hope everybody reaches this far into the TEK, because this is very important. You must wait till the jar and whatever is inside it reaches room temperature. If you do not wait, it will either have a negative or positive pressure. I let them sit out over night in open air before I do my inoculations with this TEK. I have had many successful grows and liquid cultures using this method also. I just inoculated 30+ jars with about 10 of them with foil lids, so I will be posting them once they start going.
Edited by MikeBearPig (06/07/15 04:25 PM)
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Milk Man
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This is cool.
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Milk Man]
#21695337 - 05/18/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You must wait till the jar and whatever is inside it reaches room temperature. If you do not wait, it will either have a negative or positive pressure.
It creates a positive pressure only. In fact it's standard lab procedure to heat the necks of a flask/bottle because the heat repels airborne contaminants from landing on them. If the jar was cooler than the surrounding air then you would see a negative pressure.
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MikeBearPig
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
#21695363 - 05/18/15 05:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It does not only create positive pressure. I have done this many times. When you take them out of the PC, the foil will be bulging upwards. After 10 min, they suddenly suck in. I have not tried applying a needle to it to see what happens, all I know is that after a long period of time in an room temperature environment they go back to normal.
Edit : Up to 8 hours after it will still be sucked down
I even stuck one in the fridge to see what would happen, it caused an instant reaction of a vacuum. This was while the jar's are still 140+f
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/18/15 05:56 PM)
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You mean air pressure? I didn't think foil would create a good enough seal for that.
I thought you were talking about pressure from the heat gradient.
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MikeBearPig
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
#21695392 - 05/18/15 06:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: You mean air pressure? I didn't think foil would create a good enough seal for that.
I thought you were talking about pressure from the heat gradient.
Air pressure , I have no idea. Some sort of pressure is built, and then a vacuum happens, then it goes to normal.
This foil tek is fucking legit.. It works every time, never had any problems. I was surprised to see all my LC's and WBS actually make it the first time I did it because of the GE holes.
I will say, 1 LC jar that I made was hissing for 1-2 min when I took it out of the PC, the air was coming out though and i assumed it stopped coming out once it did not have enough pressure. Either way, I used the same LC (I marked it to make sure) to grow my last KSSS. So, if there is hissing sound I would not be worried either.
Fuck lids.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/18/15 06:07 PM)
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The pressure temperature relationship. This is how air conditioning and refrigeration works. It's based on the sole principal that the hotter a gas or vapor is, the more space it occupies, creating pressure.
This is a cool idea. I must ask tho, why do you hate lids so much?
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MikeBearPig
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: kn33b]
#21695408 - 05/18/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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kn33b said: The pressure temperature relationship. This is how air conditioning and refrigeration works. It's based on the sole principal that the hotter a gas or vapor is, the more space it occupies, creating pressure.
This is a cool idea. I must ask tho, why do you hate lids so much?
My stance on lids has calmed down since I started experimenting with foil lids (4 months ago)
The first time I did it was because Micro pour tape is nearly impossible to clean off metal lids, so I started seeking alternatives. The plastic lids are amazing and as soon as I aquire many of them I will most likely not be using this foil TEK anymore.
But this is still easier than getting lids ready every single time. Unless your one of the pro's with the fancy lids, this will save you time in every way.
My thinking was.. We wrap the fucking metal lids in foil, why waste time and just use foil? That's what started me on this path. It just seemed like a huge waste of time to prepare metal lids.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/18/15 06:12 PM)
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: kn33b]
#21695417 - 05/18/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.

Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.
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MikeBearPig
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
#21695443 - 05/18/15 06:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.

Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.
The rubber seals were the least of my worries.. It'c cleaning off the damn MP tape! lol
I made a SAB but its so damn small.. I cant even fit my arms in the giant holes I made. These foil lids are just so fucking easy. Heat the needle and stab anywhere.. No precision needed. Getting the right angle on pre-made holes were a HUGE issue for me in the SAB also.
How do you guys use these things? I threw mine away, fucking ridiculous amount of back breaking work for me.
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: Kizzle]
#21695446 - 05/18/15 06:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Kizzle said: If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.

Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.
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Re: No Lids? No worry TEK [Re: kn33b]
#21695604 - 05/18/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I usually just crack the lid open. If you're using a syringe opening the lid eliminates the need to flame sterilize the needle between jars since the needle doesn't touch anything during the inoculation..
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MikeBearPig said:
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Kizzle said: If it's any help I hated metal lids too until I discovered you can remove the rubber sealant so it won't stick.

Then if you use a cotton or polyfill filter you can inoculate right through it instead of having to open a new hole and tape it back up.
The rubber seals were the least of my worries.. It'c cleaning off the damn MP tape! lol
I made a SAB but its so damn small.. I cant even fit my arms in the giant holes I made. These foil lids are just so fucking easy. Heat the needle and stab anywhere.. No precision needed. Getting the right angle on pre-made holes were a HUGE issue for me in the SAB also.
How do you guys use these things? I threw mine away, fucking ridiculous amount of back breaking work for me.
Buy a bigger tote if your SAB was that uncomfortable to you.
If you plan to go far in this hobby(agar, g2g, etc) you'll probably want to figure out how to use one. I suppose you could not use one, and get away with it.. but I like my cultures to be on agar, and I also like the ability to clean up my cultures if they're dirty.
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MikeBearPig
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All done open air... I don't know what you call going far, but my grows look better than 99% of the normal folks that come along, using coir and liquid cultures.
Agar is not needed to go anywhere, neither is a SAB. It looks cool, you might get 300-400 more grams than me. It's a very blanket statement to say you need it to go far.
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Can you clone? Can you CLEAN your clones? Can you store your cultures? Can you CLEAN your cultures?
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MikeBearPig
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TheEaglesGift said: Can you clone? Can you CLEAN your clones? Can you store your cultures? Can you CLEAN your cultures?
Nope.. Do I need to from the looks of it? ... nope.
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I'd personally rather optimize my results. I know how my cultures perform, and with agar I know my inoculant is clean. I don't like that MS can be unreliable. I don't like losing jars to contaminated LCs either.
I guess you and I have different ideas of what you and I "need" for this hobby. I can't live without agar, it offers far too much to me. I'll never go back to growing without it.
Have you ever used agar?
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MikeBearPig
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TheEaglesGift said: I'd personally rather optimize my results. I know how my cultures perform, and with agar I know my inoculant is clean. I don't like that MS can be unreliable. I don't like losing jars to contaminated LCs either.
I guess you and I have different ideas of what you and I "need" for this hobby. I can't live without agar, it offers far too much to me. I'll never go back to growing without it.
Have you ever used agar?
I have not.. Im using walmart WBS with pet store coir.
I came to the conclusion that just because a culture is clean and on agar, it does not mean it would preform.
Its the same thing as dropping spores in a liquid culture as far as luck. The more you try, the better results you get. I just see agar and culturing as a huge waste of time when I can produce these results with out.
Yes, you can sector, transfer till your heart desires.. You can also make Liquid cultures and test them in the same fashion and just put them in the fridge.. Storing is easy.
The ONLY advantage TO ME, read again. TOOOO MEEEEEEE, is ensuring your culture is clean.
I have had problems in the past with a few LC's.. Once you know what it is supposed to look like, it becomes less and less of a problem.
Also, your mind would blow up if you knew some of the best growers here use MS. Their results blow mine out of the water.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/18/15 09:48 PM)
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It's okay to disagree. If one is happy with their results, that is all that matters.
The main reason I don't dig LC is cause I can't see if it's contaminated with bacteria. I don't care how clean it looks, that shit can still be harbored without visual indication.
IME clone>ms, maybe not always as far as yield goes but I like the consistency of the flushes.
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MikeBearPig
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TheEaglesGift said: It's okay to disagree. If one is happy with their results, that is all that matters.
The main reason I don't dig LC is cause I can't see if it's contaminated with bacteria. I don't care how clean it looks, that shit can still be harbored without visual indication.
IME clone>ms, maybe not always as far as yield goes but I like the consistency of the flushes.
It's pretty damn easy to make a clean culture. I've only ran into problems with trying to clone (using my sab)
I usually make 10 liquid cultures and pit them against each other. I separate out anything that shows crazy signs of growth in 1-3 days(trich), then follow them visually. I've never had a MS liquid culture with contams. Once you ensure you culture is clean, toss it in the fridge and you can make hundreds of cultures from it if your jars/grow goes well.
You can tell how aggressive the culture is by watching how fast it takes over the LC jar. I reeeallllllly like my LC's, just so easy since i'm poor as fuck.
Edit : I would like to clarify that, after you inoculate with your LC. Save 1cc and put the syringe in the fridge. If it grows well, then clone it. You might introduce contams when you pull the culture out of the jar, so its best to just save some for sure clean culture in a syringe and just wait it out.
Edited by MikeBearPig (05/18/15 10:02 PM)
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