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Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log
    #21687741 - 05/16/15 05:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Bought a blueoyster starter pack off amazon

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B00N190V6K/ref=oh_aui_detailpage_o02_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1


So far I have transferred some samples from the fully colonized block in the mail to agar plates.
These all grew mycelium I think...


Just about every dish from this pack contained bacteria. I also eberbach the rest of the block. I may have made it too muddy and put it into bulk straw and  coir. I saw some cobweb in it all ready and no mycelium growth. I did fall asleep during the pasteurization but I have it auto maintained to 145F-150F

I got a Lions mane from outgrow.
http://out-grow.com/fungi-cultures-c-2/10ml-liquid-culture-syringes-lions-mane-hericium-erinaceus-p-275.html

I first applied the LC to some dishes. Been a week most have no growth but some do and the ones that do have some bacteria contamination.


I can't tell if the white fluf is mane or mold. Some input on that before I transfer them over to new dishes would be great!


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21695679 - 05/18/15 07:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The top pic has what looks to me like good mycelium for a transfer. I cant tell much in the 2nd pic.

The 3rd pic looks like it needs a few more days to show you what it has to offer.:grin::thumbup:


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Humbled]
    #21696820 - 05/19/15 12:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've transferred all on sat morning. So far no sings of contamination following forward. Some of the dishes of lions mane that showed no growth are now showing sings of growth too.


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One lion's dish has carried forward bacteria, it was one I had issue getting the agar off the knife. Also the lions mane growth seems rather slow compared to the oyster. I have little growth on the lions mane


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21711507 - 05/22/15 05:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Getting my work area ready.


From the 2nd transfers I have gotten a few that are a single colony with amazing growth for a week.

The lion's main growth is still kinda odd. It seems to be externally slow too. I have got one that has a flat growth on it I think. About all of the transfers I made from the first dish have not started to grow on the 2nd dish. Just kinda fluffed out a little. More pictures to come of that later.

Eberched a few dishes of agar, dear god I have soo much oyster myc left in it. I covered it back up with tinfoil and put it in the fridge. After these grains take I'm going attempt to use more from the same batch.

Transferred some of the king oyster to petri dishes also grain transferred to some grains too. Washed the entire bag with 70% isopropyl before opening it.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21933917 - 07/12/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Took a break got back into it a few weeks ago. Put a lot of my plates into the fridge and they mostly got contaminated. Did grain to grain transfers of my jars and setup some straw logs.


I think I'm good but I broke up the fully colonized grains with my hands that were fairly clean at the time but I'm a tad worried that may have ruined them. I pasteurized straw for 1 hour @ 145-150F I didn't add hydrated lime to the straw... Not sure if that is essential


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21933962 - 07/12/15 03:24 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Interesting :smile:


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: naughtywifeaz]
    #21934073 - 07/12/15 03:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Here is some pictures.



Grain transfer next to a blender sample. My blue oyster myc is rather weak. I suspect that its been transferred too many times before I got it.


Bulk grains for my logs.
2/3 failed.The two that failed had too high moisture content and to top it off the weak genetics of the blue oysters.
This picture was from the same batch it did great and colonized within a weak from the king oysters.


Chopping some straw.


A 5 gallon 1000W bucket heater. A temperature controller that is extremely easy to program got off amazon and two water current thingies to ensure even temperature in the cooler.



Ended up wrapping in a blanket to help hold the temperature.




Straw logs had holes poked into them with a scapulae. Room where they are stored currently has 54% RH


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21944200 - 07/14/15 09:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I'm worried that my moisture content may be too high. Should I be poking some larger holes into the bags? Also should I burp them?






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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21944690 - 07/14/15 11:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Did you have a control agar plate open while working? You might just have a bad work environment for agar. My blue oysters started from that amazon source as well. I did a GTG from the sawdust to WBS and got good results. I wouldnt say they had weak genetics, pretty fast for me at least. Not as fast as my phoenix oysters but i think there a faster variety. For colonizing just let it be. If you have holes poked every 6" or so you should be fine. Colonization only needs a little gas exchange, you don't need or want to pump fresh air in there. What is your fruiting chamber going to be?

What did you use that blender for? That could be a source of contam. How do you sterilize it?


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21947322 - 07/15/15 01:11 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The blender is an eberbach blender. I didn't use it for the bulk. The bulk contamination came from too much water. The walls of the tub were sweating.

I don't usethe blender that much yet. I'm still experimenting it. So far what I have used it for had sauces. I cover the top with tin foil and put the whole thing into a pressure cooker for 30 minutes. Of course minus the base. I do three two second bursts when I use it. The grains I used it on I broke up on Monday. I'll get some pictures when I get home


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21949557 - 07/15/15 09:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Only 1 of the 6 jars with the blender failed.



Failed jar as you can see a section in this following picture where bacteria took over.





The following are the Lion's mane. The myc is hard to see with these guys.
As far as I can tell there is 0 fail with them



What I dislike about these guys since I'm starting out with them. I find it hard tell when its ready to transfer these suckers.

Also from what I have been reading Laitake and Shiitake will only fruit on wood. Lion's mane will fruit on straw but wont be as good.

So I'm looking for cheap sources of wood. From what I read hardwood fuel pellets work well. I also saw bulk aspen bedding at a feed store a year back. I'm going to give them a call as its a 50 min trip one way to them same to hardwood stores etc. I live in kinda in the middle of no where. Closet thing I've been able to find around the local area is tree bark witch can only be supplemented up to 20% from what I have read.. I have come across downed trees that "could be used"

When growing indoors from grain to wood do you want to pasteurize or sterilize the wood?

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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21950886 - 07/16/15 08:18 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yes you want to pasteurize the mulch with heat 140-150 core temp for 60-90min. I sourced free mulch from my local town recycle center, you can also look for nearby wood mills or cabinet/furniture makers using hard woods. Look around before you spend any money on mulch or sawdust. With lions mane my reading found that coco coir is also good substrate for it, i currently have a grow bag colonizing in coir.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21951087 - 07/16/15 09:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I wouldn't be surprised if all of your bags stall and you start seeing mean green and bacteria in them.

I noticed your lab work lacked some good aseptic conditions, besides the fact that I find the origin and cleanliness of your master cultures questionable.

Your straw pasteurization was without any thing that changes the ph and it was kind of low (you wanna be closer to 160, not 140)...

The blender thing also increases my skepticism of you getting fruit of those logs.

However... regardless of the success of this grow fruit-wise, you're doing an excellent job and are obviously on the right track!

You're very creative. Check your aseptic lab techniques and keep up the good work- good luck with the straw logs!


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    #21951260 - 07/16/15 10:09 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My logs are doing fine. I poked some more holes into them. After reviewing what other people have done. My logs didn't have large enough holes to allow excessive moisture to escape. Pasteurization starts at 140. My ranges are 145-152

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Maintaining an internal substrate temperature of 140F to 160F for 60 to 90 minutes will give effective pasteurization.
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My tap water has a PH of 7.9 witch is rather high. Hydrated lime has a PH of 12 witch is diluted into water the raise the PH. Overall my logs look fine and almost ready. I'm still worried about the excessive water in them. I didn't follow the

From the plates I did 2-3 transfers before I went to grain.

I have also moved my lab in the mean time. I moved it outside of my room that had a swamp cooler into it into a bedroom.

I thought landscaping mulch is bad as it contains fungicide and mostly bark. I'd have to look around town for somewhere that may be a dump for wood.

Heres some updated logs




Here is from a grain to grain of blue oysters.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21951806 - 07/16/15 12:22 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Landscape mulch does work, the mulch that I use is just all the broken branches and trimmings the city collects. They shred it up and place it Into a dumpster for free pickup. Sure there are rocks and plastic mixed in but you can easily pick all that out. You can also try getting with a local tree removal service just be specific you want a healthy oak or hardwood tree. The only thing is they would dump a full load of 6-10 yards, if you have a garden you can use it as landscape mulch since you'll have so much.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21956595 - 07/17/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Options are rather limited local

Here is what I can buy locally in terms of wood products.




The bark from what I have read can only be used up to 20% of the product. I haven't seen logs on garden mulch bough from a store.

My other local options are to buy or barrow a wood chipper(been asking friends all ready. Most don't have them) and shred local branches. There are plenty of logs and branches around. Turning logs into indoor suitable substrate I would imagine being much more difficult.

Other option would be taking a 50 min one way trip and checking out a bunch of stores to see what hardwood options I would have. Down there I may be able to get some options of compost.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21956713 - 07/17/15 03:34 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Try a local nursery, they might have bulk mulch. It needs to be hardwood mulch. Did you try your local town municipalities or local tree companies? You could even try calling a tree company and ask them if you can stop by at a job and steal a few pails of mulch.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21956810 - 07/17/15 04:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nusry only had bark and cedar. Cedar being an antifungal wood. Town hall said the only local place would be the dump (full on im the ground dump off a highway) the local tree company could be a good bet


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21956892 - 07/17/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Does the dump have a separate pile for mulch? Id stop by or call the dump and see.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21956939 - 07/17/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Got off the phone with the dump, they do have a separate place for wood. The rep on the phone said all they had were small branches and sagebrush. Ill try giving the local tree cutting company a call tomorrow, just about everything shuts down at 4 here..


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21960220 - 07/18/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Looks like my best bet would be getting my own chipper for branches. The only two tree cutting companies in town are apparently closed on the weekends. I drove to their place of business they had piles of branches and  logs. I didn't see any mulch. I'm still going to give them a call but I have low hopes.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21961402 - 07/18/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Is this 100% colonized lion's mane?




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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21961652 - 07/18/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

:super:

I guess 100% colonization could maybe be debatable with this species, but these are ready to be spawned.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
    #21961685 - 07/18/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I was going to transfer to bulk wood chips. Not sure if would be better to pasteurize the wood or sterilize it.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21961864 - 07/18/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Pasteurize


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: nooberst]
    #21962038 - 07/18/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

That second jar almost looks wet or contaminated. Make sure you smell your jars before spawning. The lions manes that i have haven't taken too well to my mulch, they are really slow to colonize even in the jars, so spawn heavy if your growth is a weak as mine. I actually went and took 6 jars of colonized WBS today and dumped into one grow bag for fruiting directly off the grains out the bag. The oysters however love the mulch, devour the stuff.

You definitely want to pasteurize, its a lot less equipment to pasteurize a large volume of substrate.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21962096 - 07/18/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

The pics are both pics from the same jar. I always smell them before I put them into bulk. Would recommend a 1 part grain to 2 part bulk?

Would you recommend the same ratio for Shiitake and Maitake as they are also slow colonizers.

My Maitake. These are agar to grain. I was begging to think they got contaminated or something. My Shiitake took off faster than them.



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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21962286 - 07/18/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

my lions mane looks dry and chalky when fully colonized. Id say wait a few days to a week for it to colonize better.




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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21962397 - 07/18/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

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my lions mane looks dry and chalky when fully colonized. Id say wait a few days to a week for it to colonize better.







Your first jar looks done to me.

But that second jar...there's really no need to let your LM spawn colonize that far along. IME using it sooner is better. I usually try and use a jar before seeing many small fruits at all...

LM mycelium is really hard to see and faint on grains. Often your jars could be fully colonized before its mycelium growth is even very noticeable.

Spawning LM when completely colonized and well on its way to fruiting mushrooms off the grains like that is only going to slow down the growth in your final substrate. Its going to be hard to break up and once those little mushrooms get mixed into a woody substrate they tend to just hang out and essentially rot. The real growth will come from your grain mycelium. 

Its still ok to use, just more work getting it out and like you said its going to move slow.

But LM spawn is much different then oyster spawn and doesn't really need that full of colonization.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
    #21962649 - 07/18/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Yea that second jar is fruiting in my chamber with no lid. That's my first jar of LM and i wanted to see it fruit asap. In the first jar you can see clusters are starting to form tiny fruits, thats a good sign its definitely 100% colonized.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21962748 - 07/18/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Surprised your letting it fruit with just grains. From what I hear is they need wood or some wood sub or they wont do well at all.. Also good to know what to look for when the mane is ready to be transferred. Do you expose your to light? I have all my jars exposed to light and not enclosed in a dark room.

Also what about the spawn to bulk ratios for shiitake, lions mane and maitake? :wink:


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21962829 - 07/18/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I never use a dark room for anything. My "incubation room" is just my walk in pantry where the light is on and off throughout the day. For the most part especially with blues its the FAE that starts pinset, that and a temperature drop. The LM must be more light sensitive than oysters as they fruit on the sides of the jars even with the lid still on where there is extremely low FAE. I haven't grown maitake or shiitake and have just started LM so i don't want to give bad advice. I spawn my oysters at around 6% by weight 2 qt jars per 5 gal sub. That gives you much faster colonization and better yield according to commercial production studies i've read. 6% gives me a grain about 1/2-3/4" apart when mixed thoroughly so colonization goes down in less than two weeks.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21966759 - 07/19/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Temp and humidity monitor


One of the bags had had dye spilled on it before it was made.


Some Perlite to keep humidity up as it goes down to 33% in my place when I turn the A/C on even with a humidifier running.

I may need to put a second tub in there.

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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21968199 - 07/19/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Put a 2nd tub in and humidity is sitting around 40%

I've never grown anything this big.

What would you recommend doing. I got a cool mist humidifier I can put in the tent or I can mist them.

What would you guys recommend doing?


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21971029 - 07/20/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Get that cool mist in there for sure.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
    #21975559 - 07/21/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Got done talking to the tree services and some land spacing services in town. They either burn pit the branches or through them in the desert somewhere and burn them after the burn ban is lifted. Out of the wood dump sites I've seen in town and some of these services use its just full on branches.


http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Chipper-CJ601E-Electric-Shredder/dp/B007VX11O8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437504629&sr=8-1&keywords=chipper

Looks like a cheap Chinese crap. It can hardly do 1 1/2 inch branches on the reviews.

Looks like my best bet would be wood pellets. I'm heading into town now to look at them. I don't think they are hardwood pellets.

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Found these guys for 5.79 at my local feed store.
Not for wood stoves etc. Says keep dry. I would assume they they will crumble apart when hydrated and I'm trying to figure out what kind of wood it is compromised of and the manufacture's site does not state anything about animal bedding.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21975787 - 07/21/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Those should work fine. :thumbup:

It's probably a lesser quality wood than whats used for their burning-fuel pellets, but I don't think the Zeolite is anything to worry about. That's probably another reason it says its not designed to use for burning. I think Zeolite might also be used in soil amending in the agriculture industry, so probably no worries about it being bad for edible mushrooms. 

Since its meant to be used as an absorbent, it may hold water better than normal sawdust - making it less likely that your filter bags will pool water. And the extra minerals from natural Zeolite could benefit your fruits.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
    #21975815 - 07/21/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I called the manufacture directly to ask about the wood types. They are going to give me a call back when the rep comes back in.

I'm going to be moving shiitake and lions mane to these. I want to sterilize but everyone keeps saying pasteurize. My maitake is growing really slow so will be awhile before I can transfer it.

It's composed of hem fir and some kind of pine. hem fir looks like it's also in the pine family


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21976013 - 07/21/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

I've never tried to grow on any kind of conifer, I've only read about some peoples mixed results with it. :shrug:


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
    #21976608 - 07/21/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

It's also mixed with pine so probably a streetlight no go. Roger rabbit use to use pin sawdust that was aged for over a year with hardwood chips. This probably has too much anti fungal in the mix.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21979984 - 07/22/15 11:27 AM (8 years, 6 months ago)

My RH went up to 99% last night while temp went down to 66F 18.88C

First two days RH was at 30-50% I was misting heavily.
I'm since its gotten to 60-99% I've stopped misting. I'm trying to keep it at 80%. I'm still not seeing any fruit bodies. It's been about 3 days since I've put them in my little tent and I'm still not seeing any pinning. Is it just too soon or is it that my conditions are less than optimal?


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Just knocked up 16 pint jars with LI from my blender. Hopefully will see growth within 2-4 days and colonized within 7-12. Ill be posting pictures once they start to fail or work. To be honest I didn't practice the best sterile tech for them.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21986157 - 07/23/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Should I be worried about my kings? They still havenb't started to pin and the temps I have been keeping them at have been 63-75F
They did start off rather dry... First few days they are 35%RH to 50 now they at 70-80% and have been getting up to 90-99% at night



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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21986426 - 07/23/15 05:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Patience. Im sure pins will start soon.

I have this chipper at my house in MD. It works great for 1/4 chips but you need to feed it straight branches with leaves removed. It takes branches up to 2".


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    #21986605 - 07/23/15 06:35 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Nice man, think I'm just going to wait till I move. It will be a more populated area and I'd be able to get an used one cheaper there. Thank you for the link though.

I also cut away more at the plastic for the logs. Hopefully to allow more air on the logs itself. This would probably require me to mist more despite the RH.


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #21987333 - 07/23/15 09:10 PM (8 years, 6 months ago)

Hopefully when you move you can source free or cheap local mulch, sawdust or straw. Ive made my own mulch before and it takes a lot of wood to make a few buckets of mulch. If you had a commercial chipper taking 8" logs its one thing but 2" branches don't have much to em. Where do you plan to move to?


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    #22027774 - 08/01/15 10:45 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)









I think my oysters that are leaving the plastic are drying out. I ended up covering everything from before and just cutting slits into the substrate. You can see a few aborts above. The RH is 70-80% I'm still misting about 2-5 times a day. I also have a swamp cooler in the room that brings in air from the outside. The house RH is around 15-20%

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    #22029374 - 08/01/15 04:31 PM (8 years, 5 months ago)

Thinking about tearing off the fabric and replacing it with painting tarp atm.


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    #22031575 - 08/02/15 12:38 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I turned my fan off tonight. There is going to be water pooling on the bottom of the of closest.




This is some proof of dryness despite the RH reading 70-80% I'm not sure if changing to painters tarps would fix the issue. My place is mostly carpet I don't want to ruin the floor as I'm renting.

without a fan the coolmist should be top fed into the grow area correct?


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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
    #22036402 - 08/03/15 05:26 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

As you asked I will chime in however you should note that I suck at growing kings (which is what you have, not blue oyster) and I am not the best person to advise on small scale grows.

However, your pins show variation in humidity, called scale.

Keep your fan on in the tent circulating air all the time, not blowing directly on the mushrooms. With kings the air being pumped in with the cool mist will be enough FAE. You want high humidity when pinning and lower when growing 70ish. Stick to plastic.

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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: solarity]
    #22051307 - 08/06/15 12:39 AM (8 years, 5 months ago)

I tired a more bulk pasteurizing method. I used hydrated lime, gyp. Took 4 hours to get to temperature. Pasteurized them for 1 hour than went to bed while I let it cool.

I put the bulk mixed into 5 gallon buckets. I didn't have holes drilled into till today. It has been 2 days. They smell like bacteria and the top of the lid was covered in water when I poped it open. I assume them sitting in the bucket for 2 days with too much water in the substrate caused them to become infected with bacteria or do you guys think it was the long pasteurizing process? I think it was too much water in the substrate and not having holes.

I love how finky and exact you have to be for all of this. Small messups screw up everything


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