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firstTIMER420
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
#21718166 - 05/24/15 04:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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thank you for the ratios...but im kinda confused on the paste part, in these vids http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21032261#21032261
when he is boiling and takes up some water in the homemade petri(ziplock cup thing), he keeps swirling it around and then putting it back. he does this for a while before finishing, why?
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firstTIMER420 said: Hey all, I have been researching methods of growing mushies and after a lot of staying in the shadows I have decided to give it a whack. I will be following the PF tek "lets grow mushrooms" video as my first reference and filled in the blanks with advice from many peoples opinions and experiences from what I have read. The purpose of posting this is so I can get feedback from anyone who wants to give it as I need all the help I can get. Any advice is appreciated, as I said it is my first time and if all goes well I think this could be a lifelong hobby, and its just fun anyways! Here it goes:
Day 1: I have put together the jars using brown rice flour, vermiculite, and water, I believe it was a 1:2:1 ratio respectively. I was careful not to pack it down, I only kinda took some away from the edges so I could wipe away with a fresh paper towel to get any moisture off the edges and top of jar. Then, I added a layer of dry verm, about 1/2", the end result was a mixture almost to the top of the jar. All this with clean hands.
-Wrapped the jars in tin foil as tight as I could and boiled the 6 jars(4 holes in each jar I think 5/62" or something like that, really small, barely fit the needle in.) for about 80-90 minutes. The pot ALMOST boiled dry once but I was quick to add water and the pot never stopped steaming. I elevated the jars with 2 layers of lids and a layer of tin foil in between, the jars were maybe an inch away from the water, was careful not to put too much water.
-after done steaming, took em out and let them cool off for about 4 hours, then took a shower. put on a fresh longsleeve shirt. Then I set up my SAB. I got a lighter, gloves, 70% iso alc, my 10CC syringe(B+) and a soapy water mixture, sprayed the box indirectly to get soapy water coated on the inside and flipped it over. I washed my hands, put on the gloves, taped my sleeves over the ends of my gloves, then used the alcohol to clean the gloves. Wiped down the jars INSIDE the SAB with the ALC and then let dry for about 3 minutes. I opened the syringe and attached the needle INSIDE the SAB.(I had the top part down, so I didn't use a lid, rather a towel slightly damp with the soap water, read this was a good method to use). Took the needle out of the SAB and flame sterilized it, then inoculated the first 3 jars..I FORGOT TO STERILIZE BETWEEN THE FIRST 3 BUT DID IT FOR THE LAST 3, so im crossing my fingers bigtime!
-Let everything sit for about 10 minutes then took the jars and placed them ontop of a dresser in my closet.
Im will let them sit for about 3 weeks, then after fully colonized, will wait another week, then birth and dunk and roll.
I am gonna post a pic of my Shotgun Terrarium as well as my SAB, let me know what yall think.
END of day 1. Thanks for reading.
DAY 5:
Well, here it is yall, day 5 of colonization/project, and if I do say so myself these are coming along great!(well, maybe average )
Here are the pics of the 5 that have taken so far, the 6th im not posting because nothing is happening,(I used what was left in the syringe, less than .25CC)


Those were the 2 best pics, bear in mind the only camera I have is an ipad 2.



The last 3 pics are kinda blurry but you CAN see the white spots where the myc growth is starting. almost all of them have growth where all 4 innoc holes are, so im taking that as a good sign, in about 5 days I will post some more to see if yall can see and contams I cant(hopefully none!)
let me know what yall think! -thanks
END of day 5
so here it is, DAY 8
here are the jars, im gonna put the first two that I think may be contaminated, as I can see what looks like water drops/condensation in them, its not bad, and not throughout the whole jar.


 
And here are the rest
     
Let me know what yall think, I guess you kinda cant really see what im talking about as far as condensation/water drops in the first 4 pics, which are 2 of one and 2 of another jar. but from your experience, does that mean a bacterial contam?
END OF DAY 8
Beginning of day 12:
Alright well here it is guys, feels like its been forever but I cant believe its only been 12 days. My questions for this post, as always, will be below the pics:  jar 2
  jar 3:

jar 4:
 
jar 5:
 
Well, there they are, I think they are looking pretty good from other pics I have seen of BRF jars around the 2 week mark.
My question is, how do I know when the jars are fully colonized, and it is time to start counting down the consolidation period(7 days)?
besides that, give me your opinion of how long till the jars ill be ready to consolidate and then the SGFC.
-Thanks
End of day 12
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by the way, there is A lot of condensation ins some of the jars, and most of them have water starting to gather/pool at the bottom of the jars. some are almost ready, but like 3 of them are still really ropey. is the pooling of the water in the bottom something to worry about?
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Ok, well the next step is done, and the cakes have been birthed! submerged them in water and now just waiting for the 24hr mark. All the cakes look beautiful and slid out easier than thought. After that, will place in the SGFC and then the EXCITING PART BEGINS!
I have heard/read differing opinions on how long to let the cakes sit I the SGFC the first day without misting and fanning them for the first time. From what ive gathered, im going to let them sit for about 4 hours, then mist and fan for the first time, I figure that will trigger pinning. Thoughts?
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Here are the pics of my terrarium, as well as one of the cakes. I added a little over 3" of perlite. Please let me know if you think the cakes look wet enough, and any other advice about the fruiting stage would be awesome
thanks!
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What is your sgfc sitting on? And how close is it to the walls on any of the sides?
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: LocN9ne]
#21772576 - 06/07/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Minimum of perlite should be 5 inches. You want the cake to be glistening wet. The closeup looks a little dry. Needs more misting and more perlite.
Raising it off that towel/carpet by at least 6 inches is ideal. Lots of people use milk crates
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Mad Season]
#21772667 - 06/07/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I do not think your environ is humid enough. Buy a 7 dollar humidity indicator. I think you're at 78% and not ideal. 90+ never fails.
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
#21775918 - 06/07/15 08:31 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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ok, I measured after switching the bottom out to regular half pint jars, and its 4 inches, I don't really have anything else to raise it.
I have about 4 1/2" of perlite in there, when I first put them in, it was at 3, but off instinct I decided to raise it. most things I read before said 3-5" so I decided to go higher, figured more humidity couldn't hurt.
also, do they sell humid indicators at wal mart or something? If not where at? also, its about 6 inches from the wall on all sides, except the closet which is pretty close on 1 side but I need it to support the light above it. can you over water the cakes? cuz I think that's what ive been doing today. I thought it looked a little dry yesterday. Ive been spraying the shit out of them to make sure they are soaked, about every 5-7 hours the water inside disappears and I need to re water, that ideal
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firstTIMER420 said: ok, I measured after switching the bottom out to regular half pint jars, and its 4 inches, I don't really have anything else to raise it.
I have about 4 1/2" of perlite in there, when I first put them in, it was at 3, but off instinct I decided to raise it. most things I read before said 3-5" so I decided to go higher, figured more humidity couldn't hurt.
also, do they sell humid indicators at wal mart or something? If not where at? also, its about 6 inches from the wall on all sides, except the closet which is pretty close on 1 side but I need it to support the light above it. can you over water the cakes? cuz I think that's what ive been doing today. I thought it looked a little dry yesterday. Ive been spraying the shit out of them to make sure they are soaked, about every 5-7 hours the water inside disappears and I need to re water, that ideal
also, if the humidity ends up being too low in the case, how would I go about increasing it?
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also, if the humidity ends up being too low in the case, how would I go about increasing it?
Cover half of the holes with scotch tape. Less airflow = greater humidity but lower FAE. Maybe cover all of the holes on top to start out with? You'll get it. But buy a humidity indicator first.
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: meowshroom]
#21776790 - 06/08/15 12:02 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Don't worry about humidity. If you built your SGFC to spec you will be fine. And do not cover any of the holes up. The sgfc needs the holes to work properly.
I'm really not sure what meowshoom is talking about but it's wrong.
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Climbhigher]
#21776796 - 06/08/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Climbhigher said: Don't worry about humidity. If you built your SGFC to spec you will be fine. And do not cover any of the holes up. The sgfc needs the holes to work properly.
covering holes in the chamber can actually lower the RH. Humidity is most important at the sub surface. The roll in verm provides that. Fresh air is super important. Don't tape up holes.
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21779159 - 06/08/15 02:58 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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thnks for the input. also, ive been looking at hydrometers, and the tobacco shop near me has hydrometers and also instruments that add humidity as well, they are cheaper than the hydrometer. I was wondering, if I don't have the desired hum. should I add one of those to reach it? thoughts?
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No. Things like that are a waste. Learn from your sub and fruits whats needed not what some gadget thinks is needed. Learn how to run a chamber instead of buying needless junk. The SGFC needs wet perlite or hydroton and the cakes need misting. That's it.
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21779486 - 06/08/15 04:12 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pftek works easier/less contams usually for newbies than grains like one said
As long as your syringe is good, which is 99,xx% likely if you use one of the sponsors you should be good
Bacteria is one thing you should look out for when you open the jars one day If it smells slightly sour/sweet , sniff it more closely
A good jar smells so good you want to smell it again A bacteria jar smells kinda weird, sweet, sticks to your nose - you feel bad after smelling it maybe
And a mold jar you dont want to sniff, dont open a mold jar
If you sniff a cake that smells really bad, it has mold inside it likely, toss it away from your grow quickly
But seems you have followed good sterile procedure and all steps look correct, incl your sgfc, lots of holes. I can't see any mistakes right away, you should probably get plenty of fruits
Avoid using an incubator, I will really recommend against them, they hurt grows often as they make bacteria more likely to grow faster iirc
Mycellium colonizes just fine on any shelf in light, no need for darkness either But keeping them in a drawer of some sort seems optimal.
Stick with good sterile procedures, you can never be too obsessive with this, avoid breathing into jars when you inoculate etc.
A good jar lid design has a lot to do with success too. But you can get great 99,x% success with regular tall drinking glasses + 2 layers of alufoil over.
Those are actually great, but work best with LC because normal spores take too long - else they may take a month and risk early fruiting
So all in all pftek's method really cannot be beat, it's still a very good beginner method, if you follow it you will keep having success.
But when you make your first print and make shrooms from that print then things can start to fail - mold and bacteria.
No spore print is sterile.
After your first grow you really need to look into agar to be serious about this hobby. maybe mushroomvideos.com got something about that
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: lessismore]
#21779509 - 06/08/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Another good idea is to avoid touching your jars after you inoculate
touching them can disturb the dry verm layer where contams may be in, and introduce contams
if you avoid touching them you will have more success than if you tilt your jars / touch them
put them away on a shelf until ready, and let colonize a week after full colonization to get mycellium to take hold of the cake
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: Pastywhyte]
#21779659 - 06/08/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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I gotcha, guess ill just have to trust the nethods I'm using. How long should it take to see some pins? I'm only on day two but Ive seen some that get pins days 2-4.
Also, I now know how to mist the cakes, and understand what it means to have glistening cakes so I'm not worried about that. Only thing that makes me worry about the humidity is that the water dissipated really fast in the sgfc If the humidity isn't high enough I'm guessing adding more perlite would be satisfactory. Correct?
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I wouldn't buy a hygrometer for a SGFC first time grow, just make sure you got several inches of plenty moist perlite in the bottom
think 3" is recommended at least or so, or no less than 2.5" - but see the tek
if you go below this , you may fail if you store your sgfc in a bad location with no airflow around (closet) you may fail if you fail to raise your sgfc from the table you may fail partly - it is important, put some coke capsules under it and a towel or such
raising the sgfc is essential
you got holes in the bottom, and you need air intake there... - else it all halts, deformed small shrooms
A last sidenote: it is recommended to have some good lighting, a CFL blue light tube works really great, one armature of that or 2 , gets plenty of pins Light is a pinning trigger, so good blue light gets you lots of pins - together with regular fanning
You will see the difference definitely, between no good light and CFL light
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Re: FIRST GROW BRF/PF TEK GROW LOG [Re: lessismore]
#21779998 - 06/08/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 7 months ago) |
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Pinning takes a while... be patient... 1-2 weeks is not uncommon .. :-)
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