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Psilosoulful

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What causes clustering during the fruiting phase?
#21694237 - 05/18/15 11:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Day 4 of fruiting and my tub is looking pretty good. I was just wondering what's causing the clustering at the top of the tub?
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21694246 - 05/18/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Its genetics.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Th3Issu3]
#21694350 - 05/18/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Honestly, my opinion on why mushrooms cluster is to be able to disperse the spores together, increasing the chance to colonize the surrounding area. I've noticed this quite a lot in the wild actually. Mushrooms will cluster up and shoot spores all at once.
Sometimes the whole area will, but there is always slight aging differences. But yeah in the end, it all comes down to genetics.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Achillita]
#21694519 - 05/18/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hell yea...! You want those clusters. I would take some tissue from those fuckers and put them to agar for some clones...
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
#21694528 - 05/18/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Not all mushrooms cluster though. Idk why they do it but they do.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: 36fuckin5]
#21695014 - 05/18/15 03:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Should i still be misting and fanning every day or should i just leave it alone?
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21695080 - 05/18/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You should be able to leave it alone if the poly fill is dailed in correctly.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Achillita]
#21695129 - 05/18/15 04:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Okay that's good because I'm using a mist and fan tek and i improvised by adding in small holes(about 1/2 inch) in the top tub to increase FAE to help increase the size of the fruits. The tek I'm using says to mist/fan 3x a day. These are the tubs they use:

Would misting/fanning be necessary in this case because the tub I'm using doesn't have holes near the surface layer to decrease C02 buildup?
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Achillita]
#21695131 - 05/18/15 04:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP, you might want to change your avatar to avoid confusion.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: NumeroEno]
#21695138 - 05/18/15 04:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Achillita said: Honestly, my opinion on why mushrooms cluster is to be able to disperse the spores together, increasing the chance to colonize the surrounding area. I've noticed this quite a lot in the wild actually. Mushrooms will cluster up and shoot spores all at once.
Sometimes the whole area will, but there is always slight aging differences. But yeah in the end, it all comes down to genetics.
This is an interesting thought. It could be a survival technique to ensure that the cluster drops spores (in case one is trampled or eaten). Also, the caps could be pointed in slightly different directions which would help spores disperse.
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NumeroEno said: OP, you might want to change your avatar to avoid confusion.
and yea... definitely got me at first..
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: NumeroEno]
#21695186 - 05/18/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: OP, you might want to change your avatar to avoid confusion.
Yea i was looking for a new one, i forgot that someone had this avatar first.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21695210 - 05/18/15 04:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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GreenRabbit said:
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Achillita said: Honestly, my opinion on why mushrooms cluster is to be able to disperse the spores together, increasing the chance to colonize the surrounding area. I've noticed this quite a lot in the wild actually. Mushrooms will cluster up and shoot spores all at once.
Sometimes the whole area will, but there is always slight aging differences. But yeah in the end, it all comes down to genetics.
This is an interesting thought. It could be a survival technique to ensure that the cluster drops spores (in case one is trampled or eaten). Also, the caps could be pointed in slightly different directions which would help spores disperse.
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NumeroEno said: OP, you might want to change your avatar to avoid confusion.
and yea... definitely got me at first..
Just changed it.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21695329 - 05/18/15 05:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cheers man. On topic, I'm not sure what causes clusters, but the craziest clusters I ever got were from a tub with a thick casing layer.

I think cloning a good cluster will help you get more as well.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: NumeroEno]
#21695469 - 05/18/15 06:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: Cheers man. On topic, I'm not sure what causes clusters, but the craziest clusters I ever got were from a tub with a thick casing layer.

I think cloning a good cluster will help you get more as well.
Yea thats crazy, I'm not complaining tho this should be a great first flush!
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: NumeroEno]
#21695486 - 05/18/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i had good one on uncased substrates 

u can see where i took the clone here
 
gave descend result
  
so if u want to take a clones, cluster are very good candidate
and for the OP's question,.. genetic
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: cArcace-x]
#21695538 - 05/18/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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cArcace-x said: i had good one on uncased substrates 

u can see where i took the clone here
 
gave descend result
  
so if u want to take a clones, cluster are very good candidate
and for the OP's question,.. genetic
Wow those look great!! I will definitely look into cloning.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21695551 - 05/18/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i see some good candidates in your tub man the biggest cluster with smaller fruits on the right, on top of the pic
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: cArcace-x]
#21695749 - 05/18/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Genetics for sure, and the theory on clusters to release more spores at once is smart. Also surface area, if for some reason there's more in one area than another.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: OneBigMushroom]
#21696193 - 05/18/15 09:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great advice on cloning.
Clone those clusters! If you're new to agar, here: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21696689 - 05/18/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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TheEaglesGift said: Great advice on cloning.
Clone those clusters! If you're new to agar, here: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar
Thanks for the links!! Can't wait for my next grow
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: NumeroEno]
#21696824 - 05/19/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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NumeroEno said: Cheers man. On topic, I'm not sure what causes clusters, but the craziest clusters I ever got were from a tub with a thick casing layer.

I think cloning a good cluster will help you get more as well.
Are them aa+? i have some going nd they are clustering like crazy!!
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: kushroom]
#21697289 - 05/19/15 06:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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On my last run I had lots of individual shrooms on the first flush with little clustering. On the second flush there was lots of clustering? This may lead me to believe that it was growing conditions and not genetics? Or perhaps it is a strategy used by the shrooms for reproduction?
Anyhow it makes for easy picking when they cluster.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Fodo]
#21697455 - 05/19/15 07:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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UPDATE:
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21705689 - 05/21/15 09:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Psilosoulful said:
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TheEaglesGift said: Great advice on cloning.
Clone those clusters! If you're new to agar, here: Pastywhyte's Easy Agar Tek Stro's Cleaning and Isolating On Agar
Thanks for the links!! Can't wait for my next grow 
Man im so excited aswell i just got some agar in, i feel like a little kid on Christmas right now, another few dab hits than off to the lab :p
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: kushroom]
#21706248 - 05/21/15 12:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Fodo]
#21706493 - 05/21/15 01:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fodo said: On my last run I had lots of individual shrooms on the first flush with little clustering. On the second flush there was lots of clustering? This may lead me to believe that it was growing conditions and not genetics? Or perhaps it is a strategy used by the shrooms for reproduction?
Anyhow it makes for easy picking when they cluster.
Different genetics will be expressed in each flush, unless its an isolate.
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Stipe-n Cap]
#21706540 - 05/21/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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p9hu7 said:
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Fodo said: On my last run I had lots of individual shrooms on the first flush with little clustering. On the second flush there was lots of clustering? This may lead me to believe that it was growing conditions and not genetics? Or perhaps it is a strategy used by the shrooms for reproduction?
Anyhow it makes for easy picking when they cluster.
Different genetics will be expressed in each flush, unless its an isolate.
Can you explain this? How do the genetics differ in later flushes?
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: GreenRabbit]
#21707337 - 05/21/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: What causes clustering during the fruiting phase? [Re: Psilosoulful]
#21707383 - 05/21/15 06:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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In MS not every flush is of the same genetics, so what appears to be the second or third flush may actually be the first of a different strain.
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