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vatman
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21960220 - 07/18/15 11:52 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Looks like my best bet would be getting my own chipper for branches. The only two tree cutting companies in town are apparently closed on the weekends. I drove to their place of business they had piles of branches and logs. I didn't see any mulch. I'm still going to give them a call but I have low hopes.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21961402 - 07/18/15 05:00 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Is this 100% colonized lion's mane?

Edited by vatman (07/18/15 05:03 PM)
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21961652 - 07/18/15 06:04 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I guess 100% colonization could maybe be debatable with this species, but these are ready to be spawned.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
#21961685 - 07/18/15 06:13 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I was going to transfer to bulk wood chips. Not sure if would be better to pasteurize the wood or sterilize it.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21961864 - 07/18/15 06:55 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Pasteurize
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: nooberst]
#21962038 - 07/18/15 07:40 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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That second jar almost looks wet or contaminated. Make sure you smell your jars before spawning. The lions manes that i have haven't taken too well to my mulch, they are really slow to colonize even in the jars, so spawn heavy if your growth is a weak as mine. I actually went and took 6 jars of colonized WBS today and dumped into one grow bag for fruiting directly off the grains out the bag. The oysters however love the mulch, devour the stuff.
You definitely want to pasteurize, its a lot less equipment to pasteurize a large volume of substrate.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21962096 - 07/18/15 07:52 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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The pics are both pics from the same jar. I always smell them before I put them into bulk. Would recommend a 1 part grain to 2 part bulk?
Would you recommend the same ratio for Shiitake and Maitake as they are also slow colonizers.
My Maitake. These are agar to grain. I was begging to think they got contaminated or something. My Shiitake took off faster than them.

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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21962286 - 07/18/15 08:33 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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my lions mane looks dry and chalky when fully colonized. Id say wait a few days to a week for it to colonize better.

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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21962397 - 07/18/15 08:57 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Quote:
Gr0wer said: my lions mane looks dry and chalky when fully colonized. Id say wait a few days to a week for it to colonize better.


Your first jar looks done to me.
But that second jar...there's really no need to let your LM spawn colonize that far along. IME using it sooner is better. I usually try and use a jar before seeing many small fruits at all...
LM mycelium is really hard to see and faint on grains. Often your jars could be fully colonized before its mycelium growth is even very noticeable.
Spawning LM when completely colonized and well on its way to fruiting mushrooms off the grains like that is only going to slow down the growth in your final substrate. Its going to be hard to break up and once those little mushrooms get mixed into a woody substrate they tend to just hang out and essentially rot. The real growth will come from your grain mycelium.
Its still ok to use, just more work getting it out and like you said its going to move slow.
But LM spawn is much different then oyster spawn and doesn't really need that full of colonization.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
#21962649 - 07/18/15 10:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Yea that second jar is fruiting in my chamber with no lid. That's my first jar of LM and i wanted to see it fruit asap. In the first jar you can see clusters are starting to form tiny fruits, thats a good sign its definitely 100% colonized.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21962748 - 07/18/15 10:53 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Surprised your letting it fruit with just grains. From what I hear is they need wood or some wood sub or they wont do well at all.. Also good to know what to look for when the mane is ready to be transferred. Do you expose your to light? I have all my jars exposed to light and not enclosed in a dark room.
Also what about the spawn to bulk ratios for shiitake, lions mane and maitake?
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21962829 - 07/18/15 11:15 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I never use a dark room for anything. My "incubation room" is just my walk in pantry where the light is on and off throughout the day. For the most part especially with blues its the FAE that starts pinset, that and a temperature drop. The LM must be more light sensitive than oysters as they fruit on the sides of the jars even with the lid still on where there is extremely low FAE. I haven't grown maitake or shiitake and have just started LM so i don't want to give bad advice. I spawn my oysters at around 6% by weight 2 qt jars per 5 gal sub. That gives you much faster colonization and better yield according to commercial production studies i've read. 6% gives me a grain about 1/2-3/4" apart when mixed thoroughly so colonization goes down in less than two weeks.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21966759 - 07/19/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Temp and humidity monitor

One of the bags had had dye spilled on it before it was made.

Some Perlite to keep humidity up as it goes down to 33% in my place when I turn the A/C on even with a humidifier running.
 I may need to put a second tub in there.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21968199 - 07/19/15 11:41 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Put a 2nd tub in and humidity is sitting around 40%
I've never grown anything this big.
What would you recommend doing. I got a cool mist humidifier I can put in the tent or I can mist them.
What would you guys recommend doing?
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21971029 - 07/20/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Get that cool mist in there for sure.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: Gr0wer]
#21975559 - 07/21/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Got done talking to the tree services and some land spacing services in town. They either burn pit the branches or through them in the desert somewhere and burn them after the burn ban is lifted. Out of the wood dump sites I've seen in town and some of these services use its just full on branches.
http://www.amazon.com/Joe-Chipper-CJ601E-Electric-Shredder/dp/B007VX11O8/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1437504629&sr=8-1&keywords=chipper
Looks like a cheap Chinese crap. It can hardly do 1 1/2 inch branches on the reviews.
Looks like my best bet would be wood pellets. I'm heading into town now to look at them. I don't think they are hardwood pellets.
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Found these guys for 5.79 at my local feed store. Not for wood stoves etc. Says keep dry. I would assume they they will crumble apart when hydrated and I'm trying to figure out what kind of wood it is compromised of and the manufacture's site does not state anything about animal bedding.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21975787 - 07/21/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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Those should work fine. 
It's probably a lesser quality wood than whats used for their burning-fuel pellets, but I don't think the Zeolite is anything to worry about. That's probably another reason it says its not designed to use for burning. I think Zeolite might also be used in soil amending in the agriculture industry, so probably no worries about it being bad for edible mushrooms.
Since its meant to be used as an absorbent, it may hold water better than normal sawdust - making it less likely that your filter bags will pool water. And the extra minerals from natural Zeolite could benefit your fruits.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
#21975815 - 07/21/15 02:17 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I called the manufacture directly to ask about the wood types. They are going to give me a call back when the rep comes back in.
I'm going to be moving shiitake and lions mane to these. I want to sterilize but everyone keeps saying pasteurize. My maitake is growing really slow so will be awhile before I can transfer it.
It's composed of hem fir and some kind of pine. hem fir looks like it's also in the pine family
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: vatman]
#21976013 - 07/21/15 03:09 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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I've never tried to grow on any kind of conifer, I've only read about some peoples mixed results with it.
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Re: Oyster and Lions mane project/grow log [Re: poofterFroth]
#21976608 - 07/21/15 05:23 PM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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It's also mixed with pine so probably a streetlight no go. Roger rabbit use to use pin sawdust that was aged for over a year with hardwood chips. This probably has too much anti fungal in the mix.
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