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Question regarding fruiting chamber
#21694310 - 05/18/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hello shroomery,
Background: I have 8 consolidated BRF cakes without contamination and a delicious smell of mushrooms, which I put to fruit into my fruiting chamber.
Long version: While I was drilling my tote to make a SGFC with the cakes submerged already since the previous night, the shitty cheap Ikea drill I was using burned down. I had barely finished the bottom side of the box. Since the cakes had to be removed from the bath and rolled, I just went ahead and proceeded normally by putting moist perlite on the bottom and lining up the cakes on top of tinfoil coasters. To salvage the situation, I cut a hole in the lid and tubed in my reptile ultrasonic mist maker (which I set to run on minimum for 30 min every 6 hours), and poked in another hole for an aquarium pump on the side which runs continuously. I also punched in a bigger hole on the opposing side w.r.t. the pump and stuck in a section of a pipe with a poked latex glove on the exit, as to have a sort of positive pressure valve. I let it on a test run for the whole night and in the morning the humidity was 99% (actually the hygrometer was "over" the max) but there was a weird smell inside the box (which could still be perlite, i'm guessing), yet the cakes when taken out and sniffed one by one still smelled of mushrooms like before. So I thought the problem could be not enough FAE (screw that aquarium pump!) so I tried leaving on the tote without a lit and everything still going as before. As I got back home from work (after 12h~) the humidity was still 99% and the temperature 23 * C, which I think is adequate. The final question then would be, is it a problem to let the cakes fruit without the lid on? The "only" issue I see might arise is contamination, but at this point the mycelium is supposedly very resilient, while drying out is not occurring because of the mist maker. Otherwise, could I just put back the lid and mist morning and afternoon? Also, having a constant humidity of 99% is desired from all guides, but maybe it is not so good after all. Should I increase the time between activations of the mist maker? Buying a new drill is out of question.
tl;dr: Is a perlite lined fruiting chamber with BRF cakes bad to keep without the lid (with a reptile mist maker which keeps humidity > 99% constantly and an aquarium water pump) on during the day?
Thanks everyone.
inb4 don't deviate from the TEK / omg muh SGFC / etc.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21694333 - 05/18/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can't have them in 99% humidity all the time. They need to have airflow and dry out between listings. Why could you not buy a cheap drill? A brand new corded one is like 20 bucks. You could also heat up a screwdriver or something 1/4 inch and melt through to finish your sgfc. I would recommend finishing it.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21694345 - 05/18/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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h3aling said: To salvage the situation, I cut a hole in the lid and tubed in my reptile ultrasonic mist maker (which I set to run on minimum for 30 min every 6 hours), and poked in another hole for an aquarium pump on the side which runs continuously.

Ditch the mister and air pimp....it is not needed at all with a SGFC...in fact it's holding your cakes back....
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h3aling said: I let it on a test run for the whole night and in the morning the humidity was 99% (actually the hygrometer was "over" the max) but there was a weird smell inside the box (which could still be perlite, i'm guessing), yet the cakes when taken out and sniffed one by one still smelled of mushrooms like before. So I thought the problem could be not enough FAE (screw that aquarium pump!) so I tried leaving on the tote without a lit and everything still going as before. As I got back home from work (after 12h~) the humidity was still 99% and the temperature 23 * C, which I think is adequate.

But it's not....you do not want a constant high RH level, you want a constant fluctuation of RH so evaporation can take place. Why this awful info about keeping the highest possible RH level persists is beyond me...mushrooms need constant fresh air more than constant high humidity.
An electronic mister and air pump is not going to take the place of manually misting your cakes. You would still need to do this.
Evaporation off the cakes is a main pinning trigger. And taking the lid off helped all of nothing...
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h3aling said: The final question then would be, is it a problem to let the cakes fruit without the lid on?
Yes, it is a problem.
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h3aling said: Otherwise, could I just put back the lid and mist morning and afternoon?

Yes, after you ditch the pump and mister.
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h3aling said: Should I increase the time between activations of the mist maker? Buying a new drill is out of question.
Did you get thru drilling out all 6 sides? or just the bottom?
If just the bottom, you need to finish making the SGFC....if your tool broke, take it back and get another one...
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h3aling said: inb4 don't deviate from the TEK / omg muh SGFC / etc.
But you did deviate from the tek.....just like most noobs.....so fix it.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: PussyFart]
#21694374 - 05/18/15 12:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thank you.
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You always sound like you hate people asking questions but you're also the only one always answering them so I know you have a heart of gold deep inside (/irony)
The very reason why I made this thread was to know whether or not there was a way to avoid having to finish the SGFC and keep it as is now (only bottom with holes in it atm), but I am guessing that's out of question then. I hope the cakes dont get fucked before I get a new tool.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21694450 - 05/18/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You always sound like you hate people asking questions but you're also the only one always answering them so I know you have a heart of gold deep inside (/irony)
Lol...it's probably because folks always are saying they followed the tek to the T...then the very next sentence is ALWAYS how they fuckin deviated from the tek lol... PussyFart must translate into "search function" in some language lmmfao
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: LocN9ne]
#21694455 - 05/18/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmmmm that quote did not come out correctly... I must have deviated from the "quote tek"
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: LocN9ne]
#21694537 - 05/18/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you want good results follow whatever TEK you are using...
For the most part these TEKS are tried and true.
The ones that are not are generally weeded out quickly...
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Hey guys, I went ahead and got another drill and finished the FC in the Shotgun fashion and my cakes have been sitting there since Tuesday (plus 2 days before I drilled holes on the sides and bottom). I am keeping high RH through spraying with a water bottle and fanning 3 times per day. The cakes smell just like the first day of fresh mushrooms but I am yet to see any pin. They look *exactly* like the first day I put them to fruit. I keep the tote in front of a window with a light curtain so that it takes diffused light during the day, and the inside temperature of the bin is 23 * C with variations of 0.5 * C. Am I just being impatient? From journals, TEKs, videos, etc pins are supposed to pop out in 3-5 days, so do you think there is some kind of problem with my cakes? With the chamber?
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21710800 - 05/22/15 02:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Be patient. Let the cakes dry out a bit between mistings.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: Matt87]
#21711244 - 05/22/15 04:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah patience... I've had some brf cakes take 3 weeks to pin... ugghh
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: LocN9ne]
#21711637 - 05/22/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Thanks for your insight. Regarding letting them dry a bit, I mist at 8,18 and 23 so I am quite positive that the evaporation has time to take place in between (those are the times I go to work, come back and go to sleep at). I'll keep waiting impatiently
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21711802 - 05/22/15 07:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Don't trip...there will be plenty of trippin in your future.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: LocN9ne]
#21711854 - 05/22/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Op, may I ask, are you a girl? Chicks did owls.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: Matt87]
#21713008 - 05/23/15 04:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Matt87 said: Op, may I ask, are you a girl? Chicks did owls.
You may. I am not a girl and I can't seem to understand the second part of your post lol
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21713025 - 05/23/15 04:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ohh snap! Your avatar is a cat not an owl. Derp.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: Matt87]
#21724388 - 05/26/15 10:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ooooooooooh shit guys. I just got home from work and inspecting the cakes I found out TWO mini shrooms. The problem is, they are growing from beneath the base of the cakes. Is that bad/counterproductive? Instictively, I turned all the cakes upside down to let them grow freely. Was this a mistake? Thanks
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21724682 - 05/26/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea, flip them back. Those mushrooms grew there because the conditions were favorable. You just changed all that. Changing the orientation also confuses the mycelium since it is usually trying to grow mushrooms upwards. You just changed what up means.
It could be due to the rest of the cake being dry. Are you misting enough?
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: LocN9ne]
#21724697 - 05/26/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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LocN9ne said:
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PussyFart said: mega cut
You always sound like you hate people asking questions but you're also the only one always answering them so I know you have a heart of gold deep inside (/irony)
Lol...it's probably because folks always are saying they followed the tek to the T...then the very next sentence is ALWAYS how they fuckin deviated from the tek lol... PussyFart must translate into "search function" in some language lmmfao
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21724704 - 05/26/15 12:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said: Yea, flip them back. Those mushrooms grew there because the conditions were favorable. You just changed all that. Changing the orientation also confuses the mycelium since it is usually trying to grow mushrooms upwards. You just changed what up means.
It could be due to the rest of the cake being dry. Are you misting enough?
Thanks for replying. I asked because the two shroomes are growing "squished" under the cake, so I thought those were not exactly favorable conditions. I will turn them upside down again then. The terrarium has > 90% RH constantly and I fan 3/4 times a day while i mist twice. Would dunking them again do any good? h3
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21724714 - 05/26/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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h3aling said:
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GreenRabbit said: Yea, flip them back. Those mushrooms grew there because the conditions were favorable. You just changed all that. Changing the orientation also confuses the mycelium since it is usually trying to grow mushrooms upwards. You just changed what up means.
It could be due to the rest of the cake being dry. Are you misting enough?
Thanks for replying. I asked because the two shroomes are growing "squished" under the cake, so I thought those were not exactly favorable conditions. I will turn them upside down again then. The terrarium has > 90% RH constantly and I fan 3/4 times a day while i mist twice. Would dunking them again do any good? h3
No, don't redunk. They are fruiting, just let them do their thing. You don't need humidity to be high, you just need the cakes to be wet all the time.
Just read your first post more carefully. So you don't have holes in the bottom of the SGFC? Those are the most important.. Fix the SGFC then you'll be fine
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21724719 - 05/26/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You can get some monster mushrooms growing from underneath the cake, in my last grow I had some very decent sized mushrooms that grew from underneath it was very cool
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21724752 - 05/26/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said:
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h3aling said:
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GreenRabbit said: Yea, flip them back. Those mushrooms grew there because the conditions were favorable. You just changed all that. Changing the orientation also confuses the mycelium since it is usually trying to grow mushrooms upwards. You just changed what up means.
It could be due to the rest of the cake being dry. Are you misting enough?
Thanks for replying. I asked because the two shroomes are growing "squished" under the cake, so I thought those were not exactly favorable conditions. I will turn them upside down again then. The terrarium has > 90% RH constantly and I fan 3/4 times a day while i mist twice. Would dunking them again do any good? h3
No, don't redunk. They are fruiting, just let them do their thing. You don't need humidity to be high, you just need the cakes to be wet all the time.
Just read your first post more carefully. So you don't have holes in the bottom of the SGFC? Those are the most important.. Fix the SGFC then you'll be fine
No yeah, I fixed it. I now have a proper SGFC and set aside all the machinery. I fan with the lid of the box and mist with a spray bottle. Honestly I was losing hope as it's been 10 days since I put them into fruiting but this was an unexpectedly good surprise I had today. I will let nature do its course.
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Straya said: You can get some monster mushrooms growing from underneath the cake, in my last grow I had some very decent sized mushrooms that grew from underneath it was very cool
Sounds great, I hope to get something decent as well!
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21744367 - 05/31/15 10:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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[BUMP] Hello guys. So we're 2 weeks in and something is definitely wrong here. Of the two shrooms that were growing from beneath the base of two different cakes, one is the exact same size as before, while the other got WAY fatter, but not much longer. It is probably the size of tip of my thumb. The other 6 cakes still smell like fresh mushrooms, have no contamination/mold/fuzz, are properly misted and fanned daily but show no sign of pinning whatsoever. The weird thing is that the fat shroom has already torn the veil and opened the cap. Is this not supposed to happen once the mushrooms reaches full maturity? What the hell is wrong with my tek? As always, any input is greatly appreciated. h3
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21749046 - 06/01/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21749098 - 06/01/15 03:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Sorry.. pull the big one and wait on the smaller one to open. Keep misting/fanning
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: Matt87]
#21751326 - 06/02/15 02:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Do you how any idea regarding what might be causing this? Should I wait for it to mature first?
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21751334 - 06/02/15 02:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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h3aling said: [BUMP] Hello guys. So we're 2 weeks in and something is definitely wrong here. Of the two shrooms that were growing from beneath the base of two different cakes, one is the exact same size as before, while the other got WAY fatter, but not much longer. It is probably the size of tip of my thumb. The other 6 cakes still smell like fresh mushrooms, have no contamination/mold/fuzz, are properly misted and fanned daily but show no sign of pinning whatsoever. The weird thing is that the fat shroom has already torn the veil and opened the cap. Is this not supposed to happen once the mushrooms reaches full maturity? What the hell is wrong with my tek? As always, any input is greatly appreciated. h3
assuming you are working with multispore, you will see a wide variance in fruit size/shape/features/ect...this is normal. once the veil breaks harvest your fruit. pick them as they mature, you can let them go a little longer but you are only adding water weight. If you want uniform flushes, I would suggest looking into cloning.
as for the other cakes be patient...it takes a while sometimes. remember to give them lots of fae.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: sooperdooper]
#21751590 - 06/02/15 06:48 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Post pics so we can hopefully identify some issues
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: Straya]
#21752226 - 06/02/15 11:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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good vibes and good luck dude 
I know about multispores not being consistent but from what I saw in other reports / time lapse videos of people using spore syringes once a cake starts fruiting, the others follow shortly after.
So you recommend to harvest the "big one" right now, even though it is still short? [See pics below]
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Here they are
Apprently 1 new pin came out right today!
Edit: To clarify before it gets asked: The tablecloth is wet because i spilled the bottle, the shrooms/sides of the box are damp because I took the pictures right after misting
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21752351 - 06/02/15 11:36 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Only thing I would mention is on your next grow to add 4 inches of perlite. If those holes are correctly 2 inches apart then you haven't got 4 inches there. Just keep watering consistently, fan them for 15-30 seconds with the lid. Don't move them around too much and keep the light on them.
It will eventually work, the only thing i'm thinking is when i only watered mine once or twice a day they stalled for AGESSSSSSSSSSSS... They need water to thrive and constant misting promotes growth heaps. Keep at it bro, and to ease your mind just start another batch to keep you occupied.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: Straya]
#21752375 - 06/02/15 11:44 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Straya said: Only thing I would mention is on your next grow to add 4 inches of perlite. If those holes are correctly 2 inches apart then you haven't got 4 inches there. Just keep watering consistently, fan them for 15-30 seconds with the lid. Don't move them around too much and keep the light on them.
It will eventually work, the only thing i'm thinking is when i only watered mine once or twice a day they stalled for AGESSSSSSSSSSSS... They need water to thrive and constant misting promotes growth heaps. Keep at it bro, and to ease your mind just start another batch to keep you occupied.
Thanks buddy, I appreciate you taking your time. The perlite is a bit short of 10 cm in height, and it's the content of a full bag I dumped inside so I thought it was enough and did not open the new bag.
Another thing I'm wondering is, the strain is supposedly B+, yet the shroom doesn't like the B+ pictures I've seen. Could it not be B+? In case it is, what could cause the cap to go all wrinkly like that?
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
#21752957 - 06/02/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another thing I'm wondering is, the strain is supposedly B+, yet the shroom doesn't like the B+ pictures I've seen. Could it not be B+? In case it is, what could cause the cap to go all wrinkly like that?
roll of the genetic dice...ive had a few strains give out wavy caps like that...It could be a mislabeled syringe but who knows.
as for the one shroom making a break for it, some just grow faster than others. If you had agar i would suggest cloning that bad boy. It could also be a moisture issue due to such a shallow perlite depth.
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: sooperdooper]
#21752981 - 06/02/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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h3aling said:
Another thing I'm wondering is, the strain is supposedly B+, yet the shroom doesn't like the B+ pictures I've seen. Could it not be B+? In case it is, what could cause the cap to go all wrinkly like that?
roll of the genetic dice...ive had a few strains give out wavy caps like that...It could be a mislabeled syringe but who knows.
as for the one shroom making a break for it, some just grow faster than others. If you had agar i would suggest cloning that bad boy. It could also be a moisture issue due to such a shallow perlite depth. 
In fact, I have some agar dishes ready to go... I think will do just that. About the perlite, isn't 4 inches = 10cm?
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Re: Question regarding fruiting chamber [Re: h3aling]
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