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Breaking rootbound dormancy
    #21690341 - 05/17/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey guys I've received a lot of plants in the past that have stayed root bound for years and upon getting these plants I then take on the task of trying to get them to grow again because most of the time it seems to stop them in their tracks. I've tried being gentle and planting into larger pots with either more nutritious soil, low nutritious soil, High watered soil and low watered soil by mainly just watering around the edges of the pots in hopes to stretch the roots to reach the water yet I haven't seemed to be able to evenly break this dormancy "or so to say".


Would there be any certain way to do this? How about evenly snipping the roots all around?


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: spaceman101]
    #21690387 - 05/17/15 12:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've always just moved my root bound cacti to a larger pot and let them sit with no water for a while, always seems to kickstart growth


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: PsycheSoother]
    #21690630 - 05/17/15 01:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Are they regular plants or cacti?

Regular plants like kratom, for example, seems to benefit from cutting the roots. I take a blade and cut the roots cross wise. Then water with a transplant formula, root stimulater, something high in phosphorus for root development.

Cacti, I like to just pull on the roots. The fine ones will break off and the thick ones stay on to be dried in front of a fan. Then I just place in dry soil.

This is just what I do and I've never had problems. Cacti can be a bit trickier as they don't really grow as fast but one thing most people need when it comes to getting plants out of dormancy is patience. As long as you know that plant is still alive just give it time and it should come back to life.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21690665 - 05/17/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

All my store bought cacti are always rootbound. Gently pull the roots loose from the soil, try to get as many root tipz exposed. Shake off extra soil. Most of the time if they are waterlogged, I leave them bare root to dry before replanting. I put them in dry soil for a little while. Usually starts growth.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21690673 - 05/17/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well ATM I'm working with The Giant Tree Cholla and a rubber tree.


I'll have to give this a shot. This Rubber tree as well as these chollas have been a real bitch for the past year and a half:facepalm:


Thanks again Ferrel:super:


BTW both of these different plants have been grown in small pots and most likely rootbound for around 5 years from what I've been told.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: spaceman101]
    #21690819 - 05/17/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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BTW both of these different plants have been grown in small pots and most likely rootbound for around 5 years from what I've been told.




Rootbound for 5 years? Wtf? It's possible. Gotta water alot I bet. Just break up the root ball real good. Trim off the feeder roots. And replant. Similar to bonsai training.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21690861 - 05/17/15 02:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yep that's what I was thinking too. The cholla cactus's were a gift but the Rubber plant needs to be brought back to health for the owner for family memories.


The chollas though have only been rootbound for a bit over 3 years while the rubber plant had been rootbound for AT LEAST 5 years:facepalm:


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: spaceman101]
    #21690887 - 05/17/15 02:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I would wait til the pot is completely dry. Which if I'm not mistaken will happen fast due to it being rootbound. Then break up the ball.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21691235 - 05/17/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You could try cutting the roots back a little. This will tell the plant to start making new roots which will also induce growing in the rest of the plant.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: Oggy]
    #21691267 - 05/17/15 04:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's what I just did. BTW it was dry at the time ferrel. I doubt it will kill the tree but I'm just really hoping it will ensure new growth fairly soon because this thing takes up a lot of space.



I'm gonna give it a day or 2 before I water it though.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: spaceman101]
    #21691295 - 05/17/15 04:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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That's what I just did. BTW it was dry at the time ferrel. I doubt it will kill the tree but I'm just really hoping it will ensure new growth fairly soon because this thing takes up a lot of space.



I'm gonna give it a day or 2 before I water it though.




It won't kill it. Doing bonsai requires that all small roots be cut off and transplanted. So it's pretty much the same concept.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21692832 - 05/17/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Regular plants like kratom, for example, seems to benefit from cutting the roots. I take a blade and cut the roots cross wise. Then water with a transplant formula, root stimulater, something high in phosphorus for root development.




Hey, ferrel. You've got me wondering with this statement as to how big your kratom tree was when you finally put it in the ground. My tree is getting quite big and is drying out it's pot in just a day or two before it starts wilting so I guess it's time to put it in the ground and let it rough it for the winters.  Even if I wanted to put it in a bigger pot, I wouldn't be able to fit it in the door when bringing it in for the winter at this point.

I know I'm gonna have quite a chore ahead of me trying to get this guy in the ground, I'm just wondering how big yours was when you planted it in the ground and how root bound was it when you planted it?


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21692899 - 05/17/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Man I wish I had the pics. It didn't even look like soil anymore. Just yellow/white with dense roots though that time when I put Richard in ground I didn't cut the roots.

It was like in a 25 gallon pot and if you can see it in your head, that's a big ass pot if not bigger. Kratom grows way too fast given the right conditions.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21692947 - 05/17/15 11:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Wow, I think my pot is almost that size. Maybe slightly smaller. It's definitely ready to get into the ground.


Did you do anything special to the root mass when transplanting? Just break everything up really good, or actually trim roots or what? Anything else you did (or wish you did) for the soil when preparing your hole?


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21692966 - 05/17/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'd like some info on this as well. I've been thinking about getting ahold of a kratom tree. Has anyone tested their leaves yet just to see how our environment affects the strength?


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: spaceman101]
    #21692994 - 05/18/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I made a hole big enough for a body. :lol:

It was big to say the least but I could not take the tree out without cutting the pot away. I cut the pot cross wise and not the roots. I left the roots intact. See, the tree in the pot had 2 thick roots come out the bottom of the drain holes and had already staked it self in position. I had to cut those roots so I could move the pot. After that I cut the pot off and placed the whole root ball and tree in the hole and watered with a phosphorus solution.

Sounds simple but imagine moving a 200 pound tree with root ball and all.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21693005 - 05/18/15 12:05 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:rofl:


I bet that was fun. How many years did you grow it out before placing it in the ground? Sorry if this was already answered but I don't see it anywhere.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: spaceman101]
    #21693008 - 05/18/15 12:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

SHORT STORY - Last time I tried mine, I did WAAAYYY too much (because I didn't think it was going to be very strong).  I ate a spoon of powdered leaves and didn't really feel anything after about half an hour so I ate another spoon. About a half hour or 45 mins after that, I found myself laying on the couch, trying to keep my shit together....  The room was spinning faster than an amusment park ride and it took all my focus to keep from getting sick from the spinning sensation.   

It was definitely active, more than I thought apparently. Also, I had no experience with commercial kratom so I had nothing to compare to...
If it wasn't for the room spinning like I had chugged a fifth (except without the actual foggy headed/drunk feeling), I would have enjoyed it.


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21693018 - 05/18/15 12:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I bet that was fun. How many years did you grow it out before placing it in the ground? Sorry if this was already answered but I don't see it anywhere.




About 4 years.

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SHORT STORY - Last time I tried mine, I did WAAAYYY too much (because I didn't think it was going to be very strong).  I ate a spoon of powdered leaves and didn't really feel anything after about half an hour so I ate another spoon. About a half hour or 45 mins after that, I found myself laying on the couch, trying to keep my shit together....  The room was spinning faster than an amusment park ride and it took all my focus to keep from getting sick from the spinning sensation.   

It was definitely active, more than I thought apparently. Also, I had no experience with commercial kratom so I had nothing to compare to...
If it wasn't for the room spinning like I had chugged a fifth (except without the actual foggy headed/drunk feeling), I would have enjoyed it.




Sounds fun but as big as the tree is I have never partaken. I have 2 ziploc bags full of crushed material. Never even had the urge but reading this,  maybe I have to. :uptosomething:


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: cowsRmeat]
    #21693027 - 05/18/15 12:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Damn dude you got me excited now:excited:


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21693030 - 05/18/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds simple but imagine moving a 200 pound tree with root ball and all.





No, I can imagine it was an immense chore! Mine probably isn't 200 lbs yet, but I definitely don't want to plant it in any larger of a pot because it is already the biggest potted plant I ever want to handle...

Hopefully it will take to staying outside in my climate. I'm zone 8 so I will keep my fingers crossed, but I just can't keep bringing it in anymore for the winter. It already bends over from the ceiling when it comes inside....


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ferrel_human]
    #21693041 - 05/18/15 12:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds fun but as big as the tree is I have never partaken. I have 2 ziploc bags full of crushed material. Never even had the urge but reading this,  maybe I have to. :uptosomething:




Oh, yeah. I'm as sure as I can be that Richard is putting out some nice product. Mine is only 2 1/2  or  3(?) years old now and it kicked my ass. But then again, who knows how many gms that ended up being... I'm eager to try it again soon at a lower dose, though


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Re: Breaking rootbound dormancy [Re: ballsalsa]
    #21693683 - 05/18/15 08:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ahh.. Dormancy, rootbound. . and Bonsai.. / Penjing

Many of us who live in Urban environments have to container garden, so It can be a concern as to, (when do I repot?).

As for cacti.. I can say a couple things.. If its in a plastic pot, I have done the wait till the platic starts to "bulge" method. That seems to work ok.

with some of my seedlings. sometimes the substrate binds the roots so as to not allow the roots to develop well, so . . . I even repot Tiny babies, and or uproot them to see why they are not growing well (usually a barkish chunk under the roots), and a repot fixes it.

Some plants Need repotting maintainance a lot, such as bonsai-trees. they grow roots faster than many cacti and need to even have roots trimmed to limit growth.

I will talk about one Genus of plants here for a moment with regard to repotting and Rootbound.. . as it is important to them to get them to flower, and that is (HOYA plants).

It is my experience growing a number of Hoyas, that they do not like to be repotted. .and can take a few years to get re-established enough to bloom. Hoyas, can be tempermental that way. I allow mine to get fairly rootbound before I attempt to repot, and I KNOW that they will not flower for several years after a repot.


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