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Straya
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Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC?
#21693549 - 05/18/15 06:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So i'm about to attempt a pf tek with a verm:water:flour:manure substrate. Question is do you PC the substrate like you would a BRF cake? As far as i've read the PC will kill everything out of the manure and therefore it will be useless in the cake?
So how to sterilise or with thise mixture should i just pasteurise?
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ryoung0588
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Straya]
#21693654 - 05/18/15 08:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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From my understanding, the reason to pasteurize manure and not sterilize is so that you don't kill good bacteria that will help stem the growth of harmful bacteria.
I don't think it makes the manure useless just not as suitable for a bulk substrate due to colonization times. It will still add nutes to your cake
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Straya
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: ryoung0588]
#21693661 - 05/18/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah makes sense, but does that mean you only pasteurize the whole cake or PC the brf verm and water and then later add the pasteurized poo?
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2shoes
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: ryoung0588]
#21693667 - 05/18/15 08:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would do PF cakes as they are then spawn the pasteurized manure with the crumbled PF cake once it has colonized. Like spawning bulk.
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ryoung0588
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Straya]
#21693677 - 05/18/15 08:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I'm not really familiar with cyans but cube-wise you could do a regular BRF cake then crumble into manure once colonized I guess. Once PC'd the cakes are pretty solid for me so idk how you would add the manure after. Are you starting from spores?
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Straya
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: 2shoes]
#21693685 - 05/18/15 08:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Panaleous bro.
Is there an easy way to add a wedge to a pf cake or is LC best way to go?
I'm doing grains but i'd just like to be able to do pan cyans in pf tek just for a little challenge
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Straya]
#21693693 - 05/18/15 08:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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1. make cake 2. inoculate, let colonize 3. crumple into pasteurized manure (should probably add straw for water retention)
there's a tek for each of those steps on here
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Straya
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: ryoung0588]
#21693705 - 05/18/15 08:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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ryoung0588 said: 1. make cake 2. inoculate, let colonize 3. crumple into pasteurized manure (should probably add straw for water retention)
there's a tek for each of those steps on here
Yeah I know mate I have no trouble with that. Was asking about using poo in the cake and how to sterilise or pasteurise
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ryoung0588
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: ryoung0588]
#21693710 - 05/18/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I didn't mean to sound insulting. I assume from your number of posts that you aren't totally new to this...
I have had a few problems keeping viability when I over handle the cakes while crumbling but for the most part just break off a chunk and crumble into your grain/substrate/etc.
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: ryoung0588]
#21693733 - 05/18/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Straya
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: ryoung0588]
#21693735 - 05/18/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Na i know man that's cool. Just trying to find out how other people have done it. Might just stick to grains, easier and better yield.
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Straya]
#21693749 - 05/18/15 08:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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In the tek they seem to add past. poo before steaming (seems logical to not totally PC but still add some protection)
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2shoes
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Straya]
#21693964 - 05/18/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Straya said: Is there an easy way to add a wedge to a pf cake or is LC best way to go?
I'm doing grains but i'd just like to be able to do pan cyans in pf tek just for a little challenge
Not really but if you have a wedge just make some LI or LC then PF cake it...
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Ferather
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: 2shoes]
#21693984 - 05/18/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Hmm getting really good results from ferted paper casing. Could try it if you like. Link to page 4.
I'm going to try: Grain flour, waste paper, miracle grow, water. Very soon.
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Juiceh
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: ryoung0588]
#21694080 - 05/18/15 11:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you are making cakes and have a PC then add the poo to the mix, jar it up and sterilize it all. The tek linked above failed miserably, and pasteurizing the poo before adding it to the cakes is pointless since you want to sterilize the cakes anyway. All that he accomplished by pasteurizing the poo the way they did was hydrate the poo and leech nutes from it before finally mixing it with the rest of the substrate. A sterilized and then fully colonized cake with poo can still be used to knock up a pasteurized bulk poo substrate down the road.
When using poo as a bulk substrate you want to pasteurize it because it will usually be spawned in open air and need the contaminant resistance that pasteurizing provides by leaving the good bacteria behind. On the other hand if you have a sterile environment that you can inoculate large bags in, then you can PC large bags of poo and inoculate them no problem.
I'm not sure where you read that PCing poo makes it useless for PF cakes, but that's just plain wrong. PCing poo will kill off the good bacteria that you ONLY need if you are using it as a bulk to be spawned to in open air.
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ryoung0588 said: In the tek they seem to add past. poo before steaming (seems logical to not totally PC but still add some protection)
No. The tek failed because he did this and then did a half assed steaming attempt of the mixed jars. Had he PC'd the jars or steamed them for a very long time he would have had positive results. The BRF in the mix needs to be sterilized properly. You don't need or want the benefits of pasteurizing poo when you are making cakes with it and BRF.
LoL! Post #666!
Edited by Juiceh (05/18/15 11:34 AM)
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Ferather
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Juiceh]
#21694783 - 05/18/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Juiceh said: LoL! Post #666!
Bad post then? :P
Never used hpoo, And from what your saying I will never use it, sticking to ferted paper as I can control the nutrients. Ferted paper can be PC'd, but only when mixing with grain, else I just pasteurize.
Question to Straya (OP), why do you want hpoo in a brf cake anyway?
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Ferather]
#21695452 - 05/18/15 06:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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A good PF recipe for pans = 1:1:1:1, horse manure/ground grain flour/vermiculite/water.
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Juiceh
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Ferather]
#21698605 - 05/19/15 02:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Ferather said:
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Juiceh said: LoL! Post #666!
Bad post then? :P

Here's a good line from RR regarding hpoo for cakes subbing out brf. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16387580#16387580
Basically, not worth it. But if you have hpoo and are dead set on using in in a cake, just mix it in with everything else and sterilize it all.
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Juiceh]
#21698638 - 05/19/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I agree 100%. Why substitute the best BE sub, BRF, for an inferior yielding sub?
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Juiceh]
#21699003 - 05/19/15 04:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Here's a good line from RR regarding hpoo for cakes subbing out brf. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16387580#16387580
Basically, not worth it. But if you have hpoo and are dead set on using in in a cake, just mix it in with everything else and sterilize it all.
Nice find, ferted paper wins then, look at my post today. You can compare yesterday to today. Link. Bye bye hpoo, hello SPF ferted paper which has the nutrients we need, controllable.
The strain being tested is cambodian, it likes wood, paper, just fine if you add the nutrients it wants. Ferted paper instead of verm will give a cheaper more nutritional alternative for almost any strain.
No verm no hpoo.
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: Juiceh]
#21699155 - 05/19/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Juiceh said:
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Ferather said:
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Juiceh said: LoL! Post #666!
Bad post then? :P

Here's a good line from RR regarding hpoo for cakes subbing out brf. https://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/16387580#16387580
Basically, not worth it. But if you have hpoo and are dead set on using in in a cake, just mix it in with everything else and sterilize it all.
there also talking cubes not pans, op just just do as hamloaf suggested if you want to fruit them as cakes, there fine to sterilize with manure in them...hippiechick it's great to see ya!
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: cronicr]
#21699259 - 05/19/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Exactly cron.
See my signature for pan-cakes OP.
Good luck.
Edited by MacMerdin (05/19/15 05:22 PM)
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Re: Cyan pf tek with manure, use a PC? [Re: MacMerdin]
#21699268 - 05/19/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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 great tek!
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