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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21700992 - 05/20/15 02:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

he would do you in the butt!

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150 pounds of heroin worth 50 million? Is that price about right or just estimate?



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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: CLIT]
    #21701534 - 05/20/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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who read the latest news about a heroin bust in NYC, 150 pounds of heroin worth 50 million? Is that price about right or just estimate?




If people buy grams for $740, then yes. It's worth more like 6.5  mil - 7 mil if he sold grams for a price that he would never get rid of it all in his life time.

More like 2 mil. worth for the big guy.


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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #21701599 - 05/20/15 08:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Poppies do not produce herion (diacetyl-morphine) which is semi-senthetic and does not occor in nature....

Poppies produce opioid alkaloids like morphine and codeine, but herion is not naturally produced by any plants....

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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21704959 - 05/21/15 12:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

people do not get high off morphine or codeine like that? I would assume it's a safer and more natural fix?

Would cocaine then be "natural" but what's up with the chemical precursors to turn it into powder form? Shouldn't there be a natural extraction method of it from coca leaves into smokeable form (atleast) and not necessarily HCL for snorting?

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Poppies do not produce herion (diacetyl-morphine) which is semi-senthetic and does not occor in nature....

Poppies produce opioid alkaloids like morphine and codeine, but herion is not naturally produced by any plants....

-E. Borodin




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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: CLIT]
    #21705583 - 05/21/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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people do not get high off morphine or codeine like that? I would assume it's a safer and more natural fix?

Would cocaine then be "natural" but what's up with the chemical precursors to turn it into powder form? Shouldn't there be a natural extraction method of it from coca leaves into smokeable form (atleast) and not necessarily HCL for snorting?

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Poppies do not produce herion (diacetyl-morphine) which is semi-senthetic and does not occor in nature....

Poppies produce opioid alkaloids like morphine and codeine, but herion is not naturally produced by any plants....

-E. Borodin








To obtain natural alkaloids an extraction must be performed, with cocaine they use kerosine as a solvent, every extraction will require a chemical solvent that the alkaloid is soluble in, but as the solvent is evaporated or removed under vacuum, the natural plant alkaloid is left in a fairly pure form, with the chemicals from the extraction process all being removed and not left in the final product. So even though man extracted these compounds, it was the plant that naturally produced them.

Morphine is natural, the poppies latex is collected (this is raw opium) and then the morphine is extracted from it, this is where the natural part ends...then:
The morphine then has 2 acetyl groups added on to the structure of the molecule via a man-made chemical process, this is why "diacetyl-morphine" or "heroin" is not natural, its made by man not the plant, the plant only gives us the precursor "morphine"

I was simply making the point that poppies don't produce heroin (diacetyl-motphine).

Poppies do produce codeine, morphine, and several other natural opioids, but diacetyl-morphine isn't one of them....

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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Distorted Vision]
    #21705617 - 05/21/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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who read the latest news about a heroin bust in NYC, 150 pounds of heroin worth 50 million? Is that price about right or just estimate?




If people buy grams for $740, then yes. It's worth more like 6.5  mil - 7 mil if he sold grams for a price that he would never get rid of it all in his life time.

More like 2 mil. worth for the big guy.




Herion is the cheapest drug on the market, .25g costs $20, grams go for $60-80....

Drug agencies are full of shit when the make up these outrageous price estimates....

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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21709091 - 05/22/15 03:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Why isn't morphine a preferred drug by most who uses heroin considering it would be as natural as weed or shrooms and even cocaine? Perhaps a simpler and safer process as well? Then again "china white" is really fentanyl so some people who may think they are using heroin are really using fentanyl.

this is how I view this; in cocaine extraction for example: put the coca leaves in a flask add extractor/solvent, let sit for awhile, using a filter, pour the mixture into another flask, then that liquid is where the cocaine is? No longer in the leaves, right? The leaves can be dumped. So how does one crystalize the liquid to turn into cocaine crystrals? Evaporation? I'm not quite sure how using a hydrochloric and sulfuric acid crystalizes something liquid.

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CLIT said:
people do not get high off morphine or codeine like that? I would assume it's a safer and more natural fix?

Would cocaine then be "natural" but what's up with the chemical precursors to turn it into powder form? Shouldn't there be a natural extraction method of it from coca leaves into smokeable form (atleast) and not necessarily HCL for snorting?

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Coincidentiaoppositorum said:
Poppies do not produce herion (diacetyl-morphine) which is semi-senthetic and does not occor in nature....

Poppies produce opioid alkaloids like morphine and codeine, but herion is not naturally produced by any plants....

-E. Borodin








To obtain natural alkaloids an extraction must be performed, with cocaine they use kerosine as a solvent, every extraction will require a chemical solvent that the alkaloid is soluble in, but as the solvent is evaporated or removed under vacuum, the natural plant alkaloid is left in a fairly pure form, with the chemicals from the extraction process all being removed and not left in the final product. So even though man extracted these compounds, it was the plant that naturally produced them.

Morphine is natural, the poppies latex is collected (this is raw opium) and then the morphine is extracted from it, this is where the natural part ends...then:
The morphine then has 2 acetyl groups added on to the structure of the molecule via a man-made chemical process, this is why "diacetyl-morphine" or "heroin" is not natural, its made by man not the plant, the plant only gives us the precursor "morphine"

I was simply making the point that poppies don't produce heroin (diacetyl-motphine).

Poppies do produce codeine, morphine, and several other natural opioids, but diacetyl-morphine isn't one of them....

-E. Borodin




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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: CLIT]
    #21709284 - 05/22/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Morphine is not prefered because its actually fairly weak, diacetylmorphine is much much more active in the opioid receptors and has a higher binding affinity at the mu opioid receptors.

Though people do chop down home-grown opioid poppies ad brew a tea from them that contains multiple opioids and can be quite strong.... https://www.erowid.org/plants/poppy/poppy_info2.shtml

Here's cocaine extract basics:

Step 1

The coca leaves are put into an above ground container or in a plastic lined pit. An alkaline material (sodium carbonate) and water are added to the leaves. Here the alkaline material enables the cocaine alkaloid present in the leaf to be extracted into the kerosene.

Step 2

A water immiscible solvent (kerosene) is added to water, solution and leaves. The mixture is then agitated. Usually this is accomplished by having several people stomp on the leaves. The solvent acts to extract water insoluble cocaine alkaloids from the alkaline solution.

Step 3

Cocaine alkaloids and kerosene separate from the water and leaves. The water and leaves are then drained off.

Step 4

Cocaine alkaloids are extracted from the kerosene into a dilute acid solution (H2SO4). Alkaline material (sodium carbonate) is added to the remaining solution which causes a precipitate to form. The acid and the water are drained off and the precipitate is filtered and dried to produce coca paste, a chunky off-white to light brown, putty-like substance. As a guide to relative quantities of coca leaf and the resultant amount of coca paste, 250 pounds of dried coca leaf should provide approx. 2.2 pounds of coca paste. This is assuming the leaf is "worked" for a couple of days. The paste will contain approx. 30 percent cocaine alkaloid and 10 percent ecgonine depending on the variety and quality of the coca leaf.


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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21709291 - 05/22/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Above was cocaine leaf to cocaine paste, here is cocaine paste to freebase:

Step 1

The coca paste is added to sulfuric acid or hydrochloric acid and water. The paste is dissolved into the acid solution.

Step 2

Potassium permanganate is combined with water. This mixture is added to the coca paste and acid solution. Potassium permanganate is used in this step to extract other alkaloids and material that are undesired in the final product. In particular, potassium permanganate is used to break down the alkaloid ciscinnamoylcocaine which is found in large concentrations in E. Novogranatense varieties. If the coca paste has a high concentration of this alkaloid and potassium permanganate is not used then crystallisation of cocaine HCl will be very difficult to achieve.

Step 3

This mixture is allowed to stand for about six hours.

Step 4

The solution is filtered and the precipitate is discarded. Ammonia water (ammonium hydroxide) is added to the filtered solution and another precipitate is formed.

Step 5

The liquid is drained from the solution and the remaining precipitate is usually dried with heating lamps. The resulting powder is cocaine base with a roughly one to one conversion ratio from paste to base. ie. 2.2 pounds of paste results in roughly the same weight in base. It is common in Colombia to skip the base stage of cocaine processing by going from coca paste right to cocaine HCl. This can be accomplished by eliminating the last part of step four in coca paste processing and skipping to step two of the cocaine base phase where the coca paste is added to the potassium permanganate solution.


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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21709297 - 05/22/15 06:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Here is cocaine freebase to cocaine HCL

Step 1

Acetone or ether is added to dissolve the cocaine base and the solution is filtered to remove undesirable material.

Step 2

Hydrochloric acid diluted in acetone or ether is added to the cocaine solution. The addition of the hydrochloric acid causes the cocaine to precipitate (crystallise) out of the solution as cocaine hydrochloride. The HCl is then filtered out for drying.

Step 3

The remaining acetone/ether solvent can be discarded or reused.

Step 4

Cocaine HCl is dried under heat lamps, laid out to dry with the aid of fans, or dried in microwave ovens. The yield from 1 kg of base will vary widely, depending on quality of coca base and efficiency of processing, but should be approx. 1 pound.


https://www.erowid.org/archive/rhodium/chemistry/coca2cocaine.html

The link above goes in depth and should further answer your questions



















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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: Coincidentiaoppositorum]
    #21712928 - 05/23/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So pretty much it's as easy as drying shrooms as well? I dried mines laying on paper towels for a day in front of electric fan aka air drying.


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Re: Home-brewed heroin? Scientists create yeast that can make sugar into opiates [Re: CLIT]
    #21713240 - 05/23/15 07:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

...more or less, while extracting THC in butane you are left with a BHO/THC liquid, you have it in a glass pot, then you put the bottom of said glass pot into boiling water, and within a minute all the butane evaporates and your left with golden THC...so there are quicker ways than blowing a fan over the solvents surface, some ways require putting the solvent under vacuum for quick evaporation....

You can throw your fresh mushrooms into a toaster-oven (NOT a toaster) for speedy, mold free, drying....

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