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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21814850 - 06/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Everything looks good from were I sit :thumbup: keep doing what your doing... The biggest thing is to remember what you are doing and how the mycellium responds. Then you will get the feel of whats right and whats not. There is no set amount of misting , whatever seems to be working stay with it. This will change as different times of the year get drier of more humid. Also, what kind of chamber or set up you choose to use. Mono ect.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420] * 1
    #21815001 - 06/16/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I think you might have a white thumb!

In 3 days you're going to be like... WOA!!!  Where the heck did all this come from???    So, if you don't have plans Friday or Saturday, order a pizza and add some toppings?    :psychsplit:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: mycomaniac1402]
    #21815064 - 06/16/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

cool, im getting a little less worried and im trying to regulate the misting, though, im now checking intensely to see if there is any left over water from the last misting

im a bit confused on if I should wait for it to get dry or keep it moist, as last time(when all the bad shit started happening)I tried to get it moist I was OVERmisting them and they were being kept wet, not moist.

So, im letting them dry out a little extra each misting just to be sure, but ill be fine...

thanks for the support guys SHROOMERITES ARE THE SHIT :thumbup: :headbang2:

I will be posting more pics of PINS as they appear, fingers crossed that I get a BUNCH more!

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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21815413 - 06/16/15 04:19 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Maybe just adopt the standard of a light mist, followed by fanning, 4 times a day.  Don't worry - you've done everything right.  There's not much you can do at this point to mess up.

Make sure to have a small fan (for 24 hrs) and then a medium sized bowl with a screen and some damprid ready!!  I'm gonna guess...  30g dried.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
    #21815560 - 06/16/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

holy crap, if I got 30g dried id be a happy camper! I know that's considered a small yield, but its ok for my first grow, it can only go up from here.
I actually said fuck it and bought a dehydrator, now just gotta learn how to use it!

My next investment is going to be a Pressure cooker, still looking at different models though.

Think I might go with the 16qt presto, its like 70 bucks.  Anyone know how many quart jars the 16qt presto would fit?(BTW after my next round of cakes im switching to bulk/monotubs and using grains, so look out for my log on that ill need all the help I can get lol. not to mention, that should be a fun learning curve!)

anyone else wanna start making  bet-I mean guesses on the yields? :grin:


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21818639 - 06/17/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Some of the cakes are starting to turn blue, is that an indication of dryness/not enough water?


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    #21818740 - 06/17/15 11:41 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Blue cakes can result from a SGFC losing (all) humidity (too low humidity often)

It can also happen from bruising as you pick up cakes

Be sure to check your humidity is right, the cakes can die if it isn't

A little blue bruising is normal after harvest... it's because of touching them, mycellium bruises easily when handled


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Re: blue bruising [Re: lessismore]
    #21818768 - 06/17/15 11:49 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I got ragged on quite a bit when I was trying to help, but have you gone to wally world and grabbed a 7 dollar humidity meter yet? 

If not, WHY???  This is so important.   

I said I didn't think it was humid enough in there, and said to cover some holes...    You've got everything so perfect, why don't you know your humidity yet????   

Mushrooms appear after rain because of high (90+%) humidity.  Which is where you need it to be for good pinning.  After they have sprung up, the humidity can be lowered quite a bit.  It has been found, very recently, that high humidity to start, and then differing humidities (BUT NEVER UNDER 60) can produce larger fruits.  But perhaps that's just a crummy SGFC.    Your FC is awesome but you don't know what humidity it's keeping!!!!

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Re: blue bruising [Re: lessismore]
    #21818796 - 06/17/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 7 months ago)

It can also be caused from misting too aggressively. Pics of the bruising will help. Also you said in pm you have bruising on the pins, which leads me to believe you are misting too aggressively. It needs to be a gentle fine mist.

Also they don't look like they're anywhere near picking time, so it's definitely not from picking.

Mister meow, I'm still saying that. I highly doubt humidity is the problem. Also rain isn't humidity. Water molecule count in the air is humidity. Rain actually provides moisture (surface/ground humidity), which is replaced with misting. Humidifiers will never replace good old fashioned misting (rain). Florida can be 90% humid and dry. It needs the rain to make it have a higher moisture level.

Just keep an eye on them mushrooms. You don't need humidifiers or hygrometers. The mushrooms tell you what they want, fae or misting.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: Mad Season]
    #21818844 - 06/17/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I'm using the scientific method to eliminate variables.

Under 10 bucks to know humidity, with all of the work that has been put in seems like a very small sacrifice.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: meowshroom]
    #21818873 - 06/17/15 12:15 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

Under 10 bucks to know humidity? I highly doubt it. You won't get accurate readings unless it's a high quality one calibrated in a wet paper towel. It also has to be recalibraed minimum once a week. Realistically a shotgun can go down to 50% humidity as well as go up to 95, depending on the rooms air currents. We want that. Higher evaporation rates will trigger pinning. 99% humidity is counter productive because there is no evaporation. Lower humidity is actually better for evaporation. You just replace what's evaporated with a spray bottle.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: Mad Season]
    #21818925 - 06/17/15 12:24 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

I somehow doubt that you can find a TC or veteran cultivator that uses such things. Learn what the fruits actually need not what some device thinks they need. It takes a little trial and error but its far better in the long run.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: Mad Season]
    #21818939 - 06/17/15 12:26 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

For 7 dollars, I bought a humidity meter that accurately reads.  I have "smart" versions which I check it to.  7 bucks at walmart.

Moving on.

OP - you know you have a problem if the cakes are blu'ing. 

So... 2 easy things - we'll say one is optional...

- stick to the recommended decent misting, 4 times a day, followed by a light fanning.

- buy a humidity gauge.  You've got pins, so you're in the right humidity zone, I would just personal want to know if you're 40-50%, 70-80%, or 90-100%.  With proper airflow, I feel that 65-90% is great.  A humidity gauge will show you this.  Also, this is just a guide - you and you alone will figure out dialing it in.

For your ease of use...

http://www.walmart.com/ip/AcuRite-8-Thermometer-with-Humidity/16888915

http://www.walmart.com/ip/AcuRite-Digital-Humidity-and-Temperature-Monitor/16888914

One final note - what kind of spray bottle is in use?  We're not talking formula 409 rough spray right?  It needs to be the most fine mist you can think of...    There's a little bottle from an old oyster mushroom grow kit that works great.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: meowshroom]
    #21818957 - 06/17/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So he's in the right ballpark why does he need a hygrometer? Also :facepalm: I can't believe accurate and 7 dollar gauge from Walmart was in the same sentence. I'd go with option 1. Just like what pasty said.

I do agree with the last part of seeing the spray bottle and also we need pics of the bruising.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: Mad Season]
    #21818995 - 06/17/15 12:41 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

The recommended amount of misting is whatever works. No two SGFC will work the same given a persons environment or even how coarse of perlite they have. Someone in Florida may not need to mist more than a few times a week, while I need to mist 4-5 times a day. For many misting is even optional and there's many a post where people left it for several days while away and things were fine.

We do not all live in the same house. SGFCs performance will depend on home conditions. No two schedules will be the same.

We need pics to say anything more.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: Pastywhyte]
    #21819115 - 06/17/15 01:32 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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The recommended amount of misting is whatever works. No two SGFC will work the same given a persons environment or even how coarse of perlite they have. Someone in Florida may not need to mist more than a few times a week, while I need to mist 4-5 times a day. For many misting is even optional and there's many a post where people left it for several days while away and things were fine.

We do not all live in the same house. SGFCs performance will depend on home conditions. No two schedules will be the same.

We need pics to say anything more.




^^^ This!!  I bought a humidity meter for this exact reason.


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Re: blue bruising [Re: meowshroom]
    #21819195 - 06/17/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

So you're saying if it was 90% consistently on your gauge, you wouldn't mist? Because that's what relying on a gauge does instead of looking at the moisture content of the cakes.

There's been too many times to count where someone posted here noticing something was up but their hygrometer said it was 95%+. Turns out they haven't misted in 3 days. I told you that it can be 90% humid and still be dry. It takes an eye to look at them and tell it's dry or not. To me a hygrometer would be useless numbers in my chamber. Might be fun to know what humidity is but it isn't what dictates if they have moisture. A simple look and a mist dictates it.

It may work for you but it isn't really necessary to a good growers eyes. Like I said just useless numbers.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21819256 - 06/17/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

ok, I have read replies, and I think it may be from my method of misting, I start pretty far away, and as they get wet, I go a bit closer with the spray too get the spots that haven't gotten wet enough, and the bluing only seems to be on/near the top.

I haven't picked up the cakes since I put more perlite back in and that was several days ago so I think I can eliminate it, that is, unless it takes several days to appear

I am currently waiting for the pictures to load but I took 5, you can see the bruising, but it is very suttle in most places and kind of hard to see(I really pay attention to any changes in these cakes, if that isn't apparent by now) :grin:

all that being said, I was planning on misting these again before I left the house again, I misted them at 9, a moderate mist, but they look a little on the dry side, so I thought id give them a light mist.  Let me know what you think.

Yes, I acquired a hygrometer from a friend(smokes cigars), it was a pretty nice one, made in France so I guess you can trust the accuracy a little bit better(CHINA SUCKS). and I got a reading of 98% after calibrating it and waiting 10 minutes for it to go back down to room rH, then sticking it in the chamber for 25 minutes.  It seems to go down to about 90/91 after a couple hours or so being in the chamber, idk if that info helps but I haven't used it since(the levels seemed fine)

Bluing isn't bad now but I would like to catch it before it gets worse.

PICS

the 4th pic you can see on the left side, the fifth as well, but towards the bottom and a little in the shade part on the top right.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: firstTIMER420]
    #21819318 - 06/17/15 02:39 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

After reading that, IMHO you're doing one thing wrong.

Over watering.  Try giving them a "dew morning mist" twice a day.  A very fine mist is needed.    A fine mist from maybe 1 foot above the FC.  Literally, think of the finest rain you've ever seen, and try to go finer.

I've never seen prettier myc...  Incredible.  It's just waiting to burst.


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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
    #21819589 - 06/17/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 7 months ago)

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Climbhigher said:
Don't worry about humidity.  If you built your SGFC to spec you will be fine.  And do not cover any of the holes up.  The sgfc needs the holes to work properly.



:whathesaid: covering holes in the chamber can actually lower the RH. Humidity is most important at the sub surface.  The roll in verm provides that. Fresh air is super important.  Don't tape up holes.




I already said it once but it seems it needs repeating.  High RH is only needed for a microclimate at the subs surface. Some of the best grows I ever saw were done in open air, no Fruiting chamber at all. Also while I agree that things look a little wet, an uber fine mist is not needed. These things get rained on in nature. I use a cheap mister from the dollar store myself.

Finally thats not really bruising. I have had myc on grains bruise worse than that in the jar. If those were my cakes I would just go smoke a fat joint and feel good about em.


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