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MudaFuka
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How Muda does straw *under construction* 2
#21690790 - 05/17/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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This tek will be back up and running shortly.
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
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excellent muda. the one thing i hate more than anything in cultivation is cutting straw. ive never had space to have a wood chipper, so it was always difficult to cut. id pay extra for the pre cut straw. it saves time and headache. that straw size is absolutely the perfect size. where most people run into problems with straw is the length and size of the straw. long pieces end up colonizing extremely slow and dry out. then, the top of the straw will not colonize. this often happens if the moisture isn't quite right. i used to actually soak my straw overnight for 12-24 hours prior to pasteurization.
which type of oysters do you plan on growing?
i like the layering method your using. i use this quite often with oysters. it works really well with straw and newspaper. have you ever contemplated using logs? it may not be ideal for the grow space you have but those sock logs are pretty user friendly to create. but the bucket grows are awesome! this looks like fun. can't wait to see the results. ive got a pearl and blue ready for spawn when i get back in town.
are you going to fruit them open air or in a greenhouse?
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I'm using blue and Mediterranean oysters. I had thought about logs but buckets work better with my space. I'm going to fruit them in my green house. Currently it's full of lions mane,king oyster and reishi bottles. So I only have room for 30 buckets in there. I should have it expanded considerably by the time I need more space though.
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21694736 - 05/18/15 02:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Great stuff muda, loving the repurposed SGFC lid looks like ya gonna be growing shitloads of oysters soon, me jelly.
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nice, needed this!
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: Haywire]
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Very Nice Write Up Muda! Thank you I'm going to start my first oysters soon and I'll be looking back here. I recently had better success (meaning no contamination after several flushes) with pasteurization as it is normally done (hot water bath with some soap as a wetting agent) but I also threw in some hydrated lime. It changed the color of the straw and seemed to have softened / broken it down a bit. I found the hydrated lime... In the canning isle as a pickling agent.
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I thought about using lime but after doing some reading I opted for detergent instead.
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
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Nice write-up as always Muda
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21705703 - 05/21/15 09:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I thought about using lime but after doing some reading I opted for detergent instead.
Where did you find this info?
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: nobody83]
#21705768 - 05/21/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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hey Nobody This is what I used. I tried to find hydrated lime at garden stores and hardware stores and in the end ... there it was in Walmart. Pickling Lime. I'm sure any well stocked grocery store would have something like this in the canning area. I paid about 5 or 6 bucks for a one pound bag. Unless you are doing a LOT of substrate I think a pound would go a long way. It is very reactive stuff.
http://www.walmart.com/ip/Mrs.-Wages-Pickling-Lime-16-oz-Pack-of-6/17339182
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Ive had a lb that i added to my seed prep soaks. It lasted more than 5 years worth of grain prep.
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I get mine at the gardening store cheap for a decent sized bag. I use it to pasteurize my straw and never had a problem and the bag had lasted almost a year. Cold pasteurization
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: nobody83]
#21707353 - 05/21/15 06:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: I thought about using lime but after doing some reading I opted for detergent instead.
Where did you find this info?
I read about using detergent in a few places. Aloha medicals mentions it on there site and I've seen lipa post about it. I have a 5lb bag of lime I use to buffer peat moss casings but it only has 30% calcium which is really low for pasteurisation.
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: nobody83]
#21740421 - 05/30/15 10:03 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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 First pins 11 days after spawning.
I also did a smaller batch using two 5 gallon pails in place of two garbage cans. I used it make this smaller bucket sub. I cant remember what kind of oyster spawn I used.

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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
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The Mediterranean Oyster buckets are kicking ass so far.
  
No pinning on the blues yet.
I also did a scaled up version of this prep method using 55 gallon totes instead of 32 gallon trash cans. I used 10 gallon totes in place of 5 gallon pails. I'm hoping these totes will make better use of my fruiting space. 
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21745537 - 05/31/15 05:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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so during fruiting on the totes, are you planning on leaving the plastic bags around them as well?
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No the plastic is just for colonisation. I'll fruit them in my GH.
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21745644 - 05/31/15 05:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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are you also fruiting the 5 gallon buckets in the gh as well?
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Yeah. I fruit all my edibles in there.
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Re: How Muda dose straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21745681 - 05/31/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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nice! im doing a few tubs of oysters now with strawnet. but im doing open air fruiting.
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Re: How Muda does straw (moved) [Re: MudaFuka]
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Re: How Muda does straw (moved) [Re: cronicr]
#21749174 - 06/01/15 03:54 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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 The blues are starting to pin and the Mediterraneans are chugging right along

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Re: How Muda does straw (moved) [Re: MudaFuka]
#21752838 - 06/02/15 01:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Fantastic little step by step here. Thanks for writing it.
Couple questions:
Do you take any precautions against contamination after the straw is done pasteurizing, or is this unnecessary? I mean, you want the sub to dry and cool a bit afterwords. Do you just leave it out in open air for this?
Colonisation and fruiting. I'm still not sure how the environmental conditions differ. Right now I have a large section of my basement that is sealed off air tight. I'm going to be regulating air flow, humidity, and light. Can I go from uncolonized substrate to mushrooms all in this one room by manipulating these variables? I'd hate to have to construct another room.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21752949 - 06/02/15 02:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Where do you get the Healthi Straw? Their site only lists dealers in the mid-west.
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I just let it cool in open air. I considered covering it but that would slow the cooling process. I colonise in a cool dark corner of my basement and fruit in a 4'x 8' walking green house on the other side of my basement. The green house gets a lot of both natural and artificial light. The humidity stays above 80% and it gets several full air exchanges per day. I try to keep temps a bit lower for fruiting but that can be a challenge sometimes.
Healthy straw is produced very close to where I live. There may be a similar product where you live but chances are the further you live from agricultural areas the harder it will be to get pre shredded straw.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21753133 - 06/02/15 02:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Those babies are damn cute poking out of those orange buckets.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21753196 - 06/02/15 03:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Being able to get preshredded straw espesially down the street is what i am grateful for the most
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: nobody83]
#21754556 - 06/02/15 07:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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some fatties! straw=shroom roids.
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 These blue oysters don't screw around when it comes to pinning.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21758482 - 06/03/15 06:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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monster cluster!
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 it was sawdust but boy oh boy those clusters hate a SGFC
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i had the same thing happen in a sgfc with those blues.
i even went an extra step and put some polyfil holes lol
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I threw it outside and it got some nice fruits but bugs too,
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oh was that one recent? i had tried the sgfc by itself but it failed 3 times. so i drilled some 2" holes and put poly hoping for a pipe dream. i have better luck open air on the table spraying the fruits directly a few times a day.
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this time last year
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eatyualive said: oh was that one recent? i had tried the sgfc by itself but it failed 3 times. so i drilled some 2" holes and put poly hoping for a pipe dream. i have better luck open air on the table spraying the fruits directly a few times a day.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: nobody83]
#21768274 - 06/05/15 11:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I just added an exhaust fan to my GH to up the FAE.
 my fruits were starting to look a bit long and skinny.
lots of clusters though.
 
The smaller bucket I made is looking pretty good 15 days after it was spawned.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21773994 - 06/07/15 01:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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My open air tubs did the same muda. But i had friends come into town and couldnt pay attention.
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Did your gh have a mixing box going in?
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I'm now thinking the small caps have more to do with inadequate lighting than FAE. I added 4 more CFLto my grow room. Hopefully it helps.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21774525 - 06/07/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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no its fae. look at these. lack of fae at first in my tub made them long and stringy. i then opened up the tub lid, turned the fan on and introduced enough fae that i had to mist them a few times a day on the sides of the tub. everything dried out and i didn't really have the time to give them any tlc. but you can see how the caps started opening a little. so i caught it slightly too late. if i had listened to good advice and not have been so stubborn i would have opened the tub lid immediately after clusters formed. i was too worried the tub would dry out and it did.
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It was a bit late for this flush but conditions seem much better now.

I fried up some of the Mediterranean oysters yesterday and used them to make a pretty good pasta sauce.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21789959 - 06/10/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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i might make some stir fry or some shroom tacos!
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  I started using these 40L tots instead of 5 gallon pails. They cost half as much as pails and hold twice the substrate. They also make better use of my limited fruiting space.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21801292 - 06/13/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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did you get a 2nd flush off those orange 5 gallons?
mine flushed twice and i had some awesome clusters but i was at work for 12 hours and didn't have the chance to open the tubs again. ug. im tempted to do a bag grow in the shape of a monotub next. but leave the bag closed. when pins form, cut holes around the clusters and fruit it like a regular monotub. but with the lid off. im thinking this will help the moisture issues im having now in the open air. when i fruit out of bags, the moisture inside the sub is retained rather than opening up the surface and it loses all the moisture and fruits dry out.
im making oysters mushroom tacos for breakfast now!
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I haven't had a second from the blues yet but I got a second flush from the Mediterranean buckets.  Picked a bit late. I'm making a 3 oyster omelette with blue, Mediterranean and king oysters.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21801475 - 06/13/15 10:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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looks like you fixed all your gh issues. nice job!
btw, im eating my oyster shroom tacos now.
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I've got the FAE and lighting sorted out. My king oysters and lions mane are looking much better too. Now I just need to do something about the RH so I don't have to mist as much.
I just started cooking the mushrooms for my omelette.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21802124 - 06/13/15 11:11 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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your misting a greenhouse? what is your setup? the point of a greenhouse is so that you do nothing lol..
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For me the point of a GH is to have a large enough area to fruit everything. If I wanted to do nothing I'd still be growing cubes in monotubs. I have virtually no humidity source ATM. There is an evaporative cool mist in there but it's more for air movement than humidity. I want to set up a fogging system but I can't find pond foggers locally and I fucking hate ordering shit online.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
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i feel your pain. sux man foggers are the best for sure. did you try mainland mart? ive used some of the smaller units for room size operations. that and some 3" sewer hose works nicely.
i do hate ordering online but one of these will last a lifetime. also shipping might be costly to the north. i can't say i have ever seen any of these at home depot or any pond stores.
http://www.mainlandmart.com/foggers.html
so your grow fruiting room is basically a large room with a little humidity and a little fae? do you have any pics of it?
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It's a 5x8 plastic room with a little humidity and a shit load of FAE. On it's own the RH stays between 60% and 70% compared to the rest of my house which sits at 15% to 20% that's not so bad.
I have a 70 CFM exhaust fan running for 15 minutes every 45 minutes. There is a 12" fan that blows air in at the top of the GH at the same time the exhaust fan sucks air out the bottom. There is also a hose running into the top from a box I keep full of ice blocks. The ice box is hooked up to an air purifier fan that runs constantly. It keeps my temps from getting too high. In the center of the GH is a cool mist pointed at the back wall. The only pic I have was taken a while ago it is set up quite differently now.
 
It was never intended to be more than a temporary solution to my fruiting problem. I have plans for a 10x12 fruiting room on the other end of my basement but recent financial issues have delayed it's construction.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21802182 - 06/13/15 11:35 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Muda I have always wondered since I myself only dabble at the farmers market and feed family members, what do you plan to do with the proceeds of a 10x12 room?
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: maddchef]
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Oysters sell for $13 to $14 at grocery stores here and quite a few of them buy local produce. If I can get everything dialed in properly I hope to sell to them. If not my uncle is a chef and my kids go to school with the owners of a few restaurants. I'll find something to do with them.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21802250 - 06/13/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ah yeah muda. well you can build a greenhouse working for relatively cheap with what you have available now. it may be a matter of changing a few settings. i guess the ice box is necessary for summer temps? does the basement have hvac? i am assuming no.
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It does and if it weren't for my kids and wife fucking with the thermostat I could control the temps very easily. The ice box is more of a safety net. Sometimes my kids fuck around and turn the heat up when its already hot as hell. My GH gets hit harder with heat than my thermostat which is upstairs so temps can get really high in there really fast when the heat is cranked up in the middle of summer. For now I'm just going to add an impeller cool mist until I can order a few foggers.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
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  I started using these 40L tots instead of 5 gallon pails. They cost half as much as pails and hold twice the substrate. They also make better use of my limited fruiting space.
I would imagine one would be losing on biological efficiency with such boxes, are you going to make any measurements, what are your thoughts on this?
If you don't mind answering, why do you hate ordering online?
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Sadly we no longer have locaal grocers and only big box stores who won't even talk with me
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I expect MY BE will suffer somewhat but these containers use space a lot better so I think in the end I will yield more with the totes than with buckets. My costs may be higher as well but oats, wheat and straw are all crazy cheap so I don't mind using a bit more material. I was growing everything in bottles and my BE was really good but they are a pain in the ass so I switched. BE isn't everything.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: maddchef]
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maddchef said: Sadly we no longer have locaal grocers and only big box stores who won't even talk with me
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21802390 - 06/13/15 12:35 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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MudaFuka said: It does and if it weren't for my kids and wife fucking with the thermostat I could control the temps very easily. The ice box is more of a safety net. Sometimes my kids fuck around and turn the heat up when its already hot as hell. My GH gets hit harder with heat than my thermostat which is upstairs so temps can get really high in there really fast when the heat is cranked up in the middle of summer. For now I'm just going to add an impeller cool mist until I can order a few foggers.
i got away with using a room size hepa unit. and using a true hepa filter. this would push enough fae to get things going for a nice size setup of about 14x16'. but the air was coming from outside the grow room, then pumped in and mixed with humidity going into the setup. so a mixing box type build.
i also had a few setups where i could use martha stuart closets, or multiple tiered greenhouse shelves attached to one mixing box setup. i would use the filtered air to push into the humidified 5 gallon buck then into each chamber. i would have a valve where i could regulate the fae/ humidity going into each chamber, this would allow me to run the fae longer on certain greenhouse attachments if i wanted constant fae for oysters. the cubes i could get away with 30 minutes on every two hours. or basically 15 minutes every hour.
that one hepa unit was enough fae for all those grows. are you also incubating jars in your grow area? or was that prior to when you turned it into a greenhouse?
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when I was growing in bottles I had jars colonising in every corner of my house. The ones in the pick that are inside the fruiting area have reishi growing out of them the ones outside were colonising with lions mane and king oysters on sawdust.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21802462 - 06/13/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I'm interested in your ice box/hose setup, but I'm a bit confused how it works. What kind of temps. do you get and how often are you refilling it with ice? 
Foggers are great and help ease the work load but misting is hard to beat especially where oyster pins are concerned.
Although, I can't help but recommend The House of Hydro for foggers. Fast delivery, highest quality foggers and killer customer service.
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It's a Rubbermaid tote with a HEPA air purifier blowing into it and a hose leading out of it into my GH. I fill 15qt tubs with water and freeze them. I keep one tub in the freezer and one in the cooling box. I switch them out every 12 hours. When I first hooked it up it brought my temps down from the low 70s to the low 60s.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21802616 - 06/13/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ha threw me off. its been so long since ive seen bottle fruiting. like 97's. i was thinking they were incubating from the picture.
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I moved my oysters outside.
 they seem happy out there.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
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Love that rock wall, Muda. Did you build it?
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No it's a retaining wall.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21904077 - 07/06/15 05:36 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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how are you watering muda?
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It's raining a lot lately. So I haven't been watering much but when I do. I just use a garden hose with a spray head on the end of it.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21912842 - 07/08/15 12:17 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I have seen that type of pre-cut straw at PetCo and at Target in the pet section. I think its sold as pet bedding for rodents or birds or something. Not very economical but if you just wanted to try it?
I like to put my straw bale on a table, one of those cheap plastic folding ones, then put a large tub under one side of it. Then I go at the bail with the hedge trimmer. There will some pieces too large for some subs, but they can be easily picked out. I got the idea from reading on here somewhere a guy posted he uses a weed-whacker to chop his hay. Hope this can help.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#21920141 - 07/09/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Hey Muda - nice grow. How are you cleaning the buckets after fruiting?
Also, do they give a second and third flush OK? I've always wondered if they'd be able to breach the distance to the hole as they "log" inside shrinks.
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I haven't cleaned any yet. I put them outside and they are all still fruiting. The first set is on like flush 5.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#22177261 - 09/02/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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*bump*
This is an awesome tek! Something I have been looking for! I'm prepping my WBS now for Shiitake (1 syringe) and Elm Oysters (1 syringe). 90 So probably 2 or 4 buckets (1 syringe = 5-10 qt jars?) Questions: Any suggested changes when using Shiitake instead of Oysters? I know Shiitake likes wood so would it be advisable to add wood chips?
Also, since I'm doing it on a much smaller scale than OP, Could I just PC the substrate (straw wheat)? I have a 23qt PC so could probably do a bucket per PC. What PSI and time would be recommended?
With this method, there's no need to fan & mist?
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you can try shiitake on straw but I wouldn't get your hopes up too high. especially if it's your first go around. some people have a lot of trouble with straw while it's pretty fool proof for others.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: drake89]
#22198269 - 09/06/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Just to confirm (wasn't sure on the wording), you use 1/4 cup detergent per 5 gallon bucket? Or do you use 1/4 cup detergent total for the 4 buckets?
I thought it meant per bucket, which would mean one cup detergent for every four 5-gal buckets. Just makin sure.
Also when you measure out the straw. Do you compress it into the buckets? Or leave it kind of fluffy.
Thanks muda.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: d0urd3n]
#22200070 - 09/06/15 11:28 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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1/4 cup per 5 gallon pail of water. It might be a bit excessive but it has worked great for me so far. My only contam was a result of dirty spawn. I compact the straw when I measure it out since I also compact it when I spawn my tubs/buckets.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#22200083 - 09/06/15 11:34 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Alight cool, appreciate it. 
Will be trying this soon. Not sure about the whole hot water part yet. I don't think I can turn up my hot water heater like that. Might have to use an outdoor propane burner with a massive pot that will hold like 5 gal.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: d0urd3n]
#22200103 - 09/06/15 11:46 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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I've done it with smaller batches using my 23 qt prestos to heat the water.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#22200115 - 09/06/15 11:51 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Yeah I suppose I could do a bucket or two at a time? With the compressed straw in a bucket I imagine you don't actually need a whole lot of water? How many buckets per Presto could you do, if you were indeed doing buckets?
Have you messed with cold water and lime since your OP?
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: d0urd3n]
#22200150 - 09/07/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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No. I haven't done the cold pasteurisation thing yet. I can't remember exactly how much straw I can cover with a presto full of water. The last time I did it was a few months ago and I don't spend much time thinking about measurements. I eyeball everything but agar these days.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: drake89]
#22203555 - 09/07/15 06:11 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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drake89 said: you can try shiitake on straw but I wouldn't get your hopes up too high. especially if it's your first go around. some people have a lot of trouble with straw while it's pretty fool proof for others.
What would you suggest growing shiitake on then? I have WBS jars...
The oysters on WBS then straw would be fine though, right?
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I'm asking so I don't make a mistake in the future but is there a reason you cover the bucket in plastic to colonize? I swear I've seen people do the opposite, where they put a liner inside of the bucket and slit the holes once it's colonized.
Is my brain making this up?
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Some people do it that way. I find my way more convenient.
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Re: How Muda does straw [Re: MudaFuka]
#22231998 - 09/13/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 4 months ago) |
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Thanks for the reply and the awesome advice. That's really good to know that you can do it both ways.
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