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cigam



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Should i toss tub ?
#21690299 - 05/17/15 12:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I started this tub on 4-23. cased on 5-2 .patched & fruited on 5-14 . I'm starting to notice dark areas on the mycelium.
this is what it looked like on 4-28. 4 days later i cased it.

It seems to have stalled. This is what it looks like today.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21690310 - 05/17/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I think you may have cased it a little thick and the myc is reaching up to break the surface... I wouldn't toss it...how thick is your casing layer?
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: LocN9ne]
#21690335 - 05/17/15 12:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I wouldn't toss it either... just give it some time and keep up with the misting and fanning.
I mist & fan the hell out of my mono's & trays until the pinset comes in...
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cigam



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Didn't think i had to mist and fan. I have 4 lower holes and two upper holes. All stuffed with polyfil. And yes i think i did go a little thick with the casing prob 3/4", maybe 1 inch.
What is your thoughts on the darker mycelium?
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21690496 - 05/17/15 12:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's aerial mycellium that dried out...I had this happen to my mini subs whIle I was visiting the local jail here fml...let me dig up a pic... you can see the dried out myc then the new growth once I got the moisture content back up...
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21690650 - 05/17/15 01:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Mist that tub until the casing layer darkens in color (absorbs water) ... then fan.
When the casing layer lightens in color (it is drying out), mist again.
mist and fan. you're looking good. keep going
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cigam



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OK, i'm on it. Thanks guys.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21690908 - 05/17/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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How is it stalled? It looks fine to me. You understand casings aren't meant to get colonized right? They're a NON NUTRIENT moisture barrier used to induce pinning and maintain moisture in substrate. Keep it looking damp, not wet. Hope this helps.
Casings actually require less work and maintenance than without. Just be patient man. Also you can have way more fae with a casing so you don't even need the top poly holes.
Edited by Mad Season (05/17/15 03:02 PM)
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cigam



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Yea, I thought the casing layer was suppose to colonize. Just thought because after the casing layer is applied and it colonizes 25-30 % i then put in fruiting conditions. I might be a little slow but i guess i am so fixated on colonizing. So i need to switch gears and start thinking, fruiting. Are you saying, just take out the poly on the top 2 holes ?
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21691421 - 05/17/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yes just the top 2 holes. You can just keep 1 stuffed and remove the 2nd one, since I don't know your current environment. But I live in a dry ass environment. With a casing both holes open works wonders.
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I'm starting to see little pins forming. So i am going to lightly mist once in the morning and once at night, keeping it wet but no puddles at all . As soon as i see it glisten, stop spraying. Am i on the right track? Im thinking i my not have to spray that much but, I dont know maybe more. I need to learn how to look at the sub and know what it needs.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21696056 - 05/18/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Pins! awesome.
From the look of things, I figured you were close.
Very cool. pictures please
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I really don't have to spray much if at all. Sounds like you're well on track
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Congratulations!!! Pins...fuckyeah
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Everything is looking good. All the advice above is solid.
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cigam



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So far so good,I'll post another pic tomorrow. Don't let me mess this up.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21700794 - 05/20/15 12:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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look n good, amigo
at some point you will stop misting. it seems like PE 'blotches' (pseudomonus) when water droplets sit on the caps.
 dark spots on the caps
in another few days ... say 3 .. you'll want to increase air flow. developing mushrooms love air.
what's your ambient humidity there?
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uncle_rico said: look n good, amigo
at some point you will stop misting. it seems like PE 'blotches' (pseudomonus) when water droplets sit on the caps.
 dark spots on the caps
in another few days ... say 3 .. you'll want to increase air flow. developing mushrooms love air.
what's your ambient humidity there?
I think that the blotches from misting with PE isn't pseudomonias. Pseudomonias will eventually eat the caps away, sometimes the whole cap. The blotches I suspect are merely water damage from larger droplets hitting them. This can happen with any cube but PE seems to damage easier. With pseudomonias the real culprit is poor FAE and standing water on the caps. If your FAE is good, water on the caps will evaporate quickly and the bacteria can't get started.
Cron had a grow a few years ago where pseudomonias literally ate half the caps in his tub. Was pretty insane.
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OK. sounds good.
I'll forget the pseudomonus part and just call it water damage from now on. thanks
I can hose standard cubes down at any point in their development. However, after a certain point misted PE caps water damage. Guys even wipe water droplets off tub lids to keep them from falling on PE caps.
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I have backed off of the watering and i have no poly in the top holes. this is what it looks like , pins are about two full days old. The room this is in, is about 75 degrees and humidity is very low 40's. Also my plastic liner was cut a little short on one corner, see pic. Hows it looking , im learnin. O, and thanks for not letting me throw this out.

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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21703671 - 05/20/15 07:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looks awesome man
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: DannyDGAF]
#21703801 - 05/20/15 07:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It looks great
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You should toss that tub
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: Buck513]
#21704027 - 05/20/15 08:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Buck513 said: You should toss that tub
For sure he should toss them mushrooms when they are done. Toss em over my way
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21704245 - 05/20/15 09:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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cigam said: I have backed off of the watering and i have no poly in the top holes. this is what it looks like , pins are about two full days old. The room this is in, is about 75 degrees and humidity is very low 40's. Also my plastic liner was cut a little short on one corner, see pic. Hows it looking , im learnin. O, and thanks for not letting me throw this out.


since you are learning new tricks, do a few no-pour agar 1/2 pints and clone that cluster at 10 to 11 o'clock !
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21706899 - 05/21/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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cigam said: Didn't think i had to mist and fan. I have 4 lower holes and two upper holes. All stuffed with polyfil. And yes i think i did go a little thick with the casing prob 3/4", maybe 1 inch.
What is your thoughts on the darker mycelium?
"Techically" you don't. But if you want a nice even pinset & full canopy it really helps.
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Also a very good idea to do that! You should then gain very nice genetics for future tubs with aggressive colonization.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: DannyDGAF]
#21707626 - 05/21/15 07:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would like to try,it sounds interesting. here it is now.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21707635 - 05/21/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cloning is for many people one of the most enjoyable aspects of the hobby. I would definitely attempt a crash course attempt and clone one of them clusters before its too late.
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cigam



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Can you recommend a tek?
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21707912 - 05/21/15 08:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah the agar tek in my sig. At the end of it are links to teks and videos showing how to use them.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21708355 - 05/21/15 10:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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cigam said: I would like to try,it sounds interesting. here it is now.

Oh ! please do the crash course.
The clusters now at 12 and 1:00 demand it.
please, sir
edit. you'll get tubs like this:
  or better!
2nd edit: geeez i'm loaded. anyway, don't toss your tub, you maniac
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King Rico.  
OP, cloning isn't hard. I truly wish I could into agar work earlier, I spent a long time afraid of it. Learning anything can feel overwhelming, but the rewards are usually worth it. In the case of agar, they're so fucking worth it.
No harder than making jello shots. Which I should go do right now.
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The important humidity level is in your FC, not the room it's in. Once the pins appear don't spray the sub anymore just the lid/top. If the water is dropping on your fruits just mist the sides of the tub. This will cause side pinning but better than dripping on the PE.
Might be good to put in a closet so you can raise the RH without too much misting.
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#21709199 - 05/22/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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ShroominMe said: The important humidity level is in your FC, not the room it's in. Once the pins appear don't spray the sub anymore just the lid/top. If the water is dropping on your fruits just mist the sides of the tub. This will cause side pinning but better than dripping on the PE.
Might be good to put in a closet so you can raise the RH without too much misting.
You just contradicted yourself. Stop giving out bad info, I've seen it on a half dozen threads just today. What will sticking his monotub in a closet do for his FAE? Precisely.
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Haha. Well read good sir. I agree 100%. And tbh humidity isn't all that. Idk why people think we need high humidity? Can this rumor just die already? It's not 99% humid in Florida 24/7. You can have great success in 85% humidity.
We want high humidity at the surface and low at the top so it'll constantly evaporate. I told him to take out the top holes for this reason. Just don't complicate things. Stuffing the bottom holes tight is what will make a higher humidity at the surface as well as a casing.
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ShroominMe said: The important humidity level is in your FC, not the room it's in. Once the pins appear don't spray the sub anymore just the lid/top. If the water is dropping on your fruits just mist the sides of the tub. This will cause side pinning but better than dripping on the PE.
Might be good to put in a closet so you can raise the RH without too much misting.
You just contradicted yourself. Stop giving out bad info, I've seen it on a half dozen threads just today. What will sticking his monotub in a closet do for his FAE? Precisely.
Great point grain. I would also add that spraying the lid and walls of any fruiting chamber is completely pointless.
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Dudes , i cant believe it. Thanks for the help every one, There is no way i could have done it with out all your guys help. And heck yeah, im going to try clonin that cluster. what do i have to lose, right? I had got some of that dehydrated liquid culture premix thinking i might want to try this sometime. Tonight i'll put some of that in those glad mini rounds and pc.
Before and after i harvested.


Got em in the dehydrator now, I am thankful you guys helped me on this project. It's worth mentioning twice. More then a couple times i thought, i might not be able to do this.
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21711757 - 05/22/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Glad you didn't "toss it"?
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: LocN9ne]
#21711770 - 05/22/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Haha damn like 1.5 oz and a lot of pins looking beautiful man
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Re: Should i toss tub ? [Re: cigam]
#21712056 - 05/22/15 08:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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What's wrong with me? Why did I think this was a PE grow? am I that senile?
ambient humidity in the room / area is a big deal when you pull all the polyfill during fruiting (not pinset).
I can pull all the polyfill because my ambient humidity is 50%. I could never do that in Denver in the winter.
growing fruitbodies love FAE. however, when the air being exchanged is really dry, you are going to limit yourself
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You would love my house then. 0% RH most of the time
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Pastywhyte said: You would love my house then. 0% RH most of the time 
How do humidifiers for the whole house work for you? Ever played around with it? I've never dealt with such low humidity, ever. Never even felt it personally.
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I have a central humidifier but it bit the dust a year ago. I have a few cool mist units that barely make a dent. Its crazy cause you don't need to worry about coasters. Blows my mind when I go somewhere humid and see condensation on beer cans n shit. Even with a functional central unit RH only gets up to about 10% or so.
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Haha no fuckin way sounds like here. I can leave my small fruits on a rack just in open air and they're almost cracker dry in a day or 2 :P
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Pastywhyte said: Its crazy cause you don't need to worry about coasters. Blows my mind when I go somewhere humid and see condensation on beer cans n shit. Even with a functional central unit RH only gets up to about 10% or so.

I never knew that. No condensation in a dry climate
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