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Rosen_Rot
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21696830 - 05/19/15 12:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zaj said: i'm really worried now the whole kit might be ruined :/
It was ruined from the start cause you have a grow kit. I agree what professor said, the shrooms are probably growing there cause of more nutrients. I also think that's the closest your shrooms will get to FAE. I very much doubt how much that filter patch is allowing FAE
Trust me, I speak from experience. I spent a lot of money on grow kits cause I wanted something quick and easy to grow. With those bags, all I ever managed to grow was contamination.
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21698205 - 05/19/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've started fanning and misting the bags twice a day since opening this topic...
but damn some people on this forum are pretty hostile. i come here asking for advice on how to make the best of what i got and not to get shit on. these grow boxes work pretty good but aren't that well documented... so that's why i ask for some tips. the companies selling them are professional growers and sell kilo's of shrooms in smart-shops every day( even the hardest to grow ones). their reputation would go under if they don't bring up the amounts as advertised.
even if i get only 200-300 grams of shrooms for the 30€ i spent on the kit... buying fresh shrooms in a shop is here +-1€/gram fresh. people need to start somewhere... and andswers like there is not enough nutrition in the substrate don't help at all. i looked up the tek and its literaly exactly the same....
sooo.... should i leave those 2 mushrooms there or remove them with a sterile pincet? they are doomed to fall of the outside edge of the kit if they grow i guess?
thanks for the handful of helpful replies so far.
Edited by zaj (05/19/15 12:32 PM)
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21698236 - 05/19/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wasn't trying to sound hostile. I was trying to help you since you asked. Grow kits just give more trouble than they're worth, as you're finding out. I recommended making a sgfc and taking the tray out of the bag and putting it in the fc 
You don't HAVE to mist 2 times a day. Just mist when it isn't glistening anymore. Make sure not to over mist causing pooling water over the surface and then fan to try to get it to evaporate off the surface. Mist when it isn't glistening anymore. The fanning is to cause evaporation. The holes in the bag should do fae. Maybe poke a few more holes into the bag? I can't really say though without seeing pics of the pins and the tray
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Mad Season]
#21698247 - 05/19/15 12:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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you are one of the helpful posters 
there are no pins yet appart from those 2 growing on the side of my box. i will try to get some clear pictures now.
http://i.imgur.com/Okge7m0.jpg this is how my kit looks now after i soaked it 10 days ago
http://imgur.com/5zVLyhr,2zepPuA these are the only 2 pins that have showed up so far and they are on the plastic on the outside :x
but as i said before using the kit it was sitting in my friend's garage for 2-3 weeks maybe that caused the mycelium to die? i don't know... since those 2 pins showed up now
Edited by zaj (05/19/15 12:55 PM)
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21698571 - 05/19/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Honestly I can't really see in the bag but you should just get your fruiting conditions as optimal as possible (67ish-78ish degrees F, most FAE you can get, 12 hours of light a day with either the sun or a 6500k bulb, and a moist substrate) and then just see what happens. I wouldn't worry too much about it climbing up the walls. Hope you get some fruits.
Then after you can spend 50 euro and get PF TEK materials and pull down 120g a month every month until you die for pretty much free (minus cost of verm and brf). Or you can go directly to grains and get a PC and never look back.
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Big Bear]
#21698591 - 05/19/15 02:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Idk man I can see some knots on the surface so I'd say give it a bit and you'll see more pins. It almost always starts with 1 or 2 pins. I still think you can probably poke a few more holes in the bag. Other than that it's looking good to me maybe don't mist so often. Wait til it's looking no longer moist.
Water logging isn't good just like too dry.
It's better to mist a small amount and take 3 hours to evaporate than go over board and take 2 days.
Edited by Mad Season (05/19/15 02:21 PM)
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21698673 - 05/19/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wasn't being hostile and if I came off as that I do apologize. I honestly didn't want to be mean.
I've spent my fair share on mushroom kits and whenever I see stories like these I try to encourage to just move to bulk grow. It's a lot less trouble and grow kits for me have been a lot more trouble. Only years later did I finally make the investment in knowledge and materials to get into bulk grow and I don't regret it.
I can bet you that the kilos of mushrooms those shops are selling are not grown in small kits. My question is what's the hold up?
If there is pinning then the mycelium is not dead yet.
Your best bet would be to just construct an SGFC like Mad said and put the tray in there. That bag and it's filter patch are probably not allowing enough FAE that causes the myc to pin and thusly has likely stalled development which eventually will lead to contam. The small pins growing on the edge is probably good evidence of this as they might be growing towards where is the most of FAE.
If you want to see some fruits, I highly suggest you make an SGFC and move the tray in there.
You don't need sterility. The myc is supposedly establish and it will be very resistant to contam. Just use a pair of gloves to reduce risk and move it to an SGFC
Mist enough to allow small glistening globes to appear on the surface of the colonized mycelium. It's better to have a sub which is on the drier side rather than a water logged tray.
I hope this was more helpful
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Edited by Rosen_Rot (05/19/15 02:45 PM)
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21698693 - 05/19/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Try uploading pictures instead of links.
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Revok]
#21701233 - 05/20/15 05:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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KafkasDog said: Try uploading pictures instead of links.
can't do that. if i do that 1/10th of the picture fills ur whole screen and this thread is unreadable. clicking a link ain't that hard?
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Rosen_Rot said:
Your best bet would be to just construct an SGFC like Mad said and put the tray in there. That bag and it's filter patch are probably not allowing enough FAE that causes the myc to pin and thusly has likely stalled development which eventually will lead to contam. The small pins growing on the edge is probably good evidence of this as they might be growing towards where is the most of FAE. I hope this was more helpful
thank you maybe i should have just more patience... a 3 more pins showed up but also on the damn plastic >.< ( atleast those are growing inward now) how many times a day should i fan the whole thing?
but building a big chamber is out of the question for now. i still live at home and my parent's weren't already exactly happy that i came home with this small portable kit... if i start with those big homemade constructions they might get it in their heads i'm trying to become a drug dealer or w/e.
http://i.imgur.com/t68t7rm.jpg http://i.imgur.com/IQht9Wn.jpg
here are some sharper images of the substrate. it looks healty but shouldn't it be fully white on top from colonisation ? i mean if there are pins showing up on the plastic, shouldn't there atleast be some on my substrate too? its been 11 days now since i started the fruiting stage.
i think only 20% of my top layer of substrate has been colonized
Edited by zaj (05/20/15 05:54 AM)
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21701776 - 05/20/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You don't need anything huge or big. It's just one tray. Go buy a 20L tote box and drill 1/4" inch holes in a grid like fashion on all six sides of the enclosure about 2" apart. Buy a bag of perlite and hydrate it and create about a 4inch layer of perlite and sit the tray on top.
I believe you should be fanning it at least 4 times a day
I think if the substrate isn't 100% colonized there won't be any pinning. However I would let some one with more experience chime in on this one
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21702625 - 05/20/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Grow kits often come with poor simplistic instructions. Same with homebrew beer kits. If you look on a homebrew forum they will advise you to ignore the manufacturers instructions and to follow their more detailed advice, which usually ends up taking longer to prepare and longer to brew -but worth it.
Often they want it to seem easier than it is, or give information that will give you something but it will be suboptimal. Same happens with microwave meals, more and more I see them telling you to do extra steps like take it out and add water and stir, let sit for 2mins and microwave again for 3mins etc. A good grow kit should tell you the minimum work needed and the optimal, to suit both types of buyers, though a lazy grower is more suited to sclerotia / stones . Fanning is well recommended if growing in a bag like this.
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: blackout]
#21703111 - 05/20/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Seriously? Stones are much easier to cultivate than cubes?
Could you direct me where to start reading?
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21703128 - 05/20/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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No need lol. Inject spores into jar like you would with cubes and let it sit 3-6 months. No fruiting chambers or anything. All the sclerotia will form in the colonizing jars. Harvest whenever you want to trip.
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Mad Season]
#21705538 - 05/21/15 08:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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the first pin on the substrate has appeared ! i'm so happy now ^^. the fanning seemed to help alot!
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21705681 - 05/21/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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evaporation off the surface is the pinning trigger so good job mate . Keep up with it and you'll see a lot more follow suit. It always just starts with 1 or 2 pins
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Mad Season]
#21706119 - 05/21/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Damn I should have started with those! I know what I'll be growing for the winter season 
Congratulations Zaj! More shall come
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Rosen_Rot]
#21715025 - 05/23/15 05:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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here with an update. does everything look fine ?

pretty dissapointed with the amounts of pins that have showed up it's been 15 days since fruiting now . theres also 1 big mushroom growing upside down in the side of the box.. but really? 5 mushrooms from a kit that is supossed to bring forth 500-800 grams a flush is a bit sad :x
can the second flush be better?
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21715035 - 05/23/15 05:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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They're starving they need air badly! Have you punched more holes into the bag or not? Why haven't you made a shotgun fc? Evaporation is the pinning trigger and it needs fae to evaporate
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: Mad Season]
#21715065 - 05/23/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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how are they starving? i'm fanning every 3 hours and misting once a day + there are 6 air strips on the bag. won't i get contamination if i cut a hole in the bag? i really don't get it.. my friend used the same kit and he got 600 Gram his first flush and he literaly did nothing! he just put a liter of water in the bag, put the kit in and left it there for 4 weeks..
and a sgfc is out of the question for now. this is is a one time thing until i get my own place to live :x
Edited by zaj (05/23/15 06:09 PM)
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Re: day 10 since soaking growkit, nothing yet :( (first time grower) [Re: zaj]
#21715111 - 05/23/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Fanning isn't for fae it's for evaporation. If you want to fan for fae do it every 20 minutes because it's supposed to be constantly exchanged of co2.
Long skinny pins are always because they're reaching out for air. Mycelium is strong enough to fight off contamination spores. I basically fruit in open air. So it's fine to punch more holes.
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