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More FAE in Bulk Monotub?
    #21690277 - 05/17/15 11:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As you may be able to see, there is a little moisture on the substrate. Which I guess is suppose to evap off to initiate pinning? Yet there's not much moisture on the walls though. Besides the 3 larger ones you may see, there is only 4 smaller pins. Any suggestions? Perhaps drill another hole at the top of each side?



Any suggestions would be appreciated, I'm not trying to give up on this grow quite yet.


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke] * 1
    #21690287 - 05/17/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

How tight is your poly in the bottom and top holes?


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21690318 - 05/17/15 12:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Very loose in all holes


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21690336 - 05/17/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Pack your bottom holes damb near as tight as you can get it while leaving your top holes pretty loose.


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21690353 - 05/17/15 12:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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As you may be able to see, there is a little moisture on the substrate. Which I guess is suppose to evap off to initiate pinning? Yet there's not much moisture on the walls though. Besides the 3 larger ones you may see, there is only 4 smaller pins. Any suggestions? Perhaps drill another hole at the top of each side?



Any suggestions would be appreciated, I'm not trying to give up on this grow quite yet.



Id leave it as is, there's knots all over that sub. With the small holes you have keeping the poly loose imo would be the best option


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21690366 - 05/17/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

In my opinion it's dry, needs a misting and more fae. I stuff bottom holes tighter than a high school girl and don't even have poly on top holes. Get the entire surface glistening wet by misting lightly but no pooling water and fan it afterwards. Do it if and when it looks dry.

The bottom holes are quite small actually. Maybe keep them the way they are as said by ppp


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21690467 - 05/17/15 12:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Should I sterilize the water before misting, or would tap water be okay? And just fan for a few seconds to get out the stale air, right?


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21690483 - 05/17/15 12:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Tap water is fine ...mist from above and let it fall onto your sub until it glistens...then give it a gentle fanning for 15-20 seconds to get that water evaporating off the surface.


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21690485 - 05/17/15 12:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

No fan to evaporate the mist you just did. The "stale" air is never stale if you did the poly holes properly. So fan for like 30 seconds. You don't have to fan like a maniac either. Just a gentle breeze works lol. You can use just regular tap water.


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21690514 - 05/17/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What's the diameter of those holes? (They look a bit small)

Is that black tape, on the outside of the tub?


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Green Bastard]
    #21690560 - 05/17/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

1/4in. I used the big drill bit, not the one shaped like a screw.

I used this one



But yes, I've read black duct tape would help discourage side pins maybe even just a little bit, since I didn't line the sub with a plastic liner


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21690719 - 05/17/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It won't lol. Light doesn't induce pinning. 99% surface humidity and a lower humidity above it (top holes) for constant evaporation will cause pinning. If you don't want side pins, you've gotta make the surface more humid than the sides, or have a liner to stick to the sides for there to be no microclimate for pins in the first place.

I'm pretty sure the bottom holes are supposed to be 1.5" wide and top are 1". I don't even use polyfil for the top holes.


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21690798 - 05/17/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ahh I see. But yeah perhaps you're right.

I seen a monotub tek made by Ohmatic, with four holes at the bottom and two at the top like mine. He said the holes are about the diameter of his thumb, so I thought it'd work the same as his. His tub was probably smaller though. Never thought about that one.

I'll try some misting and fanning as suggested. My first goal was to copy Damions 50/50 coir tek, but now I'm just trying to save this grow lol


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21690910 - 05/17/15 03:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Go by the condensation on the surface of the substrate not the walls of the FC, the condensation on the walls of the FC is related temperature..



This is how I like to dial in my tubs. If I see dry spots in the middle or big dry spots around the poly I tighten up the bottom poly.

I like just a little dry area (just no condensation) real close to the poly so I know Im getting the max FAE without drying up the tub.


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: mushpunx]
    #21690938 - 05/17/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Haha my tubs have no condensation at all anywhere. Don't even believe in evap rings anymore lol. Just feel inside the top hole with your finger. If it feels humid you're good to go. Cubes fruit well in anything above 85% but need 99% surface humidity for a good pinset which is why we stuff bottom holes tight. Don't even need poly on top holes if it's got enough moisture in the sub.


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Mad Season]
    #21695046 - 05/18/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay well I'm definitely seeing more pins now. I tightened the bottom ones a little and left the top as loose as possible. To have humidity real high at the bottom.



The big guy up top fell over from the imbalance of growing on the side. The middle one just sprouted out sideways lol


I have a question in concerns to my next grow though. I already have 10 jars of Cambodians 100% colonized and I'll be spawning them to bulk tonight. Should I do my tub the same way with bigger holes, or do it a different way.

I'm not trying to be taught how to do anything, or to have my hand held through that process. Just curious which tub designs have worked better for you all:smirk:


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21695148 - 05/18/15 04:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not trying to be taught how to do anything, or to have my hand held through that process.




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Should I do my tub the same way with bigger holes, or do it a different way.




:lolwut:

Okay, I promise not to teach you anything and I guarantee ya won't learn nothing either :lmafo:


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21695213 - 05/18/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Lol this guy^

By all means teach me! Especially if it means getting the grows you got in your signature one day. I just kinda meant point me in the right direction.

And if I should do the same concept of my tub as shown above, but with bigger holes or do a different monotub design


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Re: More FAE in Bulk Monotub? [Re: Tylerwluke]
    #21695264 - 05/18/15 05:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well how you dial it in matters more than the size of the hole, tho the larger holes will need to be stuffed tighter. While the standard Ohmatic mono is a fine design, I have many that I have tweaked to deliver more FAE than his allow for.

Personally when it comes to the size of the holes I prefer 1.25" myself. The holes you are using are too small for my taste and your not really getting enough FAE by the looks of the fruits, quite fuzzy.


I think PPP was correct in saying to leave it before. The pic is quite poor so judging the RH is hard as the sub is blurred but based on the knots that were there, it was probably doing alright. I would take the poly right out of the top holes for now and loosen the bottom ones to where you had them before. Mist in the morning if you feel it looks dry, just a light spray will go a long way.

For next time I would suggest maybe one more hole between the two already on the bottoms on the long sides. Then maybe no poly in one of the top holes. Running a mono is pretty specific based on your own home conditions. A person living in Florida will need to do things quite different from someone in Arizona.


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    #21695322 - 05/18/15 05:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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