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camplo
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Wall to wall flush from multispore
#21688727 - 05/16/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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We have had some members on the board who had excellent technique with casing and seemed to be able to get wall to wall flushes from multispore. I'm wondering what their secret is? Did they just get lucky? Am I just making this up in my head?
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: camplo]
#21688803 - 05/16/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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um...you may be making this up in your head
certain processes, like tissue cloning and agar isolation, would account for wall-to-wall flushes.
try and find a link to a particular thread that you've got in mind, might shed some light...also,
not saying you can't get a good flush from multispore, things like good genetics and luck would certainly play a role, as well as technique(how ever the hell they got their multispore culture, to begin with)
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: camplo]
#21688809 - 05/16/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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From what I understand a casing layer gives a better environment for the mycelium to grow in than just out right spawning to a bulk substrate alone. So if you use a casing layer then you will probably get a better pin set and flush than if you just spawn to bulk alone. With that being said, yes it still comes down to a roll of the dice with multispore, but you will generally get more bang for your buck with a casing layer because the mycelium will be more productive when a casing layer is used.
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: Willy Wonka]
#21688942 - 05/17/15 12:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I would or will post a link if I take the time to find a particular one, I've been on these forums for so long...its starting to blur together.
So could I say that coir seems to be the best casing material....but I've seen good flushes on cakes rolled in what looked like straight verm...Straw seems to pin very well too judging from straw logs, but that stuff scares me...straw might as well be green instead of yellow in my book.
CVG seems to be the go to nowadays actually. And its likely what I'll roll or case this http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21687311#21687311 in cvg.
I've never cased anything before and am trying to beef up my knowledge before its ready to go.
Hoping someone might say something significant that I didn't already know or have over looked on the topic.
I need to look into late casing http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/7708447/an/0/page/0 I think....I wonder if there are some new casing methods I don't know about....
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: camplo]
#21688990 - 05/17/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coir is not a casing. Nor is straw. Coir has nutitional vaule as does straw. Mycelium will eat coir and straw. Mycelium will tend to do better with coir and straw because it is getting additional nutrients that it would not otherwise get. A casing layer is something that lacks any nutritional vaule for mycelium. The purpose of a casing layer is to provide a sort of environmental eco system for the mycelium to thrive in while it eats up the bulk substrate. A good casing layer would consist of ingredients that will not provide nutrients to the mycelium, but instead will condition the substrate by adjusting the PH levels and helping to retain moisture. Paul Stamets gives the following as a good casing layer: https://www.shroomery.org/57/Stamets-Casing-Mixture •10 units peat •1 unit calcium sulfate (gypsum) •1 unit calcium carbonate (chalk)
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camplo
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: Willy Wonka]
#21689814 - 05/17/15 09:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You went all text book on me. I have that knowledge. I'm just trying to squeeze out, any info that might lead to a better pin set. Something I don't know already I guess. I don't know if you've read Fahtsters post about late casing or late casing with substrate material but his results looked very promising though I do believe he was using an isolate/clone.
Main objective of a casing is to provide a microclimate in which will support the best pinset. I'd focus less on what material is supposed to be used, by text book rule, and more on results. I'm not going to case anything with straw but I could and it would have a nice pin set because straw does well in that regard. I could case with coir and get very good pinsets as well. I will most likely use CVG plus perlite, call it PCVG, lol. A casing can be used to supply water yes...is it needed for that? Not always, there are other paths to make sure more than enough water is available, like using a substrate that holds plenty of water on its own.
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: camplo]
#21689840 - 05/17/15 09:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Coir is a casing. Also a bulk substrate. Old definitions are limiting and well old
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Quote:
MonkeyJesusFresco said: um...you may be making this up in your head
certain processes, like tissue cloning and agar isolation, would account for wall-to-wall flushes.
try and find a link to a particular thread that you've got in mind, might shed some light...also,
not saying you can't get a good flush from multispore, things like good genetics and luck would certainly play a role, as well as technique(how ever the hell they got their multispore culture, to begin with)
Well if it helps, here's a grow I did last week from a multispore. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21680344
No casing layer. Just coir and verm.
It's obviously somewhat lucky but also just doing I for a while and getting a feel for when to fruit, how often to mist and frequently fanning.
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: audiophoenix]
#21689846 - 05/17/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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There's so many genetics in MS that if you have good skill and techniques you should be able to push it to good if not excellent performance. Casing or not
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camplo
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: audiophoenix]
#21689860 - 05/17/15 09:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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audiophoenix said:
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MonkeyJesusFresco said: um...you may be making this up in your head
certain processes, like tissue cloning and agar isolation, would account for wall-to-wall flushes.
try and find a link to a particular thread that you've got in mind, might shed some light...also,
not saying you can't get a good flush from multispore, things like good genetics and luck would certainly play a role, as well as technique(how ever the hell they got their multispore culture, to begin with)
Well if it helps, here's a grow I did last week from a multispore. http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21680344
No casing layer. Just coir and verm.
It's obviously somewhat lucky but also just doing I for a while and getting a feel for when to fruit, how often to mist and frequently fanning.
Holy shit dude. Yes. So much yes going on there. Now I need you to make that happen here -> http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21687311#21687311
Since its what I'm gathering the casing knowledge for. Imagine if I could get the whole damn thing to pin like a cake, but wall to wall. Pinpornproducer might have to buy more cameras....its a joke.
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Re: Wall to wall flush from multispore [Re: camplo]
#21690279 - 05/17/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've had pretty good past results with mono's and trays inoculated with MS grain spawn.
I "late case" most all of my bulk grows.
Another thing I do even with mono's is do is mist (lightly) & fan several times per day until the pinset comes in.
I believe that has helped to get good pinsets.
Though like others have stated, genetics also play a part.
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