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FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG
    #21688590 - 05/16/15 10:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey all, I have been researching methods of growing mushies and after a lot of staying in the shadows I have decided to give it a whack.  I will be following the PF tek "lets grow mushrooms" video as my first reference and filled in the blanks with advice from many peoples opinions and experiences from what I have read.  The purpose of posting this is so I can get feedback from anyone who wants to give it as I need all the help I can get.  Any advice is appreciated, as I said it is my first time and if all goes well I think this could be a lifelong hobby, and its just fun anyways!  Here it goes:

Day 1:
I have put together the jars using brown rice flour, vermiculite, and water, I believe it was a 1:2:1 ratio respectively. I was careful not to pack it down, I only kinda took some away from the edges so I could wipe away with a fresh paper towel to get any moisture off the edges and top of jar.  Then, I added a layer of dry verm, about 1/2", the end result was a mixture almost to the top of the jar. All this with clean hands.

-Wrapped the jars in tin foil as tight as I could and boiled the 6 jars(4 holes in each jar I think 5/62" or something like that, really small, barely fit the needle in.) for about 80-90 minutes.  The pot ALMOST boiled dry once but I was quick to add water and the pot never stopped steaming.  I elevated the jars with 2 layers of lids and a layer of tin foil in between, the jars were maybe an inch away from the water, was careful not to put too much water.

-after done steaming, took em out and let them cool off for about 4 hours, then took a shower. put on a fresh longsleeve shirt. Then I set up my SAB.  I got a lighter, gloves, 70% iso alc, my 10CC syringe(B+) and a soapy water mixture, sprayed the box indirectly to get soapy water coated on the inside and flipped it over.  I washed my hands, put on the gloves, taped my sleeves over the ends of my gloves, then used the alcohol to clean the gloves. Wiped down the jars INSIDE the SAB with the ALC and then let dry for about 3 minutes.  I opened the syringe and attached the needle INSIDE the SAB.(I had the top part down, so I didn't use a lid, rather a towel slightly damp with the soap water, read this was a good method to use). Took the needle out of the SAB and flame sterilized it, then inoculated the first 3 jars..I FORGOT TO STERILIZE BETWEEN THE FIRST 3 BUT DID IT FOR THE LAST 3, so im crossing my fingers bigtime!

-Let everything sit for about 10 minutes then took the jars and placed them ontop of a dresser in my closet.

Im will let them sit for about 3 weeks, then after fully colonized, will wait another week, then birth and dunk and roll.

I am gonna post a pic of my Shotgun Terrarium as well as my SAB, let me know what yall think. 

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420] * 1
    #21688606 - 05/16/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21688618 - 05/16/15 10:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

here is my shotgun ter., as well as the Jars and my SAB. Opinions?







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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21691776 - 05/17/15 06:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

anyone have thoughts on these? made correctly? jars look good for just being sterilized?


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21692163 - 05/17/15 08:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's looking great :smile: i can tell you've been reading. Pf cakes seem to be more lenient than grains so I wouldn't sweat it. If they contam they contam lol.

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21692423 - 05/17/15 09:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yes, a lot and a lot of reading, been looking into agar and grain to grain transfer as well as monotubs, maybe will try when I have more experience, as I am still kinda confused of the processes, I guess more reading is required lol.  by the way, should I take the tape off of the jars so they can breathe better? also, someone told me to flip the jars after like 70% innoc., is that correct?

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21692496 - 05/17/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Don't flip and if it's micropore tape it'll only make it more contam resistant. You don't need much for enough GE.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21692513 - 05/17/15 09:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

gotcha, sorry for the pm lol, just basically asked if you had any more advice on the contam period, as well as the birthing and dunk and roll.  the perlite I got is miracle grow and it has nutrients on it, those will wash off from what ive seen people say, thoughts?

p.s.- my original mixture of verm and BRF was clumping quite a bit, should I add more water in the future to avoid this problem?

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420] * 1
    #21692524 - 05/17/15 09:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Usually if you don't see contams within 72 hours you're good to go. At least that's how an optimist looks :P.

Yeah just give the perlite a thorough rinsing and it'll be fine.

Once it's fully colonized give it a week of consolidation and fill a bowl with water and put it in it for 24 hours.

Just lay out a small pile of verm and roll them in it and place on a lid/foil in the sgfc. Mist them directly until they're glistening wet and fan after every misting. Keep them glistening 24/7 with regular misting. Pretty much that straightforward.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21692549 - 05/17/15 09:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

cool cool.  Im gonna post pictures after about 4 days to see if anyone can spot contams that I cant, as you know, this is my first time and I don't really know what to look for besides black shit and green shit lol.  Im only gonna touch them once a week to examine for contams, but like you suggested I will look after about 4 days and see.
how many times you usually mist per day?
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21692570 - 05/17/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:thumbup::rockon:

Truth be told I've never done a sgfc or pftek. Thought bird seed was a good replacement and figured out it was for manure and I've just always done it since haha. I've read the pf tek and sgfc a lot and it seems most need to mist minimum twice a day. 3 times a day is normal


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21692658 - 05/17/15 10:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

any chance you could send me a good easy to follow bird seed tek? depending on the yield of this(hoping at least 10G dry, would like to trip and have some for another or two) im probably going to be looking to do another tek that raises the yield bigtime.  Thanks for the input, and I will be posting pics in a few days of the jars so, like I said, I can get feedback and input, hopefully there wont be any contams!

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21696668 - 05/18/15 11:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

hello all, about how long is the average time till you can see some colonization in the jars?  the syringe I had had a HUUUGE black spot in the middle, so I know it was FULL of spores. just wondering.  Its been 4 days and I cant really see a difference, don't really know what to look for tbh but I know its supposed to be white lol.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21696889 - 05/19/15 12:57 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Don't worry boss. My jars are on day 4 and I still don't have visible signs of mycelium yet. Just gotta give it time.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21696893 - 05/19/15 12:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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hello all, about how long is the average time till you can see some colonization in the jars?  the syringe I had had a HUUUGE black spot in the middle, so I know it was FULL of spores. just wondering.  Its been 4 days and I cant really see a difference, don't really know what to look for tbh but I know its supposed to be white lol.



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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: 2bittoker]
    #21696918 - 05/19/15 01:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

gotcha man, if I don't see anything by 1 1/2 - 2 weeks imma consider it a bust, and I guess Ill have to start again :shrug:


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    #21696920 - 05/19/15 01:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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hello all, about how long is the average time till you can see some colonization in the jars?  the syringe I had had a HUUUGE black spot in the middle, so I know it was FULL of spores. just wondering.  Its been 4 days and I cant really see a difference, don't really know what to look for tbh but I know its supposed to be white lol.



2-7 days



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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
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firstTIMER420 said:
hello all, about how long is the average time till you can see some colonization in the jars?  the syringe I had had a HUUUGE black spot in the middle, so I know it was FULL of spores. just wondering.  Its been 4 days and I cant really see a difference, don't really know what to look for tbh but I know its supposed to be white lol.



2-7 days



It can take up to 2 weeks for germination.



so, if nothing by like 2 weeks ill DEFINETLY consider it a bust.. I imagine it wont though, I did everything 99.99% correct, fingers crossed I guess.  I guess my next avenue Is to post pics after a week, and see what yall think.

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    #21696949 - 05/19/15 01:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, 4 days is nothing. :thumbup:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21707632 - 05/21/15 07:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey all, I have been researching methods of growing mushies and after a lot of staying in the shadows I have decided to give it a whack.  I will be following the PF tek "lets grow mushrooms" video as my first reference and filled in the blanks with advice from many peoples opinions and experiences from what I have read.  The purpose of posting this is so I can get feedback from anyone who wants to give it as I need all the help I can get.  Any advice is appreciated, as I said it is my first time and if all goes well I think this could be a lifelong hobby, and its just fun anyways!  Here it goes:

Day 1:
I have put together the jars using brown rice flour, vermiculite, and water, I believe it was a 1:2:1 ratio respectively. I was careful not to pack it down, I only kinda took some away from the edges so I could wipe away with a fresh paper towel to get any moisture off the edges and top of jar.  Then, I added a layer of dry verm, about 1/2", the end result was a mixture almost to the top of the jar. All this with clean hands.

-Wrapped the jars in tin foil as tight as I could and boiled the 6 jars(4 holes in each jar I think 5/62" or something like that, really small, barely fit the needle in.) for about 80-90 minutes.  The pot ALMOST boiled dry once but I was quick to add water and the pot never stopped steaming.  I elevated the jars with 2 layers of lids and a layer of tin foil in between, the jars were maybe an inch away from the water, was careful not to put too much water.

-after done steaming, took em out and let them cool off for about 4 hours, then took a shower. put on a fresh longsleeve shirt. Then I set up my SAB.  I got a lighter, gloves, 70% iso alc, my 10CC syringe(B+) and a soapy water mixture, sprayed the box indirectly to get soapy water coated on the inside and flipped it over.  I washed my hands, put on the gloves, taped my sleeves over the ends of my gloves, then used the alcohol to clean the gloves. Wiped down the jars INSIDE the SAB with the ALC and then let dry for about 3 minutes.  I opened the syringe and attached the needle INSIDE the SAB.(I had the top part down, so I didn't use a lid, rather a towel slightly damp with the soap water, read this was a good method to use). Took the needle out of the SAB and flame sterilized it, then inoculated the first 3 jars..I FORGOT TO STERILIZE BETWEEN THE FIRST 3 BUT DID IT FOR THE LAST 3, so im crossing my fingers bigtime!

-Let everything sit for about 10 minutes then took the jars and placed them ontop of a dresser in my closet.

Im will let them sit for about 3 weeks, then after fully colonized, will wait another week, then birth and dunk and roll.

I am gonna post a pic of my Shotgun Terrarium as well as my SAB, let me know what yall think. 

END of day 1. Thanks for reading.




DAY 5:

Well, here it is yall, day 5 of colonization/project, and if I do say so myself these are coming along great!(well, maybe average :grin: )

Here are the pics of the 5 that have taken so far, the 6th im not posting because nothing is happening,(I used what was left in the syringe, less than .25CC)




Those were the 2 best pics, bear in mind the only camera I have is an ipad 2.







The last 3 pics are kinda blurry but you CAN see the white spots where the myc growth is starting.:thumbup:
almost all of them have growth where all 4 innoc holes are, so im taking that as a good sign, in about 5 days I will post some more to see if yall can see and contams I cant(hopefully none!)

let me know what yall think!
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21707949 - 05/21/15 08:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: wowimflabbergasted]
    #21708109 - 05/21/15 09:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

by the way dude, I used 1/2 inch drill bit for my SGFC holes, which is what the guide I followed said to use but im seeing 1/4 all over the place on here, should I make a new one?


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21708124 - 05/21/15 09:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You could always try it out and see how it works. But with 1/2" holes I'm thinking it might let too much air exchange and not maintain proper humidity. But it's always worth a shot and see how it works. If it doesn't work then you have successful learned how NOT to make a sgfc.

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    #21709809 - 05/22/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yup, I re checked the drill bit size, and I did it correctly, idk why I had a 1/2" bit in my head though, guess im just psyching myself out.  by the way, if the cakes start pinning in the jars, is that an indicator of when they should be taken out? or does that mean I waited too long to birth them.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21709827 - 05/22/15 09:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Some people wait that long. They're just extra consolidated! Go ahead and birth them now.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Zephen]
    #21709852 - 05/22/15 09:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

they haven't gotten that far I was just wondering lol, I wish!.


if it only takes like 2 weeks to reach full colonization before the consolidation period, so a total of three weeks, can I still birth it? from my understanding you sh0uld leave them In the jar for about 3 weeks then 1 week consol so about a month in total.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21710048 - 05/22/15 10:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It just depends how fast your jars colonize. If they fully colonize in 2 weeks, wait 1 week to consolidate, and then birth them. If they're ready then they are ready.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Zephen]
    #21711129 - 05/22/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Pins before full colonization usually means there is a contam and the mushrooms are trying to grow and reproduce while they still can.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: wowimflabbergasted] * 1
    #21711464 - 05/22/15 05:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Great job!!! You didn't deviate from the tek at all, that's rare...everything looks good...keep it up and ask all the questions you want. Good vibes your way!!


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: LocN9ne]
    #21711490 - 05/22/15 05:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm thinking you should get another fc and use 1/4" holes. Sgfcs are actually already pretty damn good at fae and can dry up a lot which is why you have to mist a lot. Normally we see contaminations. Everyone does even the best of the best. Sometimes it's not bad enough to toss cause of a killer pinset. I'd just keep the 1/2" hole fc around for the contaminated/suspected for isolation and tape up some of the holes if the isolated ones are getting too dry


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21712287 - 05/22/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm thinking you should get another fc and use 1/4" holes. Sgfcs are actually already pretty damn good at fae and can dry up a lot which is why you have to mist a lot. Normally we see contaminations. Everyone does even the best of the best. Sometimes it's not bad enough to toss cause of a killer pinset. I'd just keep the 1/2" hole fc around for the contaminated/suspected for isolation and tape up some of the holes if the isolated ones are getting too dry





I have 2 questions:
if the jars do start pinning early because of a contam, should I throw em out or put em in the chamber and let them do their thing?

also,i was reading that even if the cakes have a contam, they can grow over it and still reproduce.  If I do have a cake that gets contams in the SGFC, should I toss it or take a chance? im guessing it depends on how bad it is.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21712300 - 05/22/15 10:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

1- hard to say. If the contamination spreads easily I'd just toss it. If it isn't aggressive and the mycelium has truly stalled I'd wash it off and fruit in isolation.

I'd always put previously contaminated cakes into isolation. Fruit in the contamination chamber :wink:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21712389 - 05/22/15 10:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

mycelium stalls? like stops growing for a couple days?

and are there any certain contaminations rthat if you see you immediately wanna throw away doesn't matter of the circumstances?

and, if the cake does have contams and you end up fruiting, im kinda wondering if that would be safe to consume...


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420] * 1
    #21713549 - 05/23/15 09:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. Except it stops for weeks not days. Also usually pins too when it is stalled.

Yes. Almost all contaminations should get tossed immediately. Cobweb and trich come to mind as good examples of things to be tossed immediately.

There's a few contaminations you shouldn't even touch let alone eat. The colours are pink/purple and black. As well as fruit body contaminations. Everything else is fine. In the wild all you eat are mushrooms from contaminated substrates


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21716800 - 05/24/15 08:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think a couple of the jars may be contaminated, for some reason it looks like there is condensation in the jars, like water on the sides in a couple spots, im hoping they aren't contamed and its just natural bi product, I will post pics later today.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21717243 - 05/24/15 11:43 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey all, I have been researching methods of growing mushies and after a lot of staying in the shadows I have decided to give it a whack.  I will be following the PF tek "lets grow mushrooms" video as my first reference and filled in the blanks with advice from many peoples opinions and experiences from what I have read.  The purpose of posting this is so I can get feedback from anyone who wants to give it as I need all the help I can get.  Any advice is appreciated, as I said it is my first time and if all goes well I think this could be a lifelong hobby, and its just fun anyways!  Here it goes:

Day 1:
I have put together the jars using brown rice flour, vermiculite, and water, I believe it was a 1:2:1 ratio respectively. I was careful not to pack it down, I only kinda took some away from the edges so I could wipe away with a fresh paper towel to get any moisture off the edges and top of jar.  Then, I added a layer of dry verm, about 1/2", the end result was a mixture almost to the top of the jar. All this with clean hands.

-Wrapped the jars in tin foil as tight as I could and boiled the 6 jars(4 holes in each jar I think 5/62" or something like that, really small, barely fit the needle in.) for about 80-90 minutes.  The pot ALMOST boiled dry once but I was quick to add water and the pot never stopped steaming.  I elevated the jars with 2 layers of lids and a layer of tin foil in between, the jars were maybe an inch away from the water, was careful not to put too much water.

-after done steaming, took em out and let them cool off for about 4 hours, then took a shower. put on a fresh longsleeve shirt. Then I set up my SAB.  I got a lighter, gloves, 70% iso alc, my 10CC syringe(B+) and a soapy water mixture, sprayed the box indirectly to get soapy water coated on the inside and flipped it over.  I washed my hands, put on the gloves, taped my sleeves over the ends of my gloves, then used the alcohol to clean the gloves. Wiped down the jars INSIDE the SAB with the ALC and then let dry for about 3 minutes.  I opened the syringe and attached the needle INSIDE the SAB.(I had the top part down, so I didn't use a lid, rather a towel slightly damp with the soap water, read this was a good method to use). Took the needle out of the SAB and flame sterilized it, then inoculated the first 3 jars..I FORGOT TO STERILIZE BETWEEN THE FIRST 3 BUT DID IT FOR THE LAST 3, so im crossing my fingers bigtime!

-Let everything sit for about 10 minutes then took the jars and placed them ontop of a dresser in my closet.

Im will let them sit for about 3 weeks, then after fully colonized, will wait another week, then birth and dunk and roll.

I am gonna post a pic of my Shotgun Terrarium as well as my SAB, let me know what yall think. 

END of day 1. Thanks for reading.




DAY 5:

Well, here it is yall, day 5 of colonization/project, and if I do say so myself these are coming along great!(well, maybe average :grin: )

Here are the pics of the 5 that have taken so far, the 6th im not posting because nothing is happening,(I used what was left in the syringe, less than .25CC)




Those were the 2 best pics, bear in mind the only camera I have is an ipad 2.







The last 3 pics are kinda blurry but you CAN see the white spots where the myc growth is starting.:thumbup:
almost all of them have growth where all 4 innoc holes are, so im taking that as a good sign, in about 5 days I will post some more to see if yall can see and contams I cant(hopefully none!)

let me know what yall think!
-thanks

END of day 5





so here it is, DAY 8

here are the jars, im gonna put the first two that I think may be contaminated, as I can see what looks like water drops/condensation in them, its not bad, and not throughout the whole jar.




And here are the rest


Let me know what yall think, I guess you kinda cant really see what im talking about as far as condensation/water drops in the first 4 pics, which are 2 of one and 2 of another jar. but from your experience, does that mean a bacterial contam?

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21717889 - 05/24/15 03:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

since the pics didn't really show what I was talking about for the contams, I took better pics. this is the 1st jar, you can see it better.  what im talking about is on the right side inside the white part, looks like water drops/condensation, and that might be exactly what it is, but im not sure, let me know what yall think.\

by the way, I got my SGFC for contam cakes now:rockon:



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end of day 8.2

@MAD, im trying to browse and get ahold of some fruiting contam pics, so I can see what to look for, ive read that white fuzzys on fruting bodies means that not enough humidity or something I forget, but I thought it was worse than that, maybe there are different kinds.  Can anyone link a good page for JUST FRUITING CONTAMS?

any yup that makes sense, I guess a pile of shit would have a pretty good amount of contams in it..:badshroom:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420] * 1
    #21717903 - 05/24/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's fine buddy. Condensation is normal.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21717916 - 05/24/15 03:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was thinking it was ok, just wanted to make sure thought that's why I took some clearer pictures.  appreciate the help dude. im nervous about this if you couldn't tell.  by the way, I got 4 more spore syringes and im deciding what I should do with em, im thinking about trying agar and been watching some vids but it seems kinda difficult...


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21717936 - 05/24/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's not. Easier than grains. My agar prep is really easy. 2 grams agar agar, 2 grams dry light malt extract (from a brewing supply store) for every 100 mL of water. For the malt extract, it's really sticky so I pour into a folded piece of paper and weigh it out, then pour it into the pot. I boil it all together and use pasty plates.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21718166 - 05/24/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

thank you for the ratios...but im kinda confused on the paste part, in these vids
http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032261#21032261

when he is boiling and takes up some water in the homemade petri(ziplock cup thing), he keeps swirling it around and then putting it back. he does this for a while before finishing, why?


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21735028 - 05/28/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Quote:

firstTIMER420 said:
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firstTIMER420 said:
Hey all, I have been researching methods of growing mushies and after a lot of staying in the shadows I have decided to give it a whack.  I will be following the PF tek "lets grow mushrooms" video as my first reference and filled in the blanks with advice from many peoples opinions and experiences from what I have read.  The purpose of posting this is so I can get feedback from anyone who wants to give it as I need all the help I can get.  Any advice is appreciated, as I said it is my first time and if all goes well I think this could be a lifelong hobby, and its just fun anyways!  Here it goes:

Day 1:
I have put together the jars using brown rice flour, vermiculite, and water, I believe it was a 1:2:1 ratio respectively. I was careful not to pack it down, I only kinda took some away from the edges so I could wipe away with a fresh paper towel to get any moisture off the edges and top of jar.  Then, I added a layer of dry verm, about 1/2", the end result was a mixture almost to the top of the jar. All this with clean hands.

-Wrapped the jars in tin foil as tight as I could and boiled the 6 jars(4 holes in each jar I think 5/62" or something like that, really small, barely fit the needle in.) for about 80-90 minutes.  The pot ALMOST boiled dry once but I was quick to add water and the pot never stopped steaming.  I elevated the jars with 2 layers of lids and a layer of tin foil in between, the jars were maybe an inch away from the water, was careful not to put too much water.

-after done steaming, took em out and let them cool off for about 4 hours, then took a shower. put on a fresh longsleeve shirt. Then I set up my SAB.  I got a lighter, gloves, 70% iso alc, my 10CC syringe(B+) and a soapy water mixture, sprayed the box indirectly to get soapy water coated on the inside and flipped it over.  I washed my hands, put on the gloves, taped my sleeves over the ends of my gloves, then used the alcohol to clean the gloves. Wiped down the jars INSIDE the SAB with the ALC and then let dry for about 3 minutes.  I opened the syringe and attached the needle INSIDE the SAB.(I had the top part down, so I didn't use a lid, rather a towel slightly damp with the soap water, read this was a good method to use). Took the needle out of the SAB and flame sterilized it, then inoculated the first 3 jars..I FORGOT TO STERILIZE BETWEEN THE FIRST 3 BUT DID IT FOR THE LAST 3, so im crossing my fingers bigtime!

-Let everything sit for about 10 minutes then took the jars and placed them ontop of a dresser in my closet.

Im will let them sit for about 3 weeks, then after fully colonized, will wait another week, then birth and dunk and roll.

I am gonna post a pic of my Shotgun Terrarium as well as my SAB, let me know what yall think. 

END of day 1. Thanks for reading.




DAY 5:

Well, here it is yall, day 5 of colonization/project, and if I do say so myself these are coming along great!(well, maybe average :grin: )

Here are the pics of the 5 that have taken so far, the 6th im not posting because nothing is happening,(I used what was left in the syringe, less than .25CC)




Those were the 2 best pics, bear in mind the only camera I have is an ipad 2.







The last 3 pics are kinda blurry but you CAN see the white spots where the myc growth is starting.:thumbup:
almost all of them have growth where all 4 innoc holes are, so im taking that as a good sign, in about 5 days I will post some more to see if yall can see and contams I cant(hopefully none!)

let me know what yall think!
-thanks

END of day 5





so here it is, DAY 8

here are the jars, im gonna put the first two that I think may be contaminated, as I can see what looks like water drops/condensation in them, its not bad, and not throughout the whole jar.




And here are the rest


Let me know what yall think, I guess you kinda cant really see what im talking about as far as condensation/water drops in the first 4 pics, which are 2 of one and 2 of another jar. but from your experience, does that mean a bacterial contam?

END OF DAY 8




Beginning of day 12:

Alright well here it is guys, feels like its been forever but I cant believe its only been 12 days. My questions for this post, as always, will be below the pics:
jar 2

jar 3:


jar 4:


jar 5:


Well, there they are, I think they are looking pretty good from other pics I have seen of BRF jars around the 2 week mark.

My question is, how do I know when the jars are fully colonized, and it is time to start counting down the consolidation period(7 days)?

besides that, give me your opinion of how long till the jars ill be ready to consolidate and then the SGFC.

-Thanks

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21737484 - 05/29/15 04:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

by the way, there is A lot of condensation ins some of the jars, and most of them have water starting to gather/pool at the bottom of the jars.  some are almost ready, but like 3 of them are still really ropey. 
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21767996 - 06/05/15 10:34 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Ok, well the next step is done, and the cakes have been birthed!  submerged them in water and now just waiting for the 24hr mark.  All the cakes look beautiful and slid out easier than thought.  After that, will place in the SGFC and then the EXCITING PART BEGINS!

I have heard/read differing opinions on  how long to let the cakes sit I the SGFC the first day without misting and fanning them for the first time.  From what ive gathered, im going to let them sit for about 4 hours, then mist and fan for the first time, I figure that will trigger pinning.  Thoughts?


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    #21772349 - 06/06/15 11:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Here are the pics of my terrarium, as well as one of the cakes. I added a little over 3" of perlite.  Please let me know if you think the cakes look wet enough, and any other advice about the fruiting stage would be awesome

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21772505 - 06/06/15 11:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

What is your sgfc sitting on? And how close is it to the walls on any of the sides?


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    #21772576 - 06/07/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Minimum of perlite should be 5 inches. You want the cake to be glistening wet. The closeup looks a little dry. Needs more misting and more perlite.

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21772667 - 06/07/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I do not think your environ is humid enough.  Buy a 7 dollar humidity indicator.  I think you're at 78% and not ideal. 90+ never fails.


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    #21775918 - 06/07/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok, I measured after switching the bottom out to regular half pint jars, and its 4 inches, I don't really have anything else to raise it.

I have about 4 1/2" of perlite in there, when I first put them in, it was at 3, but off instinct I decided to raise it.  most things I read before said 3-5" so I decided to go higher, figured more humidity couldn't hurt.

also, do they sell humid indicators at wal mart or something?  If not where at?
also, its about 6 inches from the wall on all sides, except the closet which is pretty close on 1 side but I need it to support the light above it.
can you over water the cakes? cuz I think that's what ive been doing today. I thought it looked a little dry yesterday.  Ive been spraying the shit out of them to make sure they are soaked, about every 5-7 hours the water inside disappears and I need to re water, that ideal


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    #21776049 - 06/07/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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ok, I measured after switching the bottom out to regular half pint jars, and its 4 inches, I don't really have anything else to raise it.

I have about 4 1/2" of perlite in there, when I first put them in, it was at 3, but off instinct I decided to raise it.  most things I read before said 3-5" so I decided to go higher, figured more humidity couldn't hurt.

also, do they sell humid indicators at wal mart or something?  If not where at?
also, its about 6 inches from the wall on all sides, except the closet which is pretty close on 1 side but I need it to support the light above it.
can you over water the cakes? cuz I think that's what ive been doing today. I thought it looked a little dry yesterday.  Ive been spraying the shit out of them to make sure they are soaked, about every 5-7 hours the water inside disappears and I need to re water, that ideal




also, if the humidity ends up being too low in the case, how would I go about increasing it?


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    #21776744 - 06/07/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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also, if the humidity ends up being too low in the case, how would I go about increasing it?





Cover half of the holes with scotch tape.  Less airflow = greater humidity but lower FAE.  Maybe cover all of the holes on top to start out with?    You'll get it.  But buy a humidity indicator first.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
    #21776790 - 06/08/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Don't worry about humidity.  If you built your SGFC to spec you will be fine.  And do not cover any of the holes up.  The sgfc needs the holes to work properly.

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    #21776796 - 06/08/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Don't worry about humidity.  If you built your SGFC to spec you will be fine.  And do not cover any of the holes up.  The sgfc needs the holes to work properly.



:whathesaid: covering holes in the chamber can actually lower the RH. Humidity is most important at the sub surface.  The roll in verm provides that. Fresh air is super important.  Don't tape up holes.


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    #21779159 - 06/08/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

thnks for the input. also, ive been looking at hydrometers, and the tobacco shop near me has hydrometers and also instruments that add humidity as well, they are cheaper than the hydrometer.  I was wondering, if I don't have the desired hum. should I add one of those to reach it?
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    #21779216 - 06/08/15 03:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

No. Things like that are a waste. Learn from your sub and fruits whats needed not what some gadget thinks is needed. Learn how to run a chamber instead of buying needless junk. The SGFC needs wet perlite or hydroton and the cakes need misting. That's it.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21779486 - 06/08/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pftek works easier/less contams usually for newbies than grains like one said

As long as your syringe is good, which is 99,xx% likely if you use one of the sponsors you should be good

Bacteria is one thing you should look out for when you open the jars one day
If it smells slightly sour/sweet , sniff it more closely

A good jar smells so good you want to smell it again
A bacteria jar smells kinda weird, sweet, sticks to your nose - you feel bad after smelling it maybe

And a mold jar you dont want to sniff, dont open a mold jar

If you sniff a cake that smells really bad, it has mold inside it likely, toss it away from your grow quickly


But seems you have followed good sterile procedure and all steps look correct, incl your sgfc, lots of holes.
I can't see any mistakes right away, you should probably get plenty of fruits

Avoid using an incubator, I will really recommend against them, they hurt grows often as they make bacteria more likely to grow faster iirc

Mycellium colonizes just fine on any shelf in light, no need for darkness either
But keeping them in a drawer of some sort seems optimal.

Stick with good sterile procedures, you can never be too obsessive with this, avoid breathing into jars when you inoculate etc.

A good jar lid design has a lot to do with success too. But you can get great 99,x% success with regular tall drinking glasses + 2 layers of alufoil over.

Those are actually great, but work best with LC because normal spores take too long - else they may take a month and risk early fruiting

So all in all pftek's method really cannot be beat, it's still a very good beginner method, if you follow it you will keep having success.

But when you make your first print and make shrooms from that print then things can start to fail - mold and bacteria.

No spore print is sterile.

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    #21779509 - 06/08/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Another good idea is to avoid touching your jars after you inoculate

touching them can disturb the dry verm layer where contams may be in, and introduce contams

if you avoid touching them you will have more success than if you tilt your jars / touch them

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    #21779659 - 06/08/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I gotcha, guess ill just have to trust the nethods I'm using.
How long should it take to see some pins? I'm only on day two but Ive seen some that get pins days 2-4.

Also, I now know how to mist the cakes, and understand what it means to have glistening cakes so I'm not worried about that. Only thing that makes me worry about the humidity is that the water dissipated really fast in the sgfc
If the humidity isn't high enough I'm guessing adding more perlite would be satisfactory. Correct?


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    #21779961 - 06/08/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I wouldn't buy a hygrometer for a SGFC first time grow, just make sure you got several inches of plenty moist perlite in the bottom

think 3" is recommended at least or so, or no less than 2.5" - but see the tek

if you go below this , you may fail
if you store your sgfc in a bad location with no airflow around (closet) you may fail
if you fail to raise your sgfc from the table you may fail partly - it is important, put some coke capsules under it and a towel or such

raising the sgfc is essential

you got holes in the bottom, and you need air intake there... - else it all halts, deformed small shrooms


A last sidenote: it is recommended to have some good lighting, a CFL blue light tube works really great, one armature of that or 2 , gets plenty of pins
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    #21779998 - 06/08/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Pinning takes a while... be patient... 1-2 weeks is not uncommon .. :-)


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    #21780274 - 06/08/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

with 100% humidity, 4 days has been the max till pins, multiple times.  Somewhat poor FAE, but no choice there.    Lots of misting and fanning.


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    #21780394 - 06/08/15 07:49 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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with 100% humidity, 4 days has been the max till pins, multiple times.  Somewhat poor FAE, but no choice there.    Lots of misting and fanning.



I believe that depends much on the strain of the mushroom you're trying to grow.

Some strains won't even pin at all - not all produce fruits.

Some are late pinners

With a good MS syringe of decent quality - like most vendors sell, the pinning is quick

But once you start making your own syringes it can be much slower in my experience, I've tried 2 weeks before I think
but not everything has been optimal all the time

I wouldn't expect serious amount of pinning before around 1 week, and likely 1.5 weeks
just keep fanning and being like a little child waiting for christmas ;-)


(a SGFC seems to pin quicker than a monotub for me it seems, maybe due to heavier airflow and artifical light - monotubs only get indirect sunlight few hours a day i.e.)
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    #21780430 - 06/08/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Wow. There is so much bad info being spewed all over the last page of this thread that I don't even know what to tell the OP other than to just keep the steady course of misting when the moisture from the last mist is gone, only fanning after you mist, and update with pics. Ignore most everything else people have told you in the last 7 posts. Its pretty much all garbage.

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    #21780632 - 06/08/15 08:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:whathesaid: If it dries up that fast add an inch or 2 of perlite, keep it wet. Should be 5-6 inches. Maybe getting it elevated higher than the 1/2 pints. Use quart jars or something. It should be 6 inches or more above the ground. Use a milk crate or something. It just needs to get elevated more.

Also you probably don't even have to fan after misting. I know I don't. I just mist when needed and let it be. It evaporates fast due to the lower rh anyways. Other than that just keep doing what you're doing.


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    #21780696 - 06/08/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

:grin:

thanks for the info mad and pasty, and also everyone else thank you for trying to help, I appreciate it. :thumbup:

it seems since ive started misting till they are glistening on the top that it will last 5-7 hours before I have to mist again, sometimes 8 hours but that was only once.  Like I said before, im going to trust in the methods ive chosen to use, and ive read enough on this site to have some red flags pop up when I am told certain things, although I still have a lot more to learn.

When I raised it up, I ended up having to put a jar in the middle of the bottom because it started to bend from all the weight of the wet perlite, its blocking about 2 and a half holes, good or bad?

The reason I started worrying is because on RR's vids he already had pins and mushies were halfway grown in 4 days, but I have to remind myself, he actually knows what he is doing!

By the way, I don't think I added this but I am growing B+, seemed like the most logical choice for a first time grower, from what ive read they are hardy and pretty easy to grow.

By the way im embarrassed to say this but I wasted a WHOLE PC GOLDEN TEACHER syringe the other day!  forgot to put foil over when I steamed, and the inside was SOAKED in water when I took the jars out, although I didn't notice until AFTER I innocd them and let them sit for 3 days, started noticing black shit inside and I tossed them immediately:(  so that sucks bigtime, but I gaurentee I WILL NOT forget proper procedure again

I also started 6 PC Mexi-Cub jars that will hopefully be finished colonizing after the last flush from my current B+ project.

Tomorrow I am going to be adding more perlite, as I am only at 4 1/2" in my SGFC, I also rotated it so it has at least 12" of room on all sides and it pretty close to the middle of the room. What can I say, im learning as I grow.
Also, I cannot elevate them any more as I have nothing else that I can think of to do it with, no milk crates here!

also switched to a 14W 6500k CFL today, the one I was using was only 14W 5000K.

Im seriously considering getting an analog hygrometer, but have had multiple people tell me its a waste of money...so still debating it unfortunately, as I am one of those people who needs to be certain of EVERYTHING im doing... and it sucks..

I will post pics tomorrow to get your feedback, again, thanks for the input yall! :hi:


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    #21790331 - 06/10/15 08:46 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok so here is some pics and I have a question, I read on how it should and shouldn't look that if a cake is taking too long to pin, wax paper can be applied around it(in the shape of a jar) and only lifted off to mist, whats yalls take on that?

also, the cakes seem to be growing mycelium out, like towards the air, it just looks weird to me.

(pics are from earlier today I have since trimmed the foil and added more perlite)

I added an inch of perlite today and im now at 5 1/2", so I figure the rH should be a little closer to optimal, but to add the perlite I had to take the cakes out 1 by one, and it looks like the cakes are starting to attach to the tin foil, so I hope I didn't damage them too much, also, I hope they don't contam from being outside the SGFC.

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    #21790461 - 06/10/15 09:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I dislike pseudo casings and the myc is just colonizing the verm a bit. Might be due to a short consolidation but is nothing to worry about.


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    #21792315 - 06/11/15 09:32 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

day 4, still no pins, no knots, starting to get worried. ive read that if no pins in a week or two then to re-dunk the cake, but not re roll, is that correct? the cake is still growing, but not having any knots or pins.

also, since I added the perlite, its more than halfway up the SGFC.

I know it depends on hw big the SGFC is, but how close to the top should the cakes be? im thinking of adding more perlite

also, there is a jar in the center of the bottom, as it was bending pretty bad from all the weight so I propped a jar in there to support, wondering if that will mess up the air flow.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21792811 - 06/11/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everything looks good. I would stop worrying.  4 days is nothing in this hobby. What you should do is start some more cakes to take your mind off it.

I have had APE take a month to pin. Again how long you consolidated is the biggest factor in how long it might take to pin.


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    #21794846 - 06/11/15 08:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I gotcha, I consolidated them for a full week, but they only took like 2 1/2 weeks to get to the 1st consol day. faster then I thought it was going to take.

I started 6 Mexi-cub BRF jars about 6 days ago, and saw growth 2 days ago in those, I think 1 might have contams, but it might just be the verm/BRF pushed up against the glass making it look weird, imma post a pic tomorrow.

I understand, Just thought they would pin faster than this, guess they gotta grow up a little bit more before they are ready to:growshrooms:


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    #21794897 - 06/11/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Well a week is the bare minimum.  With a fast colonization I would do two.weeks myself.


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    #21795116 - 06/11/15 09:37 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

makes sense, now I guess this time ill let them consolidate for a week and a half to two weeks this time, I took them out at a week because 1 that's what the tek said and 2 there was a lot of moisture buildup in the jar and I was afraid it would contam, am I wrong for thinking that?


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    #21795261 - 06/11/15 10:17 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Condensation doesn't cause contams. Contams cause contams. Excessive moisture can make colonization difficult for the myc and give things like bacteria an edge, but is not the vector for the contam.


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    #21795494 - 06/11/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ahh, I see. Thank you for clarifying. 

The cakes are really growing fast, Some are almost reaching 1" into the air on some parts of the cake, No pins yet though.

What do you think about adding a second light? I have a couple more bulbs left and was wondering if that would help growing/pinning.


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    #21796071 - 06/12/15 05:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Light is good for development but IMO won't do jack for pinning. Really 5 days is nothing. Grow yerself some penis where it takes 3 weeks for pins and then you will know what it means to wait.


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    #21798283 - 06/12/15 04:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some of the pics from today, like I mentioned earlier, it seems like the mycelium are reaching outwards, trying to get away...

As per usual the cake is also starting to colonize the tin foil, which is normal I guess.
(will be adding 2 more pics later)



The only other thing im kinda finding weird is that the cakes are growing in certain spots and not in others, hmmm.

My humidity is finally at an optimal level because I added another inch of perlite.

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    #21798675 - 06/12/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Someone is about to tell you that you don't have enough fae...


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    #21799222 - 06/12/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Someone is about to tell you that you don't have enough fae...




Doesn't look like aerial myc. Doesn't look like FAE issues. Looks like something else. I would rake up the perlite and use a pen to ensure the bottom holes are not plugged. That should guarantee good FAE. But I also suggest the OP stops misting for a day. Looks wet. Take a pic of it tomorrow.


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    #21799737 - 06/12/15 09:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Someone is about to tell you that you don't have enough fae...




Doesn't look like aerial myc. Doesn't look like FAE issues. Looks like something else. I would rake up the perlite and use a pen to ensure the bottom holes are not plugged. That should guarantee good FAE. But I also suggest the OP stops misting for a day. Looks wet. Take a pic of it tomorrow.




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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21799811 - 06/12/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

gotcha, I mixed around the perlite and put a pen thru the holes from the bottom up to make sure they weren't blocked, I still had 1 watering/misting session left today and im going to skip it and take pics around 5 tomorrow, and will take it from there.

Hopefully this turns around, I want some damn fruits!  I thought I was doing everything right but I guess not unfortunately. 

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21799906 - 06/12/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Id just let things happen , if you go a full ten to fourteen days with no pins then start to worry about what could be going wrong. But six days after birthing , try to keep things consistent..

And what was stated above, definitely give misting a rest for a day or two. Then proceed and mist half as much. It really doesn't take alot unless your cakes/casings are really drying out .

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21799965 - 06/12/15 10:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

now I see why you have TC next to your name pasty.

Thanks for the advice everyone else.

When I picked up the cakes to mix the perlite up and fix the blocked holes, I thought to myself, "wow these cakes are really heavy" . so you are right pasty, they are too wet, they are definitely water logged. as I was looking up BRF pinning problems I came across RRs comments about how waterlogged cakes can delay pinning. I thought I was waiting long enough to mist again, but I guess not.  I am definitely going to give the misting a rest for a day maybe two depending on how dry they get.

then I will mist  maybe 2 times a day depending on how much the water evaps.

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21800505 - 06/13/15 02:08 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just wondring how long you used to wait before misting your cakes ?
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    #21801400 - 06/13/15 09:46 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

im assuming you are talking to me,

I waited 4 hours after rolling and placing them in the FC before the first initial misting and fanning.  RR says in the video to mist repeatedly after 30 minutes when first placed in the chamber but ive had multiple people tell me to wait a little while like 4-6 hours and then mist for the first time.  The logic behind that was that they were just dunked for a long time, so they need to dry out a little bit before getting more water.  Since further research, the 24hr dunk session replenishes water, but apparently not that much, so that's why they need more at first.  Next round of cakes I have, which are already started and some are really growing fast, I will follow the fruiting part of the video to the T

then for the first couple days I misted about 4-5 times, which was way too much.

then for the past 4 or 5 days ive been misting 3 times a day, and even that is too much, I guess im just watering too much each time, ill have to use less water.

Also, has anyone downloaded the video Lets Grow Mushrooms to their PC?  Im just wondering if you get the full-length video from downloading it, because its only $8 and the DVD set is $45, im thinking some of the video is left out, am I wrong?

IF you do get the full length of it I am definitely going to download it, loads of good info that seem to be up-to-date.


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    #21802128 - 06/13/15 11:13 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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im assuming you are talking to me,

I waited 4 hours after rolling and placing them in the FC before the first initial misting and fanning.  RR says in the video to mist repeatedly after 30 minutes when first placed in the chamber but ive had multiple people tell me to wait a little while like 4-6 hours and then mist for the first time.  The logic behind that was that they were just dunked for a long time, so they need to dry out a little bit before getting more water.  Since further research, the 24hr dunk session replenishes water, but apparently not that much, so that's why they need more at first.  Next round of cakes I have, which are already started and some are really growing fast, I will follow the fruiting part of the video to the T

then for the first couple days I misted about 4-5 times, which was way too much.

then for the past 4 or 5 days ive been misting 3 times a day, and even that is too much, I guess im just watering too much each time, ill have to use less water.

Also, has anyone downloaded the video Lets Grow Mushrooms to their PC?  Im just wondering if you get the full-length video from downloading it, because its only $8 and the DVD set is $45, im thinking some of the video is left out, am I wrong?

IF you do get the full length of it I am definitely going to download it, loads of good info that seem to be up-to-date.




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    #21802933 - 06/13/15 04:04 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

cool, I will definitely be downloading that today, to say those videos are useful is an understatement(for me).

Here are some pics from earlier today,  I think I may have some contams, I cannot see any green or any other colors, but I know trich isn't green in the beginning, its white. The first two are of the same cake, and it has little things coming off it, only on this side at this point, two of the other cakes have them but not a lot. 

Also ones I think may have a contam, this one look towards the top edge of the cake

The rest are through the SGFE, didn't wanna take the lid off again, wanted to let the humidity build up again:

The growth pattern on these cakes is just so...bizarre to me. Sorry for so many pics, just wanted to be able to give a good overall view of the cakes so you all can formulate an idea of whats going on.

I haven't watered all day and will not until tomorrow in the morning, and only will water 2 times, making sure the last watering session has dried out, since I added the perlite, the cakes take a long time to get rid of the water, but I thought I was supposed to keep them glistening wet on the top, guess I was doing it too much, anyways, let me know what yall think.

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    #21803185 - 06/13/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Keep them damp. Glistening is usually seen with a bright light. It's tomentose growth and it's still good. It'll still find places to pop those pins out :smile:. They look well hydrated right now. Maybe even a tich dry. You should probably think about a light misting before you go to bed tonight.


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    #21803212 - 06/13/15 05:44 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I gotcha man, thanks for the info.

you don't see any contams?

and also, what do you think about the first two pics? what do those things look like, towards the left side of the cake. they are raised, they look really weird.


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    #21803924 - 06/13/15 09:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I gave em a light mist, I always tend to overwater, even though I haven't watered them all day, they still aren't that dry, like I said they were waterlogged.

what think I should do, like the other dude said and half water for the next few days?


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    #21803935 - 06/13/15 09:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You shouldn't really need to mist heavily. Just do a light mist from now on. My motto is its better to mist too little and need to mist 3 hours later over misting too much and waiting 2 days, as you've found out :P

Just mist when they're dry looking and not moist. Keep them moist not wet :smile:


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    #21803963 - 06/13/15 09:40 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

apparently my half-misting is everyone elses overmisting lol

I gotcha, im gonna take a picture after I mist em when I think they are sufficiently misted and see what you everyone thinks so they can tell me if its over/underwatered.

Edit: here are the pics as of this morning, I was thinking of giving a light mist again today, but I picked one up and they are still heavy, feel logged to me. let me know what yall think


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    #21809835 - 06/15/15 09:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

6/15/2015
ok here it is this morning, this is before misting


This is after, my opinion is that I could of misted a little bit more because they are almost completely dry from the last one and its only been 2 hours, I figured id rather under mist than over mist. what you guy think?

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    #21809887 - 06/15/15 09:29 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think it looks perfectly hydrated and you should keep them like that. It sounds perfect what you're doing now.

Also I'm shocked you're not going nuts. Look at your 2nd last photo closely

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You have your first pin. Very exciting time man

In the next couple days you'll see lots of pins because I can see at least 2 in the 4th pic and 2-3 coming up in the 3rd pic

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    #21810005 - 06/15/15 10:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

OH. MAI. GAWD. 6/15/2015--first pins, ever

just looked at them, I see a couple pins on each cakes, and was wondering why so few, but like you said there will be more tomorrow so that's good.

Also, when the majority of the mushies are ready to harvest, should I harvest all of them? even if there is fresh pins or ones not that mature yet?

If yes, then I re-dunk the cake for 8-12 hours right? but then DO NOT roll again.


If no, then do I let them grow out before re-dunking the cake again?

Can you dunk a cake if there are pins on it?


to end, im going to must 1 more time today, as I said before they were pretty water logged and I think they have all the extra water they need. I will post a couple more pics later today when I mist again to again see what yall think, after that if I mist correctly and get that confirmed, I think ill be able to stop posting pics every 5 seconds and start becoming more independent(not too independent though!)

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    #21810051 - 06/15/15 10:15 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I harvest as they go, each mushroom that's ready and leave pins to keep growing. You'll probably be picking mushrooms every day. I usually dunk when all of them are harvested. Sometimes 2nd flush is coming up right when you pick your last mushroom and you can still dunk for 8-12 (no roll). Won't kill pins.

As for why there's so few.. it always starts with 1 or 2 man :P

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    #21810107 - 06/15/15 10:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

and how do you harvest them, ive always just pulled them out when out in the wild, but I don't wanna damage the cake too bad.  Ive seen people saying to twist and pull, others cut theirs with scissors, whats your take?

thank you man, I was really skeptical and thinking I fucked everything up, but its nice to see some reward for the work ive been doing.

Im getting ahead of myself, but after my next round of cakes(mexi-cub, had golden teachers going but they got full of water when I steamed them I forgot tin foil over the jars!!DOH!) im going to start and try a monotub or maybe agar and use that to innoc the WBS jars(that's how it works right? colonize on petri dish and then cut sections till you get  dish 0 contams and then cut sections and innoc?)

Im just nervous about misting and hope I keep getting it right. I wouldn't have been able to get this far without the help of shroomerites alike!

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    #21812003 - 06/15/15 07:14 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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and how do you harvest them, ive always just pulled them out when out in the wild, but I don't wanna damage the cake too bad.  Ive seen people saying to twist and pull, others cut theirs with scissors, whats your take?

thank you man, I was really skeptical and thinking I fucked everything up, but its nice to see some reward for the work ive been doing.

Im getting ahead of myself, but after my next round of cakes(mexi-cub, had golden teachers going but they got full of water when I steamed them I forgot tin foil over the jars!!DOH!) im going to start and try a monotub or maybe agar and use that to innoc the WBS jars(that's how it works right? colonize on petri dish and then cut sections till you get  dish 0 contams and then cut sections and innoc?)

Im just nervous about misting and hope I keep getting it right. I wouldn't have been able to get this far without the help of shroomerites alike!

Based on the pics post-mist, how long do you think I should wait to mist again, I was thinking about 5pm





ok, well I misted these at about 5pm today and its 9 and they are still damp, I can see the verm on top is still damp even though most of the water beads on the tops are gone, so I think I will give a very very ligt mist around 1am before I go to bed and then nothing till tomorrow morning at around 8



these are the last pics im posting for at least a day, as I want to see if I can do it right for a day by myself(you can laugh its alright I wont cry :ashamed: ), so, like before, let me know what you think if these are hydrated enough and ill take it from there.

I know you aren't supposed to let them get dry every time but for right now, I think it would help with all the extra water still in the cakes, maybe for a day or two.  After tomorrow probably I will try to keep them moist, not wet(BIG difference as I have found out!)
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    #21813224 - 06/16/15 01:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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these are the last pics im posting for at least a day, as I want to see if I can do it right for a day by myself(you can laugh its alright I wont cry :ashamed:



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    #21814108 - 06/16/15 10:42 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

was told to post these, but these are the only pics im gona post today and tomorrow as well till the fruits grow a little more, missing 1 more pic and will add in a few minutes. the middle pic is one of the biggest cluster of fruits on any of the cakes, theres like 6 in that one. Also, I thought there would be more pins by now but only a few are popping up, hopefully the misting im doing isn't causing them to stop pinning, that might sound stupid/over worried though.

what yall think, too wet?

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    #21814850 - 06/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everything looks good from were I sit :thumbup: keep doing what your doing... The biggest thing is to remember what you are doing and how the mycellium responds. Then you will get the feel of whats right and whats not. There is no set amount of misting , whatever seems to be working stay with it. This will change as different times of the year get drier of more humid. Also, what kind of chamber or set up you choose to use. Mono ect.


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    #21815001 - 06/16/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think you might have a white thumb!

In 3 days you're going to be like... WOA!!!  Where the heck did all this come from???    So, if you don't have plans Friday or Saturday, order a pizza and add some toppings?    :psychsplit:


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    #21815064 - 06/16/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

cool, im getting a little less worried and im trying to regulate the misting, though, im now checking intensely to see if there is any left over water from the last misting

im a bit confused on if I should wait for it to get dry or keep it moist, as last time(when all the bad shit started happening)I tried to get it moist I was OVERmisting them and they were being kept wet, not moist.

So, im letting them dry out a little extra each misting just to be sure, but ill be fine...

thanks for the support guys SHROOMERITES ARE THE SHIT :thumbup: :headbang2:

I will be posting more pics of PINS as they appear, fingers crossed that I get a BUNCH more!

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    #21815413 - 06/16/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe just adopt the standard of a light mist, followed by fanning, 4 times a day.  Don't worry - you've done everything right.  There's not much you can do at this point to mess up.

Make sure to have a small fan (for 24 hrs) and then a medium sized bowl with a screen and some damprid ready!!  I'm gonna guess...  30g dried.


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    #21815560 - 06/16/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

holy crap, if I got 30g dried id be a happy camper! I know that's considered a small yield, but its ok for my first grow, it can only go up from here.
I actually said fuck it and bought a dehydrator, now just gotta learn how to use it!

My next investment is going to be a Pressure cooker, still looking at different models though.

Think I might go with the 16qt presto, its like 70 bucks.  Anyone know how many quart jars the 16qt presto would fit?(BTW after my next round of cakes im switching to bulk/monotubs and using grains, so look out for my log on that ill need all the help I can get lol. not to mention, that should be a fun learning curve!)

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    #21818639 - 06/17/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some of the cakes are starting to turn blue, is that an indication of dryness/not enough water?


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    #21818740 - 06/17/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Blue cakes can result from a SGFC losing (all) humidity (too low humidity often)

It can also happen from bruising as you pick up cakes

Be sure to check your humidity is right, the cakes can die if it isn't

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    #21818768 - 06/17/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I got ragged on quite a bit when I was trying to help, but have you gone to wally world and grabbed a 7 dollar humidity meter yet? 

If not, WHY???  This is so important.   

I said I didn't think it was humid enough in there, and said to cover some holes...    You've got everything so perfect, why don't you know your humidity yet????   

Mushrooms appear after rain because of high (90+%) humidity.  Which is where you need it to be for good pinning.  After they have sprung up, the humidity can be lowered quite a bit.  It has been found, very recently, that high humidity to start, and then differing humidities (BUT NEVER UNDER 60) can produce larger fruits.  But perhaps that's just a crummy SGFC.    Your FC is awesome but you don't know what humidity it's keeping!!!!

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Re: blue bruising [Re: lessismore]
    #21818796 - 06/17/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It can also be caused from misting too aggressively. Pics of the bruising will help. Also you said in pm you have bruising on the pins, which leads me to believe you are misting too aggressively. It needs to be a gentle fine mist.

Also they don't look like they're anywhere near picking time, so it's definitely not from picking.

Mister meow, I'm still saying that. I highly doubt humidity is the problem. Also rain isn't humidity. Water molecule count in the air is humidity. Rain actually provides moisture (surface/ground humidity), which is replaced with misting. Humidifiers will never replace good old fashioned misting (rain). Florida can be 90% humid and dry. It needs the rain to make it have a higher moisture level.

Just keep an eye on them mushrooms. You don't need humidifiers or hygrometers. The mushrooms tell you what they want, fae or misting.


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    #21818844 - 06/17/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm using the scientific method to eliminate variables.

Under 10 bucks to know humidity, with all of the work that has been put in seems like a very small sacrifice.


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    #21818873 - 06/17/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Under 10 bucks to know humidity? I highly doubt it. You won't get accurate readings unless it's a high quality one calibrated in a wet paper towel. It also has to be recalibraed minimum once a week. Realistically a shotgun can go down to 50% humidity as well as go up to 95, depending on the rooms air currents. We want that. Higher evaporation rates will trigger pinning. 99% humidity is counter productive because there is no evaporation. Lower humidity is actually better for evaporation. You just replace what's evaporated with a spray bottle.


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    #21818925 - 06/17/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I somehow doubt that you can find a TC or veteran cultivator that uses such things. Learn what the fruits actually need not what some device thinks they need. It takes a little trial and error but its far better in the long run.


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    #21818939 - 06/17/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For 7 dollars, I bought a humidity meter that accurately reads.  I have "smart" versions which I check it to.  7 bucks at walmart.

Moving on.

OP - you know you have a problem if the cakes are blu'ing. 

So... 2 easy things - we'll say one is optional...

- stick to the recommended decent misting, 4 times a day, followed by a light fanning.

- buy a humidity gauge.  You've got pins, so you're in the right humidity zone, I would just personal want to know if you're 40-50%, 70-80%, or 90-100%.  With proper airflow, I feel that 65-90% is great.  A humidity gauge will show you this.  Also, this is just a guide - you and you alone will figure out dialing it in.

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http://www.walmart.com/ip/AcuRite-8-Thermometer-with-Humidity/16888915

http://www.walmart.com/ip/AcuRite-Digital-Humidity-and-Temperature-Monitor/16888914

One final note - what kind of spray bottle is in use?  We're not talking formula 409 rough spray right?  It needs to be the most fine mist you can think of...    There's a little bottle from an old oyster mushroom grow kit that works great.


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    #21818957 - 06/17/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So he's in the right ballpark why does he need a hygrometer? Also :facepalm: I can't believe accurate and 7 dollar gauge from Walmart was in the same sentence. I'd go with option 1. Just like what pasty said.

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    #21818995 - 06/17/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The recommended amount of misting is whatever works. No two SGFC will work the same given a persons environment or even how coarse of perlite they have. Someone in Florida may not need to mist more than a few times a week, while I need to mist 4-5 times a day. For many misting is even optional and there's many a post where people left it for several days while away and things were fine.

We do not all live in the same house. SGFCs performance will depend on home conditions. No two schedules will be the same.

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    #21819115 - 06/17/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The recommended amount of misting is whatever works. No two SGFC will work the same given a persons environment or even how coarse of perlite they have. Someone in Florida may not need to mist more than a few times a week, while I need to mist 4-5 times a day. For many misting is even optional and there's many a post where people left it for several days while away and things were fine.

We do not all live in the same house. SGFCs performance will depend on home conditions. No two schedules will be the same.

We need pics to say anything more.




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    #21819195 - 06/17/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So you're saying if it was 90% consistently on your gauge, you wouldn't mist? Because that's what relying on a gauge does instead of looking at the moisture content of the cakes.

There's been too many times to count where someone posted here noticing something was up but their hygrometer said it was 95%+. Turns out they haven't misted in 3 days. I told you that it can be 90% humid and still be dry. It takes an eye to look at them and tell it's dry or not. To me a hygrometer would be useless numbers in my chamber. Might be fun to know what humidity is but it isn't what dictates if they have moisture. A simple look and a mist dictates it.

It may work for you but it isn't really necessary to a good growers eyes. Like I said just useless numbers.


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    #21819256 - 06/17/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok, I have read replies, and I think it may be from my method of misting, I start pretty far away, and as they get wet, I go a bit closer with the spray too get the spots that haven't gotten wet enough, and the bluing only seems to be on/near the top.

I haven't picked up the cakes since I put more perlite back in and that was several days ago so I think I can eliminate it, that is, unless it takes several days to appear

I am currently waiting for the pictures to load but I took 5, you can see the bruising, but it is very suttle in most places and kind of hard to see(I really pay attention to any changes in these cakes, if that isn't apparent by now) :grin:

all that being said, I was planning on misting these again before I left the house again, I misted them at 9, a moderate mist, but they look a little on the dry side, so I thought id give them a light mist.  Let me know what you think.

Yes, I acquired a hygrometer from a friend(smokes cigars), it was a pretty nice one, made in France so I guess you can trust the accuracy a little bit better(CHINA SUCKS). and I got a reading of 98% after calibrating it and waiting 10 minutes for it to go back down to room rH, then sticking it in the chamber for 25 minutes.  It seems to go down to about 90/91 after a couple hours or so being in the chamber, idk if that info helps but I haven't used it since(the levels seemed fine)

Bluing isn't bad now but I would like to catch it before it gets worse.

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the 4th pic you can see on the left side, the fifth as well, but towards the bottom and a little in the shade part on the top right.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21819318 - 06/17/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

After reading that, IMHO you're doing one thing wrong.

Over watering.  Try giving them a "dew morning mist" twice a day.  A very fine mist is needed.    A fine mist from maybe 1 foot above the FC.  Literally, think of the finest rain you've ever seen, and try to go finer.

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    #21819589 - 06/17/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Don't worry about humidity.  If you built your SGFC to spec you will be fine.  And do not cover any of the holes up.  The sgfc needs the holes to work properly.



:whathesaid: covering holes in the chamber can actually lower the RH. Humidity is most important at the sub surface.  The roll in verm provides that. Fresh air is super important.  Don't tape up holes.




I already said it once but it seems it needs repeating.  High RH is only needed for a microclimate at the subs surface. Some of the best grows I ever saw were done in open air, no Fruiting chamber at all. Also while I agree that things look a little wet, an uber fine mist is not needed. These things get rained on in nature. I use a cheap mister from the dollar store myself.

Finally thats not really bruising. I have had myc on grains bruise worse than that in the jar. If those were my cakes I would just go smoke a fat joint and feel good about em.


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    #21819665 - 06/17/15 04:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Gotcha. I will give em a light mist tomorrow, unfortunately I gave them a moderate mist and this pic was about 20 minutes after. You are saying that is too wet?


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    #21819846 - 06/17/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

don't know if it's too wet, but based on your watering habits... yes.


Try going light, 2 times a day.  If you sacrifice a little humidity for more FAE (in re: to what was said about open air growing) you will produce excellent fruits.

You're all set up - just knock em down!

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    #21820773 - 06/17/15 08:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the only reason I started misting kinda heavier today is because I saw what I thought was bruising from being dry, and the cakes drying out fast.  I know I misted too heavy because they are still wet, and its 5 hours later.

I just have to take a deep breath, and relax, and let the cakes do their thing.

also, anyone know what kind of grains RR uses in his grain spawn in his grain prep videos?


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    #21821081 - 06/17/15 09:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

RR uses rye. A very forgiving grain, nearly as easy to prep as oats.


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    #21821142 - 06/17/15 10:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

thanks. im going to try monotubs next for sure, set and forget sounds like me, the cakes are difficult for me because I cannot seem to get the watering right.

ill post updates tomorrow on the condition of the cakes, if they get bluer, or whatever happens.
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    #21824307 - 06/18/15 04:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

the rye he used is ryegrass seed right? or am I confusing myself again? im trying to buy some but I cannot seem to find it at the regular stores and am going to find a feed store, I got the coir, cant seem to find the gypsum though, any suggestions on where to find that?

also I was going to water these cakes, since i misted once today its about time for my second, but i think these look a little moist still, what do you think? should i give em the 2nd mist in a little while, or later tonight at midnight, or wait till tomorrow(you can see the blueing getting more apparent on a couple of the cakes...)


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    #21824411 - 06/18/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Rye grass seed and rye berries are different.  The first video he is using berrys.  I think he goes on to explain how to do grass later.  I found rye hard to find, and just did wbs.  Haven't tried oats yet, but I think I will soon.


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    #21825465 - 06/18/15 08:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what kind of WBS should I look for, also, what additives are bad for using it as spawn, so far ive seen people say cracked corn is a no-no.

im going to go with rye berries, off amazon.  just wondering how much I should get, from what I read it takes 6-7 jars of spawn per monotub? that sound right?  sounds like a little much, they might be talking about the pint jars not sure though.

these berries ok? they say they have the hull removed. http://www.amazon.com/Rye-Berries-25-Lb-Bag/dp/B000RHVIQG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1434681888&sr=8-3&keywords=rye+berries


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    #21825900 - 06/18/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Hi, so a while ago I decided I was going for it and have been decently satisfied with the progress so far, but there are a few concerns. Somewhere around the beginning of June, I sterilized 12 1/2pints with a pressure cooker and left them in there to stay sterile while I waited for a more sterile day to inoculate, I ended up waiting about 4 more days (a lot of trees in my yard were spawning).

So finally, I got around to inoculating (PC B+) and these jars have been doing their thing ever since. The needle was actually clogged right after the first hole was inoculated and I didn't realize until the last jar.. I felt so dumb when I found out. I see now that spores were only able to make it into a few holes. They seem to be really healthy and clean, but I feel that they're growing rather slow. The temp is lower than normal, 70-72F, but I'm under the impression that it doesn't have to be as warm as it's usually recommended; the jars seem pretty wet, but aren't puddling; and also, the first two jars seem very stringy, while the third is very solid.

Just wanted to share and see what some other people had to say!I feel like I had a lot I wanted to share and ended up forgetting a lot of the detail when I actually wrote, I'll edit if I think of more info to add!
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    #21826013 - 06/18/15 10:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

all I can say, is that spores are small, so a clog wouldn't really matter I guess if liquid was still getting through.  As long as it wasn't completely clogged I wouldn't worry.

there are a lot of factors that can effect growth, one of them, being temp, I would try and put them in a place at leave 4 - 7 degrees warmer.

also, I had a couple jars that were pretty slow in my first batch(2 to be exact, 1 in my new batch) and that can be caused by multiple factors.  I think the main one in the strain. another can be the moisture content of the jar, some could have leaked in, you never know.

just looked at your pics, they look fine you have nothing to worry about, like I said, sometimes, the myc just colonize slow, i would assume the main factor slowing them up would be the temp, that's just me though.  they look good man, just don't handle them often, as i was told it can lead to contams dislodging from the dry verm barrier and making their way down, don't know how true it is though, but its best not to mess with them.(i used to do it every day lol). they don't,look to be contaminated from those pics so i think youll be fine, it takes time.

I would start your own thread and see what other people say, maybe try starting a grow log, definitely will get more exposure and good info. people on here are here to help others, they were newbies once as well. make it in this forum, the "mushroom cultivation" just be sure not to mention your spore syringe source.

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    #21826124 - 06/18/15 11:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Yea, I feel like they would have made it through but it seems like it's not the case. I've read a bunch but execution is always different! Thank you tons for such a thorough response, man. I'll definitely make my own thread in the morning. I didn't realize I was posting in yours lol also, I definitely won't mention my source, I was 90% sure that it's inappropriate to, but thanks for the confirmation


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    #21826155 - 06/18/15 11:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

btw, i read that placing them ontop of a computer can raise the temp to the desired level depending how cold it is, it might be old info i would double check but that's an option.

No problem, if nobody answered my questions id be fucked, just look at the rest of the thread lol.

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    #21826163 - 06/18/15 11:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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what kind of WBS should I look for, also, what additives are bad for using it as spawn, so far ive seen people say cracked corn is a no-no.

im going to go with rye berries, off amazon.  just wondering how much I should get, from what I read it takes 6-7 jars of spawn per monotub? that sound right?  sounds like a little much, they might be talking about the pint jars not sure though.

these berries ok? they say they have the hull removed. http://www.amazon.com/Rye-Berries-25-Lb-Bag/dp/B000RHVIQG/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1434681888&sr=8-3&keywords=rye+berries




I use wbs with corn in it, no problems so far.  Guys say to avoid sunflower seeds, corn and peanuts.  The only one I ever had problems with was the peanuts, and that was only because it made everything sticky.  Just buy what's cheap and pc it good, you'll be fine.


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    #21826173 - 06/18/15 11:36 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

gotcha.  Ill probably go with rye if i can get it shipped for a decent price, if not ive found WBS literally EVERYWHERE.

Im also checking out agar recipies because im going to try and dive into that for the first time, should be fun!

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    #21826240 - 06/19/15 12:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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gotcha.  Ill probably go with rye if i can get it shipped for a decent price, if not ive found WBS literally EVERYWHERE.

Im also checking out agar recipies because im going to try and dive into that for the first time, should be fun!

if you can man, check back tomorrow for an update on the cakes, i need all the help i can get. thanks




I love agar man.  I've gone so overboard with it, but it makes life so much easier.  I have a link for all kinds of different agar recipes, I'll post it here for you.  I like PDA for most things, cheap and easy.

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    #21827545 - 06/19/15 10:22 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

thanks bro, that's actually the one I was going to try and do, least amount of ingredients.  anhy recommendations of the type of LME? or brand? Also, the recipie im following only uses 9g of agar, so I don't think thatll be enough for 10 plates.  I was going to scale it up but the water for the current ratio is 500g for 9g powder, im thinking itll be way too much water when I scale up, so what ratios do you use and for how many dishes?

Day 4 since pins first appeared:

Back to my bab-I mean mushies!
As far as cakes go, the bluing is getting more pronounced, as you can see on a couple pictures, only on the tops of the cakes and a little down on the sides, but it is mainly isolated on the tops.

As usual, please let me know if they look wet/dry to you,(important to me, please tell) but the main reason im posting these is to show the increase in growth, as well as the NEW PINSS, which are popping up EVERY. FREAKING. WHERE. let me know what you guys think! thanks.
The pins/baby mushies seem to be doubling in size every day, and more are popping up like I said.




So, if some mushies reach maturity before the rest I harvest those mushrooms and leave the rest until their maturity is reached.  after the majority are harvested, I re-dunk the cakes for 12-18 hours(what do you guys recommend?) and then stick them straight back in the SGFC, skipping the roll in verm as it ill just most likely cause contams.  Sound correct? anything im missing regarding the next flush?


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21830325 - 06/19/15 10:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

hey, I got a question, if the mushies keep growing and hit the lid of the chamber, what should I do?  The only thing I could think of would be to remove some perlite but that would sacrifice rH.  Ideas?


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21830794 - 06/20/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Harvest shortly after the veil has torn.  You can let them flatten out, however, aesthetically, I prefer them looking a bit like a dick, and compressed, than fragile and flat.  Lots of opinions here.

Pick when you can.  You've done everything right.  Just play it by ear.  You might be very able to gently separate the stems from substrate without damage.  Your myc has grown so outrageously strong that after a dunk, I can't see how it *couldn't* recover.

Get a low powered fan from wally world...  dry fruits for 24 hrs under direct airflow of that, then transfer to airtight bowl with damprid.  A stainless steel screen is what you want.

You're going to have great results - you just needed to dial it in.  I hope I helped along the way.

After you feel you have taken most of the "first" fruits off a cake, dunk it for 12 hrs.  Submerge fully.  Then just rinse and repeat.  You'll get 3 flushes, then go bury the cake somewhere it might live! :smile:

When you dunk, don't worry about small "duds."  They could turn into monsters when you put them back in the FC.

Enjoy, excellent work, and don't be afraid to leave the lid off an hour or so when they are getting large - they will get even larger.  Experiment.  I bet you could write a book now huh?  :smile:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
    #21830854 - 06/20/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

and just pick em if they reach the top...  unless they require early harvest... in which case you might need to dig a little trench for the cakes, or ideally, get a new FC.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
    #21831479 - 06/20/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

if Its difficult to separate from the cake should I just cut with scissors?

also, I think ill try digging  little bit down and moving the cakes down, so they can grow bigger if need be. im using the 66qt sterilite from Wal-Mart, which now I realize is too big for 6 cakes, I have another SGFC I made which is smaller, but oh well. 

you did help, everyone who contributed at some point helped and I really do appreciate it!

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    #21831578 - 06/20/15 08:00 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If they hit the lid it's fine. They'll start being around and leaning as they get bigger. Don't mess with the perlite. If you pack it down and cover the bottom holes, you'll have way more problems.

Twist and pull, or use scissors. It doesn't matter too much. Whatever you prefer. I generally do a mix of both.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21834394 - 06/20/15 10:29 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think you'll find it's ridiculously easy to gently twist/rip them off.

That 'little' dude was the cream of the crop.  Supposedly a colorado strain - looks exactly like B+ to me.  And, it had started ripping itself off the substrate...  It was propped against the side until veil ripped, and then plucked. 

It's kinda depressing how small they will end up being though.  But a little goes a loooong way.  :cool:

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
    #21834464 - 06/20/15 10:45 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you are right about them kinda being depressing how small they are, that's why ive been looking into monotubs.  Like I said I hope I get enough for 1 trip and itll be a success in my book. Now knowing what I know, bulk is the only way to get any REAL harvests, and that's what I plan on doing next!

by the way, still having problems with them bruising, any idea what could be causing that?(I still mist twice a day, and it seems to be fine, I might give them a tiny tiny tiny spray if they are looking dry between mists, but ONLY once a day.)
The first pic captures it the best, but it looks like that on the rest of them, and its getting more apparent every day. :sad: :crying:


I would relly like to get some more flushes out of these, as there are a shitload of pins coming out now, and I feel like I could get at least one more flush, with 2 pushing it. ideas?

also, some of the veils of the mushies are like half off, but they seem to have grown that way, they don't look like they peeled back yet, kinda weird to me, has anyone else seen this?(ill add pics tomorrow)


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    #21834573 - 06/20/15 11:16 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Bruised from being dry. You have to somehow get the sides more wet when misting while maintaining the top the same you have been.


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    #21834622 - 06/20/15 11:27 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

disregard my last PM lol, I will try and figure it out.  I was thinking it was from being dry but I thought I was watering enough

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    #21834896 - 06/21/15 12:25 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

i've never seen myc like that before...  It's aerial and very dense.  Very pretty.  After a few flushes, throw it outside in some manure in the shade and throw a tarp over it...  You never know what you'll find after a good rainy 3 or 4 days 

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    #21835652 - 06/21/15 06:55 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yea, like 85% of the bottom holes were blocked, im thinking that's why. great FAE now no fuzzy stems here!

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    #21835947 - 06/21/15 09:20 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

well, I got 74 grams wet from 2 cakes, still have 3 left but the fruits wont be ready till tomorrow.

Have a crapload of pins on all of the ones so far so ill have another 40 grams probably before I re dunk and start the 2nd flush

my question is how long do I dry in the dehydrator to get em cracker dry?  using a presto dehydrator which dries at 165F.


Thanks for all the help guys, im loading pics so ill post some soon. The fruits are small, all less than 6 inches id estimate although a few are about that long.  Again thanks guys, wouldn't have been possible without you the community at shroomery, thanks guys, ill keep you updated.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21837212 - 06/21/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

grats!  No idea how a dehydrator works...  I imagine you'd want to follow the instructions for drying something like fruit?


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    #21841036 - 06/22/15 09:28 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I dried 75 grams wet yesterday, cracker dry is about 45 minutes. Maybe I'm misunderstanding what that means but they snapped when bent, guessing they are good.  I would think that keeping hem in after that point would harm the potency. Thoughts?

Also most people said it would take 4-8 hours, sometimes overnight, I feel like the temp in mine is too high though.


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    #21841098 - 06/22/15 09:53 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You should be able to crush them into dust with your fingers. Simply being able to snap is not enough.


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    #21843689 - 06/22/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

you have a method on causing them not to crush when vacuum sealing?  mine just got the shit crushed out of them.

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    #21847983 - 06/23/15 09:47 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok guys, got a question for yall, when do you consider the first flush over?

the majority of the first pins are gone if not all, but more have grown(started before the first fruits were picked) and are almost done.  Should I A. pick them tomorrow and re-dunk the cakes for 12 hrs and start the second flush or B. keep them in the SGFC till they stop pinning?  The cakes are REALLY REALLY bruised and im thinking it might be time to re-dunk because the bruising is caused by dryness.

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    #21848006 - 06/23/15 09:51 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like 2nd flush is on. Dunk for 8-12 hours. No need to pick growing pins. They can take it.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21848077 - 06/23/15 10:07 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)



pics from first flush, you can see how bruised the cakes have become.

im going to pic the fruits that are already almost grown, but leave the brand new pins and the almost new pins, ill dunk tomorrow and post results!  also, how long should I wait to mist after the next dunk?


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    #21848086 - 06/23/15 10:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Looks like they did pretty good. A hint for next time is you can sit the cake in a saucer of water when the pins are in and growing and the cake will suck up the water and pump it into the fruits. Change the water every morning and watch the fruits get huge.


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    #21848097 - 06/23/15 10:11 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

great, thanks for the tip! about how much water do you recommend putting in the saucers?

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    #21848142 - 06/23/15 10:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Just around 10-15 ml or so. Change it every morning. Of course keep up the misting.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21848153 - 06/23/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I will definetley try that for my 2nd flush, thanks for all the help man I really do appreciate it!

time to make the step to mono's after my next round of cakes, which I will be making a log for as well, should get better yields with 6 cakes and a better strain. didn't want to try the mexi-cubes I had till I had a little more experience.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21849183 - 06/24/15 07:05 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

can I dunk these fruits/cakes, some are almost full grown im guessing, and some are a little smaller maybe halfway grown, what should I do?



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    #21849851 - 06/24/15 10:40 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

that is some extraordinarily blue myc...

You gotta let us know how potent those guys are... shoot - make a tea out of the myc!  lol...


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    #21849913 - 06/24/15 10:59 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha oh meow. I guess you could, since it is just cakes. I work with manure so imagining making tea out of it is pretty barf worthy haha.

I don't want to seem like I'm nitpicking, but for the future and for your own mushies too.. you shouldn't gauge potency on the bluing. Some of the most potent guys I've had would barely bruise, if at all. Some could bruise a lot and be really weak. Lots of different speculations. Personally this is my favorite.

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You can go ahead and dunk it. It won't hurt the pins. It shouldn't at least. If you are going to be really cautious, just mist it again and make sure the bottom holes agent plugged because it's dry. It should recover if it gets hydrated again :smile:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21849996 - 06/24/15 11:18 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

what do you mean by "If you are going to be really cautious, just mist it again and make sure the bottom holes agent plugged because it's dry. It should recover if it gets hydrated again :smile: "

you mean do that after I dunk?

also, I thik im going to pick the fruits that are ready off and then dunk the remaining, good idea?

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    #21850008 - 06/24/15 11:21 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Good idea. I was just saying that some paranoid people don't dunk when there's pins because they got aborts once. Personally I haven't had it be an issue and I don't even believe it's what caused the aborts.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21850021 - 06/24/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I might have a couple small aborts, probably fro being too dry, should I pick them before dunking or after?


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    #21850150 - 06/24/15 12:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Now would be a good time to sit those blue cakes in a saucer of water rather than risk aborting those fruits.


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    #21850411 - 06/24/15 01:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

should I do that in the FC or out?


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    #21864838 - 06/27/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok well, im on the 4th flush and only 2 of the cakes are performing, but some have this weird yellow tint to them, I think it may be bacteria, and I think its time to let these cakes go.  These plates worked well and didn't cause FAE problems, and now I think I have(what looks like) FAE problems and can tell by the fuzzy stems.  Didn't have this last flush, have it now. 

On the positive side some of the bruising went away, but the weird yellow color combined with the apparent FAE problem tells me these cakes are about done, what do you guys think?

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21864898 - 06/27/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Sounds like they're reaching their end. I've also noticed a lot more fuzzy feet on later flushes like you said. I think it's because it takes longer to mature. I've noticed after a certain point growth seems to stall and they get super fuckin fuzzy.


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    #21864959 - 06/27/15 04:21 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

yup yup, ill give these guys till the morning then go plant them outside.  im gonna birth my Mexi cub jars tomorrow 4/6 so im excited about that

for now, 4.2g of B+ down the hatch!


what do you think that yellowish color shit is?


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21864995 - 06/27/15 04:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Drying/dying mycelium. Mist it until it's glistening :smile:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
    #21865042 - 06/27/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

theres no way, I just took them out of a 24hr soak and mist... wtf. im starting to dislike these cakes lol


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    #21865051 - 06/27/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Haha oh but it is true :P seriously though, later flushes.. they just can't seem to get enough hydration. I almost douse them in water and it still seems to be not enough haha. Your cakes pumped out a lot so it's not surprising they're loving the hydration. Bulk is way more lenient with hydration due to the amount of water and size of substrate. I find bulk is way easier in fruiting. You'll love it way more.


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    #21865063 - 06/27/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

As the cakes age yellowing is common. Your cakes were already through the mill. I wouldn't expect a whole lot from them at this point Maybe a couple more flushes. Your first flush should be your best anyway.Its okay it takes time to get them down.


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    #21865068 - 06/27/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I just saw those harvest pics you posted, :aweyeah:
:dancer:

I bought my monotubs today, 66L each, im also ordering the rye  berries and gypsum as well, time to get this party started!

im thinking about going with the RTV lids with polyfill.. what lids do you use?


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    #21865074 - 06/27/15 05:02 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

like I said, im going to give them till morning to grow a lil bit more, the main reason is I don't want any contams to take advantage of the old cakes before I take my new ones out and start fruiting those.

hey pasty, imam ask you too what kind of lids do you use for grains/find is the best?  Like I said I think im going to use PP's tek the RTV silicone/polyfill, since I already have both.

also, how many flushes do you usually give cakes before taking them down?


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    #21865080 - 06/27/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I use SFD and CFDs for my lids and I don't use SHIPs for my grain jars. Professor pinheads tek is fine but not my preference. But to get your feet wet its fine.

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    #21865177 - 06/27/15 05:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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I just saw those harvest pics you posted, :aweyeah:
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If you're talking to me, then thanks man. I've never had this much in 2 days before haha. My dehydrator and drying rack can't take it all.

I bought my monotubs today, 66L each, im also ordering the rye  berries and gypsum as well, time to get this party started!
great grain choice! Gotta tell me how it works out for ya :smile: I wanna try rye one day.

im thinking about going with the RTV lids with polyfill.. what lids do you use?
I just quadruple layer mp tape before putting in the pc. It's been reusable too. Just needs a paper towel and foil to keep the lid dry during the cycle. I heard poly works great as well. I would like to upgrade to sfd and cfd soon though. Just don't like getting things mailed to me. As for the SHIP, I don't use one either, since I do everything in a sab and mostly do a2g. Good luck though :smile:





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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21865184 - 06/27/15 05:28 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

cellulose filters work fine? good I was researching those online and wondering if they would be interchangeable.

I cant seem to find a good supplier of SFD, the one I was going to order from ran out.  You think CFD would be a good replacement/work well for grain jars?

Im also getting Non-GMO organic rye berries and there are so many teks out there for preparation out there I was thinking about just following rr's tek, so far, his vids haven't steered me wrong at all.


Side Note: 4g of b+ seems like a good dose, give it another hour and well be able to tell for sure.


so, from what im gathering its a bad idea to use SHIP's in a SAB?  If so(say it aint so..), what is a good alternative?

btw, what the hell you gonna do with all that?! its enough to last ME for years lol


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21865204 - 06/27/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

If you're using a sab just crack the lid. SHIPs are a pain,  I only use them on LC lids.


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    #21865303 - 06/27/15 05:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

any good suggestions of CFD lid teks?


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    #21865312 - 06/27/15 06:00 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

You treat them the same as SFD.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21882384 - 07/01/15 10:44 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

WHat im thinking it to make 1 hole for GE covering it on top with a piece of SFD cut from the whole one(I purchased some).  The hole will be 1/4", and to inoculate I will just take the lid off a little bit and put a few drops inside, always going for less than 1mL but probably about .5mL, from what ive gathered it only takes a few drop to innoc the jars.

after about 20-30% inoculation I shake it and it should be finished soon after.  You only shake once right?

Anyways, here is a pic from the last flush(4th) of the cakes of this grow, had more pics but they got deleted for some reason. 


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