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    #21687802 - 05/16/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

While I was hanging out in a tree, I thought, here and now would be the time and place to discuss protections. . .  Every wisdom tradition has them.  I have spent a great deal of my life studying these, in order to understand this fascinating aspect of spirituality.  Buddhism has them in the form of Sutras, and Mantras, there are hundreds, I practice maybe 5-10 of several traditions each fairly regularly.  One for instance from Buddhism is the Medicine Buddha Mantra; which is said to bring vast amounts of healing energy, merely seeing it once, or an image of the Medicine Buddha - yet not only healing and liberating, many of these mantras are also used to protect from all future harm. . . Hinduism and Buddhism have hundreds or thousands; these I am most familiar with, although as I have studied wisdom traditions and the world's cultures, I've found they're in every culture. 

What are your thoughts on protections, do you have some favorites?

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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21687870 - 05/16/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i love mantras :smile:

one of my favourites from tibetan buddhism is the Vajra Guru mantra - om ah hum vajra guru padma siddhi hum :smile:

i love reciting mantras and basking in the energy of it, really merging my being with the ongoing repetition :smile:


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Re: Protections [Re: deff]
    #21687964 - 05/16/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Oh that's very wonderful.  More than what I usually feel; I am so gladdened at seeing your words. 

I often chant them simply for protection, for those I love, for all beings, and to gain merit to save the species' lives.

One thing I noticed was chanting mantras with a pure heart helps to accumulate the energy, which then seems to make food taste better, things that bring peace and bliss, helps them to be more deeply beautiful and blissful. . .

the Tara mantra is the one that I felt similar to what you describe. . that was 6 years ago or so, it's the Om Tare Tuttare Ture Svaha mantra. . . and the Mantra of Avalokitesvara, the tune of it has appeared out of nowhere in my mind, in blissful and peaceful moments; probably a mind association type of thing.


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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21688025 - 05/16/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i'm by no means super sensitive to energy - but with enough repetition of a mantra it becomes easier to get into the flow of the whole process - and when you combine this with a heart-centered intention behind the mantra then it starts to feel quite nice :smile:

i very much love Tara as well - the imagery and story of her is quite beautiful :smile:


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Re: Protections [Re: deff]
    #21689888 - 05/17/15 09:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

hehe, yes.  I am, so it's necessary to be fearless and quite strong in that. :smile:


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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21693239 - 05/18/15 01:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I dont know if I really believe in protections

Unless there is a focus of powerful consciousness directed twords protection, sent from within this reality or otherwise - but perhaps thats what mantras and blessings provoke


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Re: Protections [Re: glimpee]
    #21694993 - 05/18/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I use the chaplet of St. Michael for protection.


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    #21695193 - 05/18/15 04:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's interesting Dev, hadn't heard of it.  The classic one I have heard and used most from Christianity is Psalms 23:4,

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me."

I haven't felt much need of it in quite a few years but it is a very effective prayer.


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Glimpee that's a very legitimate description of it, I would say :smile:

Also can be as simple as "May you be safe and well," or something like this.  There are some fascinating aspects about this, and how consciousness affects the world, our place in it and the rest.  One way I have pondered about it, is that it may have to do with per-saging the way things go.  I definitely have felt like I could walk safely anywhere.. through a ghetto or in a forest or anywhere, it's all the same..  So it's like what you were talking about, believing in something very much and testing it -that's a very nice thought.. 

One thing I definitely think it's very related to is that within and without unity, that oneness with the world.. In fact Lieh-tzu of Taoism mentioned this directly.. the enlightened person merges with the world around him and then cannot be harmed.  So a great deal of focus throughout my life is understanding protections, can that really be true? is it true? and so forth, and I definitely can say as my understanding of it has deepened, I would say it's true.

Of course, I've mentioned what I read by Mirra at an early age, she said, 'if one is in the divine consciousness, one cannot be harmed, even physically,' and it was partly meditation on that which led me to a further exploration of protections.  She also spoke more about this, and mentioned immobility (stillness) and it's fascinating and worth reading.  In Buddhism and Hinduism it's very central, to a lot of it, devotees are given protection; from both spiritual and physical events from happening..  The idea of internal and external being one is a point I come back to many times on it - of course, in visions of the divine, we get a glimpse how the source is within us and all around, and everything is. . get to see that -

Buddhism, especially Mahayana and Vajrayana have a great deal to say about it.  Pure Land Buddhism explores it extensively.  The Medicine Buddha mantra as well - but actually every legitimate mantra is part of it, and generally is said to do the same thing, or almost the same thing.

Then there is also the case of Crazy Horse, this one was very, very striking to me. . especially in its relation to Mirra's info on the topic, seems almost identical.  Of the First People, elder cousin of Black Elk, he was said to be in this consciousness. . cf. Black Elk Speaks for elucidation of that story.

By the way, may all who see this be safe and well. :-)


The Hindu conception of it is very beautiful: God is like the mother cat, and we are like kittens - to the mother's kittens, the mouth of their mama is safe, protective - she picks them up and moves them to a safe place; but to a mouse or other prey, her mouth is death.. and so calling to God is kittens calling to their mother. 


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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21695335 - 05/18/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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That's interesting Dev, hadn't heard of it.  The classic one I have heard and used most from Christianity is Psalms 23:4,

"Yea, though I walk through the valley of the shadow of death, I will fear no evil: for thou art with me; thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me."

I haven't felt much need of it in quite a few years but it is a very effective prayer.


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Glimpee that's a very legitimate description of it, I would say :smile:

Also can be as simple as "May you be safe and well," or something like this.  There are some fascinating aspects about this, and how consciousness affects the world, our place in it and the rest.  One way I have pondered about it, is that it may have to do with per-saging the way things go.  I definitely have felt like I could walk safely anywhere.. through a ghetto or in a forest or anywhere, it's all the same..  So it's like what you were talking about, believing in something very much and testing it -that's a very nice thought.. 

One thing I definitely think it's very related to is that within and without unity, that oneness with the world.. In fact Lieh-tzu of Taoism mentioned this directly.. the enlightened person merges with the world around him and then cannot be harmed.  So a great deal of focus throughout my life is understanding protections, can that really be true? is it true? and so forth, and I definitely can say as my understanding of it has deepened, I would say it's true.

Of course, I've mentioned what I read by Mirra at an early age, she said, 'if one is in the divine consciousness, one cannot be harmed, even physically,' and it was partly meditation on that which led me to a further exploration of protections.  She also spoke more about this, and mentioned immobility (stillness) and it's fascinating and worth reading.  In Buddhism and Hinduism it's very central, to a lot of it, devotees are given protection; from both spiritual and physical events from happening..  The idea of internal and external being one is a point I come back to many times on it - of course, in visions of the divine, we get a glimpse how the source is within us and all around, and everything is. . get to see that -

Buddhism, especially Mahayana and Vajrayana have a great deal to say about it.  Pure Land Buddhism explores it extensively.  The Medicine Buddha mantra as well - but actually every legitimate mantra is part of it, and generally is said to do the same thing, or almost the same thing.

Then there is also the case of Crazy Horse, this one was very, very striking to me. . especially in its relation to Mirra's info on the topic, seems almost identical.  Of the First People, elder cousin of Black Elk, he was said to be in this consciousness. . cf. Black Elk Speaks for elucidation of that story.

By the way, may all who see this be safe and well. :-)


The Hindu conception of it is very beautiful: God is like the mother cat, and we are like kittens - to the mother's kittens, the mouth of their mama is safe, protective - she picks them up and moves them to a safe place; but to a mouse or other prey, her mouth is death.. and so calling to God is kittens calling to their mother. 




I have been exploring the possibilities and extents of human power - my most recent goal is to achieve and then master OBE's, have one while tripping, understand it, the feeling, what comes before, recreate it while sober, explore.

But you just shifted my attention

What if you could cast protections on yourself? Would you need a personally extremely influential consciousness?

And to expand your consciousness, are you unlocking consciousness in yourself, are you creating more consciousness, or are you TAKING more consciousness?

I would assume the first and last. Consciousness is likely infinite, so its probably a mix of unlocking/taking (although if you could create consciousness [in this reality] that would open so many more possibilities. That would prove that humans can become gods (along with other theories)


But if you can cast protections on yourself, and you can alter your physical perceptions, it might be possible to influence OTHERS perceptions by tapping into their consciousness!

That might be the only legitimate way to get super powers. To have such a powerful consciousness that you can affect other peoples realities. Trippy.


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Re: Protections [Re: glimpee]
    #21696327 - 05/18/15 09:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The inherent issue I have with persuasion is that it is a form of coercion.  The only time I feel it is really a good thing is writing for peace; the rest of the time I leave it alone.  In the idea of writing for peace, I found a similarity one day when I came upon the Leaflets of the White Rose; it was joyful to see them, and many of the ideas are still true and valid; to turn off the war machine, etc., is among the primary memes that can have a positive effect in the world.  It's one of those things that can happen very soon.

Passive resistance to war in all its forms, and active spreading of the message of life, peace, and so forth, are some of the most effective ways.  Learning to be effective in the world, being unified in purpose, because when we are divided we are weakened, yet unified we are strong.  Yet that's only one aspect and can be gone beyond, as all others.

Classically, attempting to gain supernatural powers is a distraction, and the best thing I would generally say is to not worry about them, these things will develop naturally in time.  I've spent almost my whole time understanding nature, and seeking the highest, and there are some good ways to get there.  As you say, consciousness is essentially infinite; as I have put it, life is infinite; overcoming the desire for dominating others is one of the very-most essential keys to this whole process.  It's one of those ancient wisdom things, that the truly powerful has no wish to interfere with others generally. 

I do of course pray that all love all, yet for this to happen naturally it has to happen without persuasion.  There are some very beautiful aspects of life that can only be seen from the view-point of peace; and the highest view is certainly one situated in deep peace.  So I go there and share that we are all creators, leaders, and cornerstones...

Protection and peace is a good direction to focus one's energy, because it's that non-violent way of leading with Gentle Action.  If I can walk through this world vital, and unharmed, then others may see that I have done so, and by my life as my message, some good may come of it.  Central to this and almost all other parts of life seems to be unifying one's energy, and self-trust.


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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21696852 - 05/19/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The inherent issue I have with persuasion is that it is a form of coercion.  The only time I feel it is really a good thing is writing for peace; the rest of the time I leave it alone.  In the idea of writing for peace, I found a similarity one day when I came upon the Leaflets of the White Rose; it was joyful to see them, and many of the ideas are still true and valid; to turn off the war machine, etc., is among the primary memes that can have a positive effect in the world.  It's one of those things that can happen very soon.

Passive resistance to war in all its forms, and active spreading of the message of life, peace, and so forth, are some of the most effective ways.  Learning to be effective in the world, being unified in purpose, because when we are divided we are weakened, yet unified we are strong.  Yet that's only one aspect and can be gone beyond, as all others.

Classically, attempting to gain supernatural powers is a distraction, and the best thing I would generally say is to not worry about them, these things will develop naturally in time.  I've spent almost my whole time understanding nature, and seeking the highest, and there are some good ways to get there.  As you say, consciousness is essentially infinite; as I have put it, life is infinite; overcoming the desire for dominating others is one of the very-most essential keys to this whole process.  It's one of those ancient wisdom things, that the truly powerful has no wish to interfere with others generally. 

I do of course pray that all love all, yet for this to happen naturally it has to happen without persuasion.  There are some very beautiful aspects of life that can only be seen from the view-point of peace; and the highest view is certainly one situated in deep peace.  So I go there and share that we are all creators, leaders, and cornerstones...

Protection and peace is a good direction to focus one's energy, because it's that non-violent way of leading with Gentle Action.  If I can walk through this world vital, and unharmed, then others may see that I have done so, and by my life as my message, some good may come of it.  Central to this and almost all other parts of life seems to be unifying one's energy, and self-trust.




While peace is good - I feel that being a pacifist can be unhealthy. Aggression and violence are part of human nature - of life, but you just need to know how/when to harness it. You will not need to often in a society like ours, but it's still best to repress nothing (at least from my perspective of enlightenment)

That said - I think persuasion can have power as well. Would you fuck someone over for the greater good of two people? Would you try to persuade an authoritative father to teach problem solving skills rather than yelling? (thats not the best example)

To rule anything out is repression - regardless of context and relation to religion/spirituality - and I personally think that enlightenment is the mastery of true humanity - which means mastery without societal repression. Of course - I'm not trying to force these ideas on you, I'm rather sharing them, sorry if I am perceived as otherwise

I agree - trying to master powers is a distraction, but at the same time realizing them is kinda the only way for me to create new ways to teach myself how to get there - as I am trying to learn relatively alone through experience. Currently my biggest goal is removing a lot of the natural filter the mind puts information through before you "perceive" it

At the same time I'm trying to mix my imagination with my reality - so far I've hallucinated once (by accident) and I've gotten some patterns to move, auto-jump to a high level pseudo-fractal, and I've only once changed my perceptions of color (I got everything to look more vibrant as if I was on LSD, but I had taken fake LSD [candy with nothing in it])

So I'm trying to blindly explore with some basic ideas and goals in mind - something to work twords and keep organized... well kinda organized.

I pretty much agree on every other point tho


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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21697020 - 05/19/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

When I need protection I usually call the four corners/invoke the four archangels (Michael, Uriel, Raphael, and Gabriel).


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    #21697532 - 05/19/15 08:25 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If it seems like I'm focusing exclusively on protections, I should add that it's only one small aspect of spiritual health; joy, light, and the rest are also there - and good health. . .that's one of the key ones, to enter into infinite health. . . how to explain that one. :smile:  But it's very true.  Accumulation of merit, and this sort of thing - the energy of mindfulness and of love, very powerful expressions of light - being safe anywhere is just one, to me, fascinating aspect of spiritual life that is seen in all traditions.


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    #21697557 - 05/19/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Once you really get there, there is never a need for violence... ahimsa or nonviolence is a central part of several traditions..  Nonviolent action, nurtured by love, as Hanh mentions, is the best way to confront adversity. 

Yes you are correct, that all of these things have their place in life; study Miyamoto Musashi for some enlightened views on the subject.. he was, considered by many, the greatest samurai to ever live..  never lost a battle, etc., very brilliant fighter, and also a traveling ronin.  He wrote his strategy in the Book of Five Rings (and one other book I believe). . One thing he said was, the highest thing is to never have to use violence. .

The same thing is seen in aikido, which is very related to samurai swordsmanship.. it is basically evolved from it.  When you are about to draw your sword, and someone grabs your wrist - a natural thing to do, to keep you from drawing it - and you haven't drawn it - then that is essentially aikido from then on... in this martial art, non-conflict is the goal, to end the battle without damage; to take down without causing injury. . it's very beautiful to see the most attained masters at it.

One classic story is the man on the train. . . been working at aikido for a few years, very confident and skilled, and sort of looking for a time to prove himself. . . Anyway, an unruly drunk is on there, causing a lot of trouble for people, and the journeyman fighter thinks, "ah, a good chance to do a good deed," and gets up, walking over to the man to solve it with martial skills. . . But there was also a master on the train, who gets there first, and sits down beside the man - and asks him, "Buddy, what's the trouble?" empathically.  So the man immediately switches his tone, and begins to tell his story, and all is well -- solved without violence.

So this story is very illustrative of the principles at play.  Yes the adept could have solved it, without breaking bones; would have taken the man down in a pin, and held him there, etc. - but the master solves it completely better.


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    #21697568 - 05/19/15 08:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

We all have different spiritual traditions and belief systems

I wear several Triskellions. on my body.. One is inscribed on my wedding ring to my husband. The design on the ring is in Oghm, and reads. . My soulmate..and each side of the script, has a triskellion. We gave each other wards of protection, out of love. I also have a 4 tattoos that have triple spiral and more wards in Oghm.

I am a (Shaman), and I have met my spirit-guide / Guardian angel. Your, "guide" is the best protection you can ever have.

I have the (gift) In me already. In my belief system, I have Power in me already. I am one of Wakan Tanka's children, born Twin-Souled. I have a duty to protect my brothers and sisters and make this world better. I grow (sacred-plants), and help those in need of getting back on their own path. .. Some may call it vision-quest.

Some friends have asked me to (cleanse) them.. Cast spells, talk to spirits in their homes, protect them. I am happy to do so. I will (protect) people, because what good is having the gift, if you do not help people.

Yes I believe in (protection). Some people need to feel spiritual-protection. Security is a basic Human desire.

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Re: Protections [Re: kizatzhaddarak]
    #21697621 - 05/19/15 09:19 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Immeasurably beautiful post, kizatz haddarak.

Yes I have learned over the years, it's incorrect to cover one's light; once we are completely healed, to share, 'I am completely healed,' is a good and kind thing to do.

I am completely healed as well, found the boundless and infinite peace, life and heatlh, that is within all, and attained it in full. 

It may expressed innumerable ways, and a simple statement, 'Here I am,' is as full and as beautiful as any other.

The compassionate wish for healing, strength and protection of all beings is very good as well.  I have thought of it like this, we find the spirit light, and see its beauty, and attain it, then grow it into a strong and powerful tree, that may shelter many, many beings.  It is only good to do this, to offer this shelter; or to share one's light with the world - over many lifetimes we learn the best way how to do this..

And a simple way is to view all souls as deserving of life, love, and the rest; and protection.  We're all part of this mother earth, and all life is sacred, and holy.  There are hundreds, or thousands of little secrets, or tricks to perfect health, that I would wish the world to know - have wished for my entire life. . . occasionally and from time to time I will mention one or another; it is not necessary to learn from anyone, within the heart is all knowledge, and the way of perfect living is accessible. . . it's beyond everything, pretty much.  Even all of the herbal remedies and so forth, as good as they are, are not truly necessary for this light.

Beauty and peace to you and yours, thanks for sharing such a beautiful post, full of light.  It is immeasurably bright.


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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21698769 - 05/19/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You did a much better job of getting the violence when you need it - except I think even a master should know how to harness anger (in a healthy way) if not just for the sake of holism but for that one situation where there is no way to persuade the threat - the best example would be hunting, extremely strict dominance systems, and when dealing with someone/thing that is acting in pure anger. You don't wanna be the pacifist that tries to reason with the drunk dude hitting a woman - you need to get in there and stop it.

That said - in the most part violence is unnecessary except in rare/more natural conditions, but the teachings of complete pacifism and nonviolence always seemed closed minded to me - aggression is again part of our nature and repression impedes progress - maybe even prevents progress at a certain point

Kitz added an interesting side of healing - thinking about it relating to aggression it's something man has to control a lot less. As in there is never a circumstance where someone doesn't deserve to be healed. By the way its super awsome that you can actually spread this good health :smile: Is that something you unlocked or have you always been spiritually in tune? (just curious)

I also think it's interesting that there are so many ways to invoke protection - proving to me more that each religion really is just a doorway into higher planes. Maybe strict atheists are actually doomed haha, I hope not though, and I also doubt it


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Re: Protections [Re: glimpee]
    #21699972 - 05/19/15 08:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey I wrote a lot, I know it's kind of a tl;dr (I just figured that one out! 'bout a week ago, lol), just kinda got rambling, and, you know.


Yes, there are certain times when calmness is not the best; raise your energy, meet the situation, handle it.  It's not anger, though, it's just energy.

Anger is a energy, it's close related to other afflictive ones.  Buddha said it well, it is like a hot coal - people hold it, thinking to hurt someone, but it only burns the one holding it.  Once it's gone for good, anytime it's encountered, it's still felt but it's just like an energy.

I spent a while in a wonderful place to meditate upon your question. . in total peace and joy, watching the rain come down. . with one of my best friends, Shaggy the cat.  Outside in the clean air.

My own divine experience showed me there is, infinitely, no reason to worry, fear or doubt, and along the same lines the same can be said for anger. 

Best way I know of transforming anger is dealing with it lovingly. . . Hanh spoke of this. . he calls it taking good care of it, with love and tenderness. . Because, it's not something apart from you (or me) or whoever is feeling it.  Since it's a part of us, it shouldn't be like avoided, just tenderly loved and cared for, this is best way of transforming it.

I'd have to study Musashi again to see how well he knew this, but I would like to learn more about him someday. 

Hanh once mentioned, or a few times did, the energy of mindfulness and love. . when he mentioned this, the energy of mindfulness, it really clicked with me; and I've been thinking about starting a thread and plan to in a week or so.  The idea is to build up the energy of mindfulness, and that is a buoy, for transforming anything in life we come to, it really works.

So it's like that, an energy. . Trust me, you don't have less energy once you master yourself, you have much more. 

So - I saw for certain, there's no need for any worry or doubt, no matter what may happen, in a million years, never is; because there's nothing but luminous awareness. . this is the reality, I would say. . Sharing it is high art; often simplicity is best, or focusing all energy into creative endeavor, writing poetry, painting, singing, music, etc.  Many others do this. .

Yet this doesn't mean passivity, nor allowing injustice.  When action is required, it ought or even must be taken.  But what energy we have while we take that, is a whole other thing.  So - if there's a situation where calmness is definitely not right (and most of times, being calm is best), then raise energy and do it, like you say, but raising one's energy level and anger are not quite the same. . there's a self-destructive aspect to anger. .  anyway.

You mentioned when another is in need of aid, and this is one time when persuasion (which normally I am against, as it is a form of coercion, and. . this is a whole other topic) but yes, in this case, it's best to prevent those actions. 

There's definitely something to be said for deeper understandings of the universe and oneness. . . Lieh-tzu's statement comes back to mind, and it's very fascinating. . . seems to be true on many levels, the enlightened person is one with everything around him, and cannot be harmed. . . and what Mirra said, of course.

So this is why I value protections so much, the divine consciousness, when it's not possible to be harmed. . . Mirra talks about immobility, which is nice.  Later I heard Peter Tosh sing about this, "I am a firm ripe diamond, you cannot move I at all," "I am the son of lightning, you cannot move I at all," and other things like this, very connected to other things.


The story of Mila is a good example of the whole question. . . I went to watch it, and near the end, these last lines stood out to me, said by Marpa;

"O Milarepa proud one, nothing external can lift your heart! Do not indulge in wandering thoughts, or you will succumb to unwholesome thoughts!

Let the mind be tranquil, do not be distracted, do not be distracted, or your devotion will be carried away by the winds!

Never forget. . .
That which benefits the heart, is our sacred treasure"

I had just gone to Vivekananda quotes to find this one (shared on Ascension thread shortly), and happened to write the above down right next to these two:

That man has reached immortality who is disturbed by nothing material.

You have to grow from the inside out. None can teach you, none can make you spiritual. There is no other teacher but your own soul.

It's quite interesting; one other thing I was going to say about it earlier is, not attached and so forth.


I went back to see your post again before posting this. . Yes, aggression is, part of our nature; yet we are in a different world than 1,000 or 5,000 years ago, etc., and for this we play by different rules.  Aggression no longer gets you to the top of the pack; Warren Buffett for example, got there by very different skills than hunting and fighting. 

Yet even 5,000 years ago, there were shamans - and this is the same thing they have been saying always; that there's higher realities, that we can access, and there are higher realms. . I like the statement by Vivekananda because it helps explain what I meant by the non-attachment comment - being undisturbed, by anything, shows a lot of strength.  All of these things are ultimately insubstantial. 


In a sense, and I saw this in meditation on the rain, there are only two energies in the world. . . truthfully there is only one, but you could say there are only two:

One is healing, growth, love, the other is anger, destruction. . . there are unlimited shades of these, and it can also be said to all be one.  You know?  But these two are there, the two main ones - healing or destruction, and it's definitely true I'd say that healing is winning out. . .

Strength is with the first one. . . There are strong and weaker types of each of this, but in general, everything on the side of love, healing, growth is renewing, strengthening, and beautiful, while everything on the side of contraction (one could also say these are expansion and contraction), those are of devastation - so it's only a matter of time until healing, renewal wins out.  It's interesting that shamans and mystics have said that all is love, all is light, that at the essential level, all things come from the creative source, the energy of love.

One thing I have thought about is this: the ambition for power, that egoic drive, that's like. . . the initial impulse.  But eventually it gets pointed in the right direction, that is, towards discovery, toward love, towards truth, and then is when things really get good.  That's when life really becomes beautiful.

I've spent a lifetime of working these things out, with an IQ that's off the charts, not saying you should simply trust what I believe, but just to say I have spent some time on them. . . and time seems to go very slowly for me. :smile:

If you take the one type of energy to its extreme, then you have like. . . worry about nothing, seppeku etc. 

Samurais took some of these questions so seriously that they attained some perfection in fighting, but too seriously that they committed seppeku etc. . . you know what I mean?  Like, honor is important but it is only valuable if it's effortless...  And I'm rambling a bit, these last two paras were not not strictly necessary.

Aggression as you say is part of us.  It's essentially a result of testosterone, which is a chemical part of our nature, if you look at some animals that have too much of it, like hyenas, both genders have a similar shaped. . . well, that's beside the point. 

I guess, what I would say is, be the best possible, but not for anyone else.

Ah, it's very complex but simpler than anything. . . Simple thing is, the world needs love. . Self mastery, is key, but we can have great, great energy without having any aggression; also perfect health, proper chemical balance included, without having aggression.

Yeah but like I say I've spent my life understanding these things. . . The fighter instinct, that like, gets Ceasar and Napoleon to where they are, the martial aspect; interesting thing, part of every living being, you know?

But look what happened to them, what happened to Stalin, etc., this is why the search for love is much higher; every living being has that martial aspect still. . . One thing I have found. . . you'll probably appreciate this, is - on the spiritual path you don't lose anything. . You don't lose power or energy or anything like that.  People who neglect their more sensitive side, their inner self development, or their spiritual search, they eventually need it again. . . What I mean is - if you learn the secrets to spiritual nature, you will have more vital energy than you did before; and if you come across a situation where hard work needs to be done, like at a job or something, it'll be much easier.

Stopping that drunk is easy when you are in touch with the source of energy.


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Re: Protections [Re: once in a lifetime]
    #21700749 - 05/20/15 12:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Believe but never trust :smile: I'm living by that phrase right now (although it needs adjusting, because I could also say trust but never believe...)

That said, you have a lot of valuable insights, and I agree, we are in a different world with different rules. And I don't think there is much (if any) actual need for anger or aggression.

A whole human is prepared for anything, however. And harnessing anger doesn't mean acting without a clear mind and with the intention of peace. Perhaps anger isn't even really the right word with all the stigmas on it. I would say samurai, even battling for honor and maintaining composure harnessed a form of anger or aggression, just the controlled, mastered form.

I think in the end we make generally the same conclusion, although I'll say I think all parts of humanity should be mastered, refined, and understood rather than repressed in any way. I'm not sure if I've said this already but many of the spiritual mis-teachings I think is being passed down through countless religions results in the repression of anger, greed, gluttony, etc. rather than the mastery and understanding of those natures

Also I don't think my examples were the best. There aren't many examples in modern society where anger should be called upon. Perhaps if there was another Hitler situation but even then that could be "resolved" peacefully in the right hands.

Aliens who cant communicate with you enslaving your race and taking your planet might be an example - as I said a whole human is ready for anything :smile:


i feel I should mention this on this post - more of my theories about this stuff are more metaphorical than literal - there are exceptions to everything and I don't want to sound presumptuous but I also don't wanna explain that I don't wanna be presumptuous every time I talk about this stuff


Back to protections though - I wonder if there is a socially (as in "scientifically") accepted version of protections. Maybe something like astrology or even medicine can carry protective intentions. I believe intention can be bound to items and even ideas, I don't really know how or why but for example I think there is no original thought - just the mixing of previous thoughts/ideas/experiences. And I think each of those thoughts that make an "original thought" as well as how that thought gets perceived have an impact on how it gets perceived in the future. There is a correlation, which is inconclusive, but its possible that consciousness is either the interaction between humans, or more spiritually connections of humans to thoughts and other humans has to do with something outside out untrained perceptions

Actually those perceptions may have been unlearned - unnecessary for survival and prosperity

I hope that last bit wasn't to jumbly and hard to understand


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Re: Protections [Re: glimpee]
    #21702645 - 05/20/15 02:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nope, I understand you.  The right way is a union of logic and intuition; I believe.  Then many spheres are available.

The concept of 'perceived gullibility' is a nice one, I did find it interesting that you and I essentially had the same view on this. . it serves one well, I have found.  Believe and trust - yet know that all is deeper than it appears, would be yet a third way of expressing it.  There is basically an unlimited level of consciousness within everyone and everything; and of course the source is, classically, beneath many layers of illusion - yet also those layers of illusion are as nothing, so the source is right here right now, and simulpresent in all locations, etc.

Because of this, there is truth within everything, even if covered up.

Also, we create our reality, our world, our universe, understanding this brings a lot of peace about many things; we are co-creating along with all other forms;

The point of agreeing with others, even if you have seen a deeper truth, is connected to several ideas - one of which is that all is partly true and partly false, in the words of Pascal, another being that a fool who persists in his folly will eventually become wise.

A third is that unconcern can be effective in life; as others were mentioning about how to overcome anxiety - we create the world, as much as the world creates us, and send out our energy into the universe, and that comes back to us, it's an ever continuing flow and ebb, between inner and outer, self and the universe.

Lastly, since we affect others, and the world, we're each responsible, and so finding the truest way of expressing beauty and love, or what we'd like to share. . . what I mean, communicating, like in the Taoist sense of it, or as Ram Dass said, allowing others to be as they are, who they wish to be, allowing them that free space, is the best thing one can do - and also the most effective at sharing deep peace if we've found it and want to share it, or truths about good health, etc.

One thing that's interesting - ambition and so forth - if it's turned towards spiritual pursuits, brings a lot of rewards.  It's just a different goal; peace, truth, understanding, etc.  And it's very good. . .

Lastly, of course, there is the truth seen in visions that there is nothing to do. . . This is the interesting thing. . Humanity has conquered and attained everything - except the art of attaining peace; and so that's the primary goal. . . and to reach supreme peace, a spiritual goal, is the real journey, seeking the real, etc., that is the most wonderful journey, attaining that.  And it's unlimited in scope, essentially, endless. 

Yet to get there, one has to do, nothing - all that's needed to attain supreme peace is to cut off the roots of war. . and that's attainable within an instant, the whole world over, which is why prophets and seers have always seen that paradise and beauty are right here and now. 

One thing I come back to time and again, is that the most important thing in the world today is simply to return lushness, balance and harmony to the world, and the thing is, it can be reached overnight. . We can reduce our consumption by 50% overnight, and it isn't even difficult; I've done so by about 95%, a small step, and it was quite easy. . . Joy doesn't come from material things. . a simple yet deep truth.

Anyway, that shift is definitely happening. . balance is being restored. . lushness and beauty are returning swiftly. . . let's keep it up. :smile:


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