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Start FAE?
    #21690038 - 05/17/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I started these monotubs like 4 days ago.......they seem to be already colonized....


The top of them is extremely fuzzy....i am worried if i dont introduce FAE soon they will contam or something will go wrong, the coir tech i followed said i will need about 10 days...but that depends on how much spawn i add i guess.....



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Should i open them up and add polyfil now?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21690110 - 05/17/15 10:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Imo I'd wait for the first pins before I'd put it into fruiting... let the mycellium devour some of the nutes in that thing, let it establish itself a little further...I did the same thing with a rapid colonizing sub and I thought it was done at around five days turns out I should have waited. But hell what do I know that's just my opinion.


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21690144 - 05/17/15 11:03 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Imo I'd wait for the first pins before I'd put it into fruiting... let the mycellium devour some of the nutes in that thing, let it establish itself a little further...I did the same thing with a rapid colonizing sub and I thought it was done at around five days turns out I should have waited. But hell what do I know that's just my opinion.





I also opened one box earlier and it ended up fruiting - flushes weren't great but weren't terrible.

The other boxes i left closed for longer contamed out (not trich).


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21690284 - 05/17/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I too usually let them go until I see a few pins or knotted up real good.

Then I "late case"...

That's just how I do mine. There are several ways and people do some things differently.


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: FreeWorldOrder]
    #21690290 - 05/17/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Uhm...aren't you supposed to tape up the bottom holes of the mono only when spawning to bulk and waiting for colonization?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21690297 - 05/17/15 11:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Imo I'd wait for the first pins before I'd put it into fruiting... let the mycellium devour some of the nutes in that thing, let it establish itself a little further...I did the same thing with a rapid colonizing sub and I thought it was done at around five days turns out I should have waited. But hell what do I know that's just my opinion.





I also opened one box earlier and it ended up fruiting - flushes weren't great but weren't terrible.

The other boxes i left closed for longer contamed out (not trich).




I don't know where your contamination came from in those other tubs, but I doubt leaving them to consolidate longer is what caused it... if anything the longer you allow your sub to consolidate before introducing it to fruiting conditions the more contam resistant it becomes...it's really up to you whether or not to go ahead and fruit it now... I personally would wait...but yeah its up to you... if it contams during consolidation then it was infected to begin with ya know?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21690305 - 05/17/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Uhm...aren't you supposed to tape up the bottom holes of the mono only when spawning to bulk and waiting for colonization?



Correct... that is what he is doing if I'm not mistaken... he spawned to bulk and it is colonizing... is that what you were asking?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21690492 - 05/17/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hole size, and placement, seem odd. But, that could just be the angle of the pictures, and the excessively "dirty" inside walls, eh?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21693089 - 05/18/15 12:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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LocN9ne said:
Imo I'd wait for the first pins before I'd put it into fruiting... let the mycellium devour some of the nutes in that thing, let it establish itself a little further...I did the same thing with a rapid colonizing sub and I thought it was done at around five days turns out I should have waited. But hell what do I know that's just my opinion.





I also opened one box earlier and it ended up fruiting - flushes weren't great but weren't terrible.

The other boxes i left closed for longer contamed out (not trich).




I don't know where your contamination came from in those other tubs, but I doubt leaving them to consolidate longer is what caused it... if anything the longer you allow your sub to consolidate before introducing it to fruiting conditions the more contam resistant it becomes...it's really up to you whether or not to go ahead and fruit it now... I personally would wait...but yeah its up to you... if it contams during consolidation then it was infected to begin with ya know?





Yeah I agree with what you've said....I do think that leaving it too long while it's already consolidated with no FAE would also cause contam....the contam was that spiderweb shit....I noticed it was contam cause it changed the colour of the coir to a lighter weird color and had a different smell....

Should the coir/verm substrate turn completely while just like BRF/verm cakes would?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21693096 - 05/18/15 12:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Uhm...aren't you supposed to tape up the bottom holes of the mono only when spawning to bulk and waiting for colonization?





Which is exactly what i am doing.


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21693941 - 05/18/15 10:13 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If you didn't put a casing layer it will turn completely white "like a brf cake"... you may have a small stubborn spot or two. But for the most part, yeah It'll turn white...


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21696150 - 05/18/15 09:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If you didn't put a casing layer it will turn completely white "like a brf cake"... you may have a small stubborn spot or two. But for the most part, yeah It'll turn white...




Yeah the one that went contam i think i had added grounded coffee beans too it and had just pasturized them in the bucket with the coir and verm (which i later read somewhere isn't good enough to sterilze it).

I've also tried adding casing layers...but didn't this time for 4/5 boxes because i didn't have much coir left, my largest box has a casing layer though.

Also i've read a bunch of different stuff...:

Should i keep the colonizing monotubs in a garbage bag and away from light, or give them 12/12?

What do i need to do about Gas Exchange? Open up the box and let some of the carbon dioxide out? or just leave it?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21696196 - 05/18/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

do your tubs have actual lids, if so just put the lid on and leave it alone for 10 days... if not then yeah put a trash bag around it and then wait 10 days... don't worry about the c02 you want it high during this stage...after the 10 days is up take a look and see if it's 100% (on the un-cased ones) and if it is then introduce your pinning triggers (FAE/misting/fanning/12/12 lighting) for your cased sub you want to see mycellium poking up through most of it but not "colonized"...10 days seems to be the magic number...sorry if this is confusing from me.


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21696821 - 05/19/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

From his pictures he taped up the top holes as well. I was under the impression that you need only to tape the bottom holes and stuff the top with loose polyfil.

However, I did some searching and came to find out that you need to tape up the top holes as well and allow GE through the imperfect lid during colonization in bulk to spawn. Once fully colonized, you then place polyfil as I came to find out that changes in FAE is the main pinning trigger.

In conclusion, I answered my own question :super:


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21700498 - 05/19/15 11:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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do your tubs have actual lids, if so just put the lid on and leave it alone for 10 days... if not then yeah put a trash bag around it and then wait 10 days... don't worry about the c02 you want it high during this stage...after the 10 days is up take a look and see if it's 100% (on the un-cased ones) and if it is then introduce your pinning triggers (FAE/misting/fanning/12/12 lighting) for your cased sub you want to see mycellium poking up through most of it but not "colonized"...10 days seems to be the magic number...sorry if this is confusing from me.





Yes they have lids, they are typical monotubs with clip down lids.

So you're saying i absolutely don't need to worry about gas exchange or that the lack of fresh oxygen my cause the substrate to contam ?


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: Rosen_Rot]
    #21700503 - 05/19/15 11:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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From his pictures he taped up the top holes as well. I was under the impression that you need only to tape the bottom holes and stuff the top with loose polyfil.

However, I did some searching and came to find out that you need to tape up the top holes as well and allow GE through the imperfect lid during colonization in bulk to spawn. Once fully colonized, you then place polyfil as I came to find out that changes in FAE is the main pinning trigger.

In conclusion, I answered my own question :super:





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Re: Start FAE? [Re: agreedwitboardrule]
    #21700514 - 05/19/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

GE take place through the imperfect seal of the lid, like Rosen Rot said.


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Re: Start FAE? [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21701872 - 05/20/15 10:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Start FAE? [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21703041 - 05/20/15 04:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i so smurt herpyderp :laugh2:


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