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Do u think i should do a talk on chakras?
    #21686047 - 05/16/15 06:52 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Theres a spirituality group in London every week.

You not gonna find many people who know about chakras as much as i do

Do you think i should offer them a free lecture on chakras at the meeting?


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: desant]
    #21686102 - 05/16/15 07:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

What do you know about chakras that's not the same information from any web search?


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: desant] * 2
    #21687720 - 05/16/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Are you going to talk from a scholarly perspective (e.g., Sir John Woodruff, Mircea Eliade), or a popular New Age context (e.g., Anodea Judith 'Wheels of Light'), or a turn of the last century occult context (i.e., C.W. Leadbeater, Annie Besant, Helena Blavatsky, A.E. Waite), or Ram Dass' description of the chakras as paralleling certain psychological theorist's motivations (my own dissertation work), or your subjective experience? Are you going to speak to Hindu Tantra or to the chakra system of Vajrayana Buddhism (which often combines the upper two and the lower two, leaving 5 main chakras rather than 7)? There is also the Chinese Taoist Yoga which stresses the circulation of energy over the static Hindu emphasis. Also, the Hopi Indians have a 4-chakra system, and of course, there is the Kabbalistic Tree of Life where the spheres can be correlated with the chakras. You have a LOT of potential information and need to know how knowledgeable your audience is and what they might already know versus what knew material you can present.


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21687888 - 05/16/15 06:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yikes!


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: desant]
    #21688192 - 05/16/15 08:02 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sure I guess, as long as u know what u're talking about :shrug:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: desant]
    #21688199 - 05/16/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

hells yes you should


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21689619 - 05/17/15 07:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Are you going to talk from a scholarly perspective (e.g., Sir John Woodruff, Mircea Eliade), or a popular New Age context (e.g., Anodea Judith 'Wheels of Light'), or a turn of the last century occult context (i.e., C.W. Leadbeater, Annie Besant, Helena Blavatsky, A.E. Waite), or Ram Dass' description of the chakras as paralleling certain psychological theorist's motivations (my own dissertation work), or your subjective experience? Are you going to speak to Hindu Tantra or to the chakra system of Vajrayana Buddhism (which often combines the upper two and the lower two, leaving 5 main chakras rather than 7)? There is also the Chinese Taoist Yoga which stresses the circulation of energy over the static Hindu emphasis. Also, the Hopi Indians have a 4-chakra system, and of course, there is the Kabbalistic Tree of Life where the spheres can be correlated with the chakras. You have a LOT of potential information and need to know how knowledgeable your audience is and what they might already know versus what knew material you can present.




Right :strokebeard:

I might touch on some diagrams and chakras descriptions found online and in books but for most part i will tell from my own expereince: seeking Gods Kingdom - mastering first 3 chakras and opening heart chakra AKA Kingdom. After that theres a option to pursue further chakras if you with to ascend :gethigh:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: desant]
    #21690164 - 05/17/15 11:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Our 'subtle body' or suksha sarira, is the astral level of the chakras. People like to correlate them with organs on the physical level (stula sarira). But they have additional levels of influence in Vajrayana after a genuine experience of Unification, and then as the transpersonal energies descend, the centers are transformed and become vehicles of the different Buddha Wisdoms, symbolized by the different meditating Buddha positions.

We are comprised of all of these subtle centers at the subtle level, but our personalities reflect to what extent which centers are dominant. One can often tell who is obsessed with survival, or sex, or social status. These account for the vast majority of human beings whose personalities are mostly 1st, 2nd, and 3rd chakra oriented. There are different admixtures. Sex in the service of the ego (power), using sex to acquire power, for example. Or sex in the service of survival, as a common prostitute.

Then there are the chakra pathologies, the "anal sadistic" type involved with torture and sexual arousal from torture, the same being said of the victim if masochistic to a lesser extent, but this pathology extends to serial torture-murderers for example. Scatalogical elements, urine fetishes, etc. are part of this: shit, decay, death. Manipura chakra power trips are also connected to these perverse lower chakra dynamics. The ruthless billionaires raping the planet for oil and resources are Manipura-dominated entities. In the classic description, the fire-triangle symbolizing this center has 3 swastikas around it and a Ram, symbol of constellation Aries and Ares, god of war. We get the English word Manipu-lation from Mani-pura. Every bully no matter how socially low is dominated by this chakra.

Even Anahata heart-centered individuals can fall prey to pathologies. Too much Compassion without the guidance of Discriminating Mind to balance the Compassion can result in Co-Dependent Personality Disorder. One denies all of one's needs for others, but instead of becoming saintlike, one becomes victim to psychic vampires who drain all of one's energy and resources, and victimize the caring person.

There are pathologies associated with the Throat and Brain Centers as well. Seeking experiences, often associated with the Throat Center, Knowledge, and Communication, can lead to false conclusions which determine behaviors. Gurus who become cult leaders fall into depravity, seducing followers, taking their possessions, encouraging co-dependency to extreme degrees. Or people get swamped in knowledge and merely dabble without focus or depth. They may become dissociated and psychotic, while yet making spiritual proclamations that ring true. But that is the danger that Christians are warned about - the devil appearing as an angel of light, mixing truth with falsehood. Unification experiences are also subject to error and misinterpretation. These also can be psychotically-inflated identification of one's personality with God, or as a lesser but exalted being, Savior, angelic being, or an emissary for superior extra-terrestrial physical beings.

That things go sideways in the Heavenly spheres is perhaps best illustrated by the myth of a Heavenly rebellion of Lucifer with 1/3 of the angelic host, and their subsequent banishment to the nether realms. We see this kind of thing enacted in history with the Jonestown Massacre, and an ostensibly compassionate man who became ego-inflated and overtaken by pathologies associated with the lower centers. Sexual servitude, torture, and genocide was the result. Rajneesh/Osho is a less heinous example, but he availed himself of sexual and financial energies of others. Just because he claimed he didn't ask doesn't mean that he didn't cultivate co-dependency in his followers. If they gave him their belongings, it was because they had become ill in their association with a toxic and parasitic entity.

Be sure to share that it's not all 'sweetness and light' in the psychospiritual domains. :yesnod:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21690706 - 05/17/15 01:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thats interesting Marcos

I havent got time to read and reflect on it all just yet, but i wanted to ask your opinion on sexual perversions.

I ask because i believe dark powers fucked me up when i was an infant and created "room" for my fetish to materialise...

I know one thing: a love of a good woman will straighten this perversion by employing sexual integrity and re aligning my chakras... i believe there must be some kind of ... energy "malfunction"  or blockage in my SECOND naval chakra, but i could be wrong.

But i dont care, when i was little i used to entertain some dirty sexual ideas and put them into practise but now i havent done any of that shit in more than 8 years... but yea, i need healing and sexual meta programming :super:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: desant]
    #21691437 - 05/17/15 05:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know what you're asking, and I don't know what you mean by "dark powers" (other than reminding me of the 1966-71 TV show 'Dark Shadows' :lol:), but for a person to develop spiritually, Yesod (the Moon, sexuality in Kabbalah) needs to be wed to Tiphereth (the Sun, Beauty/Harmony) or it develops along compulsive, fetishistic and often pathological ways.


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21693232 - 05/18/15 01:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Videotape it and let me watch :smile:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: glimpee]
    #21693256 - 05/18/15 01:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Videotape it and let me watch :smile:






:realawe:





On the real though I never learned so much about chakras in such few paragraphs lol! Even after reading my Chakra Bible; there's just so many different POV's to ponder about this topic. Very interesting, I agree as long as you take into account all the different perspectives you should definitely enlighten some people to their energy center points.  :voila:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: Budsbunni]
    #21694254 - 05/18/15 11:51 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was in London for the last year and began practicing Kundalini yoga soon after arriving. This piqued my curiosity with spirituality groups in a similar vein.

As a word of advice - If you are going to give a lecture, you best be sure to know what you're speaking on and be capable of answering any questions from the audience. I became friends with some quite well read/practiced sikhs and hare krishnas who were not afraid of imploring the lector.

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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: Soul-Shine]
    #21694415 - 05/18/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

As someone who knows very little about chakra but wants to find out more - ill just list some thing that I at least think would be helpful

- Where is chakra? How does it flow and what is it
- How does it feel?
- How do you find it?
- How do you strengthen it
- How do you extend it past your self


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: glimpee]
    #21694603 - 05/18/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Go to page 43 and begin reading Handbook to Higher Consciousness by Ken Keyes. This is a basic overview for those unfamiliar with the Hindu 7-chakra model.

http://www.scribd.com/doc/17658844/Handbook-to-Higher-Consciousness-Ken-Keyes-Jr#scribd


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: Soul-Shine]
    #21694638 - 05/18/15 01:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I was in London for the last year and began practicing Kundalini yoga soon after arriving. This piqued my curiosity with spirituality groups in a similar vein.

As a word of advice - If you are going to give a lecture, you best be sure to know what you're speaking on and be capable of answering any questions from the audience. I became friends with some quite well read/practiced sikhs and hare krishnas who were not afraid of imploring the lector.

:peace:




This is how I became acquainted with Kundalini Yoga - the documentary of Woodstock that cam out around 1970. I later practiced with the 3HO people in Princeton, NJ.


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21706914 - 05/21/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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for a person to develop spiritually





To do that one must work with first 3 chakras


To develop yourself sexually you must work with 2nd navan chakra


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: desant]
    #21707544 - 05/21/15 07:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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for a person to develop spiritually





To do that one must work with first 3 chakras


To develop yourself sexually you must work with 2nd navan chakra





:dudewtf:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: MarkostheGnostic]
    #21707714 - 05/21/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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desant said:
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for a person to develop spiritually





To do that one must work with first 3 chakras


To develop yourself sexually you must work with 2nd navan chakra





:dudewtf:




He can't even spell naval right :canthelpbutlaugh:


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Re: Do u think i should do a talk on chakras? [Re: Khancious]
    #21716174 - 05/24/15 12:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Second Chakra is the sex area. Navel is third chakra.


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