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InvisibleSwami
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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170613 - 12/09/03 01:22 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

There is a reason for something like what you experienced happening repeatedly.
And you know this how?

You have to find out "why".
Why do I have to figure out why? Avoidance works quite well with no puzzle to solve.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170624 - 12/09/03 01:32 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Swami said:
There is a reason for something like what you experienced happening repeatedly.
And you know this how?




Sigh. I just know.

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You have to find out "why".
Why do I have to figure out why? Avoidance works quite well with no puzzle to solve.




Well, for me, the reason I have to find out "why" is because I am on a mission to figure out the meaning of life. So when someone tells me something like what you told me, or told the forum, I think that maybe you are like me, and want to know "why?".

Life is mah-vul-us!!! And the answer is there, or here, or where ever you or whoever is.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170627 - 12/09/03 01:34 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

I have one thing to say to that...

Patterns=key! :smirk:


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170634 - 12/09/03 01:37 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Sigh. I just know.

That is most helpful. Do not many people "just know" things that are completely erroneous?


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170651 - 12/09/03 01:48 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Swami said:
Sigh. I just know.

That is most helpful. Do not many people "just know" things that are completely erroneous?




Yes, that is true. But keep in mind I am not here to tell anyone anything that is true for them. I only know what is true for me.

Look, I am pretty smart. I know that I have no way to prove that to you, so please do me a favor and just for this brief second in time, afford me that acknowledgement.

So next, I am also intuitive. I have put a lot of things together that weren't taught to me, only to find out that there are entire volumes written on the subject matter of which I intuited.

For instance, when I first started trying to figure out the universe, I hadn't read a single book on the subject. One day, I was sitting somewhere, waiting, and in my brief case I had a book that I was going to take to my kids. It was called "The Secret Garden". It was written by a woman approximately 70 years ago, or something like that. She's dead, now.

Anyways, in the prologue, which was written by a modern day person, was written the beliefs held by the woman who had originally written the book. I never read prologues!! In the prologue, the writer wrote about the author's belief in the Universe, etc. She wrote about the exact same stuff that I had been learning about, on my own, up until that time.

I have been reading stuff and doing internet research on this stuff. What proves to me that I am on the right track is what Ped discusses about karma, as an example. I haven't studied karma at all, but I know that what I have been experiencing is along those lines.

Oh, hell. I'm writing on a tangeant (sp?), and I've lost my train of thought. What the hell, Swami, want a beer? I don't drink beer, but I have a glass of wine here....


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170652 - 12/09/03 01:48 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Well, I know. And I'm supposed to be educated. But I watch for patterns. And the patterns in my life have shown me that there is more to life than what we see.

It is not "you" who sees patterns. The human brain is "hard-wired" to be a "pattern recognition engine". This is highly necessary for short-term survival such as being able to identify a predator even though only seeing a small portion of it in shadow. It is so effective at this that it sees patterns where there are none.

Long-term survival comes from the study of cause-and-effect. For this the initial impression of the brain is woefully inadequate and all-too-frequently wrong.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170674 - 12/09/03 02:00 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Swami said:
Well, I know. And I'm supposed to be educated. But I watch for patterns. And the patterns in my life have shown me that there is more to life than what we see.

It is not "you" who sees patterns. The human brain is "hard-wired" to be a "pattern recognition engine". This is highly necessary for short-term survival such as being able to identify a predator even though only seeing a small portion of it in shadow. It is so effective at this that it sees patterns where there are none.

Long-term survival comes from the study of cause-and-effect. For this the initial impression of the brain is woefully inadequate and all-too-frequently wrong.




If you knew me, you would laugh at your "generalized" assessment.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170687 - 12/09/03 02:06 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

If you knew me, you would laugh at your "generalized" assessment.

My statement had nothing to do with you, but about psychology, neurology, and learning. It is only generalized in the way that saying human beings have five fingers per hand is generalized.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170692 - 12/09/03 02:11 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
If you knew me, you would laugh at your "generalized" assessment.

My statement had nothing to do with you, but about psychology, neurology, and learning. It is only generalized in the way that saying human beings have five fingers per hand is generalized.




Yes, and that is in the context of which I have my previous statement.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170694 - 12/09/03 02:12 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

How do you separate "you" from the human brain?

Surely there must be some connection...


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170696 - 12/09/03 02:14 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Yes, that is true. But keep in mind I am not here to tell anyone anything that is true for them. I only know what is true for me.
All of what I hold to be true can be demonstrated. 99% of opinions here cannot be demonstrated at all.

Look, I am pretty smart.
Your intelligence was never in question. Intelligent people believe in astrology and Slyvia Browne, yet they are still in error.

I know that I have no way to prove that to you, so please do me a favor and just for this brief second in time, afford me that acknowledgement.
I acknowledge the sincerity of your belief, but not in the external reality of it.

So next, I am also intuitive. I have put a lot of things together that weren't taught to me, only to find out that there are entire volumes written on the subject matter of which I intuited.
I applaud you for that (no facetiousness implied), but that does not speak to any karmic response to your actions.

I don't drink beer, but I have a glass of wine here....
Sure, I enjoy a fine wine thank you. I love the Napa Valley.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: trendal]
    #2170698 - 12/09/03 02:14 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Ah, the ever-elusive Ghost in the machine?
The one that can't be grasped and placed in a test tube?


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170710 - 12/09/03 02:25 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Swami said:
Yes, that is true. But keep in mind I am not here to tell anyone anything that is true for them. I only know what is true for me.
All of what I hold to be true can be demonstrated. 99% of opinions here cannot be demonstrated at all.




All I have is the evidence in my own life. What I have experienced is not an opinion.

Quote:

Look, I am pretty smart.
Your intelligence was never in question. Intelligent people believe in astrology and Slyvia Browne, yet they are still in error.




Well, even though it was never brought into question, I have never read about Sylvia Browne, and I don't believe in astrology. I mean, it's cute, but I don't give it serious credit.

Quote:

I know that I have no way to prove that to you, so please do me a favor and just for this brief second in time, afford me that acknowledgement.
I acknowledge the sincerity of your belief, but not in the external reality of it.




Okay.

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So next, I am also intuitive. I have put a lot of things together that weren't taught to me, only to find out that there are entire volumes written on the subject matter of which I intuited.
I applaud you for that (no facetiousness implied), but that does not speak to any karmic response to your actions.




Well, for me, this had nothing to do with karma. I wasn't even thinking about karma at this point. I was just trying to put together what I was intuiting.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: trendal]
    #2170711 - 12/09/03 02:25 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

How do you separate "you" from the human brain?

Surely there must be some connection...


Of course, but there is a distinct difference between the unique persona of "you" and the commonality of all humans.

It is like saying, "I like to breathe." Is it the persona of Swami or the underlying animal structure that "likes to breathe"?


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170718 - 12/09/03 02:28 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Does your question to trendal mean that I have time to go take a shower????


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Jellric]
    #2170723 - 12/09/03 02:31 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

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Jellric said:
Call it what you want, but something is going on behind the scenes, in my very, very humble opinion.

Shhhhhh!!!

Swami might overhear us!  :lol:




You know, jelric, you might have let me know how Swami might have reacted so that I could make an educated choice as to how to state my beliefs...


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170731 - 12/09/03 02:36 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

All I have is the evidence in my own life. What I have experienced is not an opinion.

Again, that is not in question, What I question is the assumptions that you have made as to the meaning of these experiences and that is most certainly opinion.

Do I question the lone plane wreck survivor that she is indeed alive against long odds? No. Do I question that she was singled out by God for some special purpose or that it was a miracle? Yes.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Frog]
    #2170755 - 12/09/03 02:47 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

You know, jelric, you might have let me know how Swami might have reacted so that I could make an educated choice as to how to state my beliefs...

Ah..never fear the dark side of the Swamster!
Everyone has one, right?
I wonder what his might be hmm?

*tiptoes out of the room*


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Jellric]
    #2170760 - 12/09/03 02:50 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

Quote:

Do I question the lone plane wreck survivor that she is indeed alive against long odds? No. Do I question that she was singled out by God for some special purpose or that it was a miracle? Yes.




Then we have something in common.


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Re: How you benefit others [Re: Swami]
    #2170782 - 12/09/03 09:47 AM (20 years, 1 month ago)

The physical body that houses the persona of Swami.

I'm done, and I've decided I won this debate, or 20 questions, or whatever it was.

Oh, and I'm right, too.


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