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PNW_Vibes
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Noobie Question - What is the Difference?
#21685812 - 05/16/15 03:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I'm a bit curious... the only thing I've ever taken that is considered "psychedelic" is shrooms but I'm wondering what is the difference in the psychedelic effects when it comes to other psychedelics like LSD and DMT? What can I expect from using something other then shrooms? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it because me and my friend are thinking about moving forward into something a bit more. I also heard that other psychedelics don't give you that come up anxiety but I might be wrong.
So any sort of info would be great so that way I'll feel comfortable to continue my space voyage into the unknown.
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Re: Noobie Question - What is the Difference? [Re: PNW_Vibes]
#21685878 - 05/16/15 04:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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PNW_Vibes said: So I'm a bit curious... the only thing I've ever taken that is considered "psychedelic" is shrooms but I'm wondering what is the difference in the psychedelic effects when it comes to other psychedelics like LSD and DMT? What can I expect from using something other then shrooms? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it because me and my friend are thinking about moving forward into something a bit more. I also heard that other psychedelics don't give you that come up anxiety but I might be wrong.
So any sort of info would be great so that way I'll feel comfortable to continue my space voyage into the unknown. 
The squatch is what my girl calls ugly vaginas. You could read a bunch of trip reports to get a feel for the other psychedelics.
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Re: Noobie Question - What is the Difference? [Re: PNW_Vibes]
#21685882 - 05/16/15 04:10 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: Noobie Question - What is the Difference? [Re: DustJuice]
#21686516 - 05/16/15 10:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Shrooms for me are quite tribally and ancient, and naturey.
LSD is more futuristic and bright, and pure euphoric bliss, feeling music and such things.
I think it's all entirely subjective though :/
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Re: Noobie Question - What is the Difference? [Re: Trypto-Fan]
#21686929 - 05/16/15 12:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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So I'm a bit curious... the only thing I've ever taken that is considered "psychedelic" is shrooms but I'm wondering what is the difference in the psychedelic effects when it comes to other psychedelics like LSD and DMT? What can I expect from using something other then shrooms? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it because me and my friend are thinking about moving forward into something a bit more. I also heard that other psychedelics don't give you that come up anxiety but I might be wrong.
So any sort of info would be great so that way I'll feel comfortable to continue my space voyage into the unknown. 
Well they all seem very similar on the surface but should be divided into two different groups in my opinion.
For me LSD is very much like LSA and rather like mescaline too at least in contrast to mushrooms and DMT. They (LSD etc) all seem to have more emphasis on flowery external rainbow visuals, and as much focus outwards -or perhaps more- as they do inwards. LSD makes me fascinated with this world whereas with shrooms and DMT I am sucked into another.
The only time DMT becomes significant externally is when out starts to fold inwards and open eye visuals become closed eye visuals. Other than that DMT is not all that interesting unless you take enough to enter the alien and spirit realms. LSD in contrast is fascinating inwards and outwards but not nearly as deep inwards. For me LSD is like experiencing everything you always do experience but from a shockingly different perspective, whereas DMT is like exploring or visiting a whole new world or alien dimension.
With LSD After the come up and peak lying down and staring inwards gets old after a while and its better to find things to do. LSD is much more like an actual drug too where you might find yourself tweaking around your house rearranging furniture or lost inside television shows for all eternity but I've never had this really happen with mushrooms or DMT.
Once you've broken through on DMT chances are you will be able to do so with mushrooms as well but I think you'd need a massive dose of shrooms to do this having never broken through on DMT before. I'm almost certain a high dose of mushrooms would take me to hyperspace.
For me DMT and mushrooms are basically family whereas DMT and LSD are distant cousins with some similarities. DMT at high (oral) or moderate doses (smoked) is actually very similar to LSD but by that point it becomes rather irrelevant! You feel as if you've just drank a pint of acid, but at the same time there's the aliens and machines ripping you to pieces to focus on which I dont think any amount of LSD really ever could show you.
A huge dose of LSA (30+ potent HBWR seeds) in contrast to DMT's hyperspace was more like brain breaking insanity. An overwhelming sensory overload and mental overdose, with far too much confusion and skull fuckery to make any meaningful sense of what was happening.
This is why I find all the tales of thumbprints with LSD to be a touch unbelievable or absurd as a viable proposition, as I have a strong expectation that after a certain point with LSD, just as I found with a frankly stupid dose of LSA (but still a fraction of a thumbprint for god's sake) you'd merely be frying and frazzling your brain to mush with a sensory artillery barrage. After a certain point it's like music turned up to a deafening volume, too much to the point of actual pain and distress. People often seem to think that taking more will teach and show them more when actually the opposite is true and just as with everything, taking too much of anything will be dangerous or at the very least unpleasant.
Despite it being far more intense I never spend too much time warning people about stupid doses of DMT however because DMT in contrast to things like LSD seems to leave one part of the mind sane and intact, letting you observe the insanity rather than making you yourself insane. Take enough LSD or LSA and I'm a mad man, often deeply confused at times, spending hours looking for things and then forgetting what I was supposed to be doing and why! Its just sheer madness at times!
I think for this reason and a few others DMT is psychologically much safer than LSD. That said I think mushrooms too have the potential to be every bit as psychotic and ego diminishing as LSD does and this for me is one similarity they both share in contrast to the paradoxically saner/safer DMT.
I've had times on mushrooms where I felt almost as if aliens were close to having control over my behaviour and while that was basically true With DMT I was so far into their world by that point I had no power to control myself in this one even had I wanted to anyway. Psychedelics are undoubtedly much safer when you cannot move as you yourself are always the biggest number one danger when doing them.
In conclusion without the psychotic skull fuckery of a high dose of shrooms or LSD, with DMT you will get to safely explore the outer limitations of the psychedelic experience. You've no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes my friend and I doubt something like LSD could show you.
In many other ways though it lacks aspects that LSD and mushrooms might share or diverge upon but if you want a much safe, saner way to go further than you ever could possibly have imagined possible then DMT is the way to go.
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Edited by wolf8312 (05/16/15 01:04 PM)
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Re: Noobie Question - What is the Difference? [Re: wolf8312]
#21881163 - 07/01/15 01:12 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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wolf8312 said:
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So I'm a bit curious... the only thing I've ever taken that is considered "psychedelic" is shrooms but I'm wondering what is the difference in the psychedelic effects when it comes to other psychedelics like LSD and DMT? What can I expect from using something other then shrooms? I'm just trying to wrap my mind around it because me and my friend are thinking about moving forward into something a bit more. I also heard that other psychedelics don't give you that come up anxiety but I might be wrong.
So any sort of info would be great so that way I'll feel comfortable to continue my space voyage into the unknown. 
Well they all seem very similar on the surface but should be divided into two different groups in my opinion.
For me LSD is very much like LSA and rather like mescaline too at least in contrast to mushrooms and DMT. They (LSD etc) all seem to have more emphasis on flowery external rainbow visuals, and as much focus outwards -or perhaps more- as they do inwards. LSD makes me fascinated with this world whereas with shrooms and DMT I am sucked into another.
The only time DMT becomes significant externally is when out starts to fold inwards and open eye visuals become closed eye visuals. Other than that DMT is not all that interesting unless you take enough to enter the alien and spirit realms. LSD in contrast is fascinating inwards and outwards but not nearly as deep inwards. For me LSD is like experiencing everything you always do experience but from a shockingly different perspective, whereas DMT is like exploring or visiting a whole new world or alien dimension.
With LSD After the come up and peak lying down and staring inwards gets old after a while and its better to find things to do. LSD is much more like an actual drug too where you might find yourself tweaking around your house rearranging furniture or lost inside television shows for all eternity but I've never had this really happen with mushrooms or DMT.
Once you've broken through on DMT chances are you will be able to do so with mushrooms as well but I think you'd need a massive dose of shrooms to do this having never broken through on DMT before. I'm almost certain a high dose of mushrooms would take me to hyperspace.
For me DMT and mushrooms are basically family whereas DMT and LSD are distant cousins with some similarities. DMT at high (oral) or moderate doses (smoked) is actually very similar to LSD but by that point it becomes rather irrelevant! You feel as if you've just drank a pint of acid, but at the same time there's the aliens and machines ripping you to pieces to focus on which I dont think any amount of LSD really ever could show you.
A huge dose of LSA (30+ potent HBWR seeds) in contrast to DMT's hyperspace was more like brain breaking insanity. An overwhelming sensory overload and mental overdose, with far too much confusion and skull fuckery to make any meaningful sense of what was happening.
This is why I find all the tales of thumbprints with LSD to be a touch unbelievable or absurd as a viable proposition, as I have a strong expectation that after a certain point with LSD, just as I found with a frankly stupid dose of LSA (but still a fraction of a thumbprint for god's sake) you'd merely be frying and frazzling your brain to mush with a sensory artillery barrage. After a certain point it's like music turned up to a deafening volume, too much to the point of actual pain and distress. People often seem to think that taking more will teach and show them more when actually the opposite is true and just as with everything, taking too much of anything will be dangerous or at the very least unpleasant.
Despite it being far more intense I never spend too much time warning people about stupid doses of DMT however because DMT in contrast to things like LSD seems to leave one part of the mind sane and intact, letting you observe the insanity rather than making you yourself insane. Take enough LSD or LSA and I'm a mad man, often deeply confused at times, spending hours looking for things and then forgetting what I was supposed to be doing and why! Its just sheer madness at times!
I think for this reason and a few others DMT is psychologically much safer than LSD. That said I think mushrooms too have the potential to be every bit as psychotic and ego diminishing as LSD does and this for me is one similarity they both share in contrast to the paradoxically saner/safer DMT.
I've had times on mushrooms where I felt almost as if aliens were close to having control over my behaviour and while that was basically true With DMT I was so far into their world by that point I had no power to control myself in this one even had I wanted to anyway. Psychedelics are undoubtedly much safer when you cannot move as you yourself are always the biggest number one danger when doing them.
In conclusion without the psychotic skull fuckery of a high dose of shrooms or LSD, with DMT you will get to safely explore the outer limitations of the psychedelic experience. You've no idea how deep the rabbit hole goes my friend and I doubt something like LSD could show you.
In many other ways though it lacks aspects that LSD and mushrooms might share or diverge upon but if you want a much safe, saner way to go further than you ever could possibly have imagined possible then DMT is the way to go.
Apologies for the late response, been quite busy as of late but I must thank you for your detailed reply. Gives me a better idea to know what I'll be dealing with in the hopefully near future.
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Re: Noobie Question - What is the Difference? [Re: PNW_Vibes]
#21881887 - 07/01/15 07:39 AM (8 years, 6 months ago) |
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There is a range of psychedelic effects that you can expect to experience with any psychedelic provided the right mindset, environment and dose.
We mete the units of psychedelic alteration of perception into five logical categories in order of intensity.
Here are those categories. http://www.shroomery.org/6255/Trip-Reports
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Level 1 This level produces a mild "stoning" effect, with some visual enhancement (i.e. brighter colours, etcetera). Some short term memory anomalies. Left/right brain communication changes causing music to sound "wider".
Level 2 Bright colors, and visuals (i.e. things start to move and breathe), some 2 dimensional patterns become apparent upon shutting eyes. Confused or reminiscent thoughts. Change of short term memory leads to continual distractive thought patterns. Vast increase in creativity becomes apparent as the natural brain filter is bypassed.
Level 3 Very obvious visuals, everything looking curved and/or warped patterns and kaleidoscopes seen on walls, faces etc. Some mild hallucinations such as rivers flowing in wood grained or "mother of pearl" surfaces. Closed eye hallucinations become 3 dimensional. There is some confusion of the senses (i.e. seeing sounds as colors, etcetera). Time distortions and "moments of eternity".
Level 4 Strong hallucinations, i.e. objects morphing into other objects. Destruction or multiple splitting of the ego. (Things start talking to you, or you find that you are feeling contradictory things simultaneously). Some loss of reality. Time becomes meaningless. Out of body experiences and e.s.p. type phenomena. Blending of the senses.
Level 5 Total loss of visual connection with reality. The senses cease to function in the normal way. Total loss of ego. Merging with space, other objects, or the universe. The loss of reality becomes so severe that it defies explanation. The earlier levels are relatively easy to explain in terms of measureable changes in perception and thought patterns. This level is different in that the actual universe within which things are normally perceived, ceases to exist! Satori enlightenment (and other such labels).
So that's something to integrate. Pretty good knowledge to have if you're experiencing an uncomfortable trip. Being able to orient yourself in some way is useful in the first four levels.
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