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shroom breakthrough dosage?
    #21694456 - 05/18/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I am wondering if there is a certain threshold on cubes where all the confusion and anxiety disappear because you're so far gone. In my experience,  the higher the dose, the more chaotic and unenjoyable the trip goes. I prefer in between 2-3.5. Anything more and I start to believe I am dying and start having bad moments of terror.

Does this feeling shake off once you dose high enough? Or do you just learn to cope better and trip harder? haha


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #21694552 - 05/18/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

5 g's ground up into powder and drank in orange juice always did wonders for a nice breakthrough dose.

Its kinda like weight training.

At first the death experiences scare the fuck out of you and takes a lot out of you, but if you practice enough you kinda learn techniques to sort of pass through the death barrier with less overwhelming panic. Its still fucking terrifying but not something traumatizing. usually.

but you dont really get into the really really deep end of that until you fuck around with high doses of pharmahuasca.

there is no cut off point, the higher the dose, the scarier it becomes.

300mg oral is as far as i can push pharmahuasca without it probably causing some seriously traumatizing experience


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #21694646 - 05/18/15 01:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I am wondering if there is a certain threshold on cubes where all the confusion and anxiety disappear because you're so far gone. In my experience,  the higher the dose, the more chaotic and unenjoyable the trip goes. I prefer in between 2-3.5. Anything more and I start to believe I am dying and start having bad moments of terror.

Does this feeling shake off once you dose high enough? Or do you just learn to cope better and trip harder? haha



IMO, you just have to learn to cope and become calm with the effects. My highest dose I've done so far has been 5 grams, and that has blown me into both complete psychedelia, and also into where I got lost in my kitchen and kept shrinking and growing.

You just need to realize that you'll be fine, but in the end there is no such thing as "getting used to it". At least not entirely.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Achillita]
    #21694804 - 05/18/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Haha alright. Then I will work my way up. I'll get to 5 one day... one frightening beautiful day...


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #21694824 - 05/18/15 02:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just don't be afraid and accept whatever comes. That's my best advice, other than your own experience.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Heisencybin]
    #21694834 - 05/18/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Haha alright. Then I will work my way up. I'll get to 5 one day... one frightening beautiful day...




This particular day, do it late at night, alone, in low-light conditions. Then you get the most out of it.
Relax and keep calm, you'll be fine.

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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21694842 - 05/18/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i only trip at night alone in silent darkness in bed, its not a pleasant  experience for me usually if i dont.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #21694856 - 05/18/15 02:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

See I really can't do that. On shrooms, they seem like they want to guide me to certain places. Me sitting in my room just makes me sweaty and feel uncomfortable. I can trip in my room, but usually not for long.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Achillita]
    #21694879 - 05/18/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I took my highest dose on my last trip, (4-5 dried grams) I did something i now believe was slightly foolish. First I made mushroom tea with 2 lemons, let it soak for about 15 mins.. then I drank it. About 10 minutes later, I went the extra mile and swallowed the actual mushrooms that I made the tea with. Later on, I began having auditory hallucinations which is a phenomena i hadn't experienced previously.. I was tripping hard, and the trip lasted like 10 hours.. At one point I experienced some kind of death or ego death which caused me feel like I had lost control of my thoughts, and would never be the same, etc. Of course I came down eventually lol and smoked large amounts of cannabis to recover but It was a frightening ordeal to go through.

My advice would be to take some 3-4 g trips about a week or two before you do the 5 g dose so that when the day does come, you will have those recent previous trips under your belt to use as a reference and help ease you into the effects of a larger dose..

Terence Mckenna used to say ' I always approach a psychedelic trip with fear and trembling ' This philosophy is so true because its always slightly frightening to enter the unknown, even us who have more extensive experience still feel the anxiety that comes from exploring new dimensions haha.

Anyway, work your way up until you are comfortable, but even then take caution and always have your set and setting in the best condition. Make sure you have items like trip toys, music, maybe some weed. There are different factors that can influence the direction that a trip goes but a lot of it depends on your personal make up at the time.. Good Luck!!!:mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::mushroom2::thumbup:


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Purplecapz]
    #21694912 - 05/18/15 03:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

6 grams (lemon tekked) + 3.5 grams of rue has consistently put me in a breakthrough state.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Filterhead462]
    #21694939 - 05/18/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

How does that go, josh? what is it like and what do you encounter that is not usually encountered on smaller doses? im curious..


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Purplecapz] * 1
    #21694992 - 05/18/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

For me it goes beyond visuals, it puts me in this state which I describe as the mathematical inner workings to everything.
Consistently I aim to reach this state and I found that smaller doses can bring me to the edge but no further, it's like a switch is flicked when one breaks through to this state, visuals change from looking organic and ancient to something beyond words

Will be seeing in a couple of weeks of Oral DMT can take me there


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Filterhead462]
    #21695039 - 05/18/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So there IS a breakthrough threshold? you hit a certain point where all that built up anxiety and confusion cease and you are left in this other dimension type trip? Kinda like you trip so hard that you forget that you're human or how to react to any emotion such as fear?

Anyways, I love taking 4 plus grams but i do it throughout the night. Make like 2-3 cups of tea with like 2-3 grams each.

That along with lying down somewhere comfy like my bed with my trusty little mindfold and nature sounds in the background. I also set up the room in black light for when I decide to take mindfold off and explore or watch a nature show. Seems to be my favorite routine thus far.

I remember lemon tek ing 2.5 grams after tripping for an hour on just 2 grams. Then I hit the bong a few times as I was coming up... holy shit, I really thought I might die and was breathing pretty hard on a sweaty couch for awhile. Quick and frightening lol. I do not want that. But if I were to push it further to a level 5, would these fears subside or would I have the worst trip ever considering I can barely handle an 8th at once without losing it for a moment or so. And in a bad way.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Filterhead462]
    #21695250 - 05/18/15 05:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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For me it goes beyond visuals, it puts me in this state which I describe as the mathematical inner workings to everything.
Consistently I aim to reach this state and I found that smaller doses can bring me to the edge but no further, it's like a switch is flicked when one breaks through to this state, visuals change from looking organic and ancient to something beyond words

Will be seeing in a couple of weeks of Oral DMT can take me there



in my experience rue with mushrooms and rue with 4-aco-dmt are extremely powerful but still cant touch pharmahuasca(oral dmt), pharmahuasca is the highest you can possible be on any drug.

Its literally death. at the right dose.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #21695251 - 05/18/15 05:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i can do mushroom or 4-acohuasca like nothing and have it not faze me in the slightest, but with pharmahuasca, fuck no, im terrified of that shit.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: SleepyE]
    #21695482 - 05/18/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Planning on doing 4 grams of rue and 250mg of DMT in two weeks, looking forward to experiencing the full power of the spirit molecule.


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Filterhead462]
    #21695572 - 05/18/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Planning on doing 4 grams of rue and 250mg of DMT in two weeks, looking forward to experiencing the full power of the spirit molecule.




Apparently syrian rue can get hairy at higher doses. It may be preferable to use Banisteriopsis Caapi or do a Manske extraction of the rue. Good luck!


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Re: shroom breakthrough dosage? [Re: Filterhead462]
    #21695628 - 05/18/15 07:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Planning on doing 4 grams of rue and 250mg of DMT in two weeks, looking forward to experiencing the full power of the spirit molecule.



250mg is farr too much for a first time but if you insist.

150mg is massively intense on its own, thats what i did first time.


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