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Reducing amount of spawn in tubs
#21683223 - 05/15/15 01:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've always used 5qts of spawn in my tubs and want to start reducing that number a little. I went down to 4qts in one of my tubs and it colonized just as quickly as the others with 5qts. My question is, will I see a reduction in flush size and or amount of flushes by doing this? What my goal is, I'd like to use 2 of the 10 colonized jars as masters to be stored in the fridge instead of running another pc cycle to just g2g some masters. Just looking to save myself some time here
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Saving time is not a good habit to have in mycology. By using less spawn, you slow down the colonization times, and by doing so increase the likelihood for contamination. Also lower spawn ratios will cause the mycelium to use more energy to fully colonize, where higher ratios leave more energy for the final fruiting stage. Stick with what works, I use 7 quarts of spawn to 11 quarts of substrate for my tubs, works perfect.
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: Delection]
#21683268 - 05/15/15 02:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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If you're on manure it won't really matter. Coir needs more nutrients from spawn. Whereas manure can seem to get by with less spawn and still output a good yield. I've done as low as a 1:12 ratio on manure and you can see how it did on my sig. Seriously though dropping spawn ratios will work. Less mutants on mutant strains and bigger more full fruits imo too.
Do a minimum 1:4 ratio on PE with a late 1/4 inch casing and you'll see AMAZING cocks
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: Mad Season]
#21683294 - 05/15/15 02:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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With 5qts of spawn my ratio is 1:2 so by reducing the spawn by 1qt it's not even a 1:3 ratio.
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I have used 6, 5, and now 4 qts. Still colonize in a week or less. The flushes all look the same to me. I rarely let things go past 2 flushes because of the rotation I have, and it keeps things cleaner for me,so I can't help you there... I'm sticking with 4 for now. Works great for me.
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: fishy1]
#21683353 - 05/15/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The tub I used 4qts in is fully colonized, took 7 or 8 days so that I'm happy with. I usually go 3 flushes and rotate because 3rd flushes are fairly decent. Usually at minimum an ounce up to 2 ounces and then I toss em. If I lose that 3rd flush then I'll just stick to the 5qts of spawn
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: fishy1]
#21683364 - 05/15/15 02:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've always read that more spawn meant a higher yield. I just knocked up some jars a few days prior for the next monotub grow. Gonna be using an additional grain jar, so six total up from five last time. Also, the jars are filled up a little more as well. After everything is mixed I'm still going to have a 4" substrate depth and I am expecting better performance and yields, but I've yet to get enough grows under my belt to really give good input here. All I can do is let you know how it turns out for me. If I had to assume though, the answer to both your questions would be yes. I myself am a little interested in what answers you get here because I've also thought about doing some G2G to save time as well, it's a great idea. However, I just had some agar plates arrive in the mail and I'm super anxious to use those. If I had any advice to give, I would say get some good cultures on agar and use those to inoculate your grains. It would still save time and you have less risk of contamination with the added benefit of picking the genetics you want to have.
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: cr1s1s]
#21683397 - 05/15/15 02:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Cool, I'll have to try agar and g2g someday
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: cr1s1s]
#21683404 - 05/15/15 02:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's not really dependant on ratios. It's how well mixed in terms of colonization times and what not. A well mixed 1:6 ratio will vastly out perform a 1:3 badly mixed.
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: Mad Season]
#21683445 - 05/15/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've noticed I get bigger first flushes with higher spawn ratio. I like using 6 or 7 qts. Ever try spawn bags?
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: Stromrider]
#21683459 - 05/15/15 02:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Never tried bags
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Get a bigger/another PC lol. Enough spawn and you save space b/c it'll pump out more. Lb tubs aren't uncommon with like 10 qts of spawn
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: Bugler Boy]
#21683544 - 05/15/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Lol, I've actually been pondering another pc
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maybe its a sign
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: drfunk]
#21685739 - 05/16/15 02:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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PinPornProducer, you've REALLY got to get into agar buddy. You won't regret it. What is better than near guaranteed clean inoculant, and enough of it to make unlimited spawn?
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21686478 - 05/16/15 10:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I use agar lol
   And g2g, got plenty of masters in the fridge
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Cool, I'll have to try agar and g2g someday
That statement had me all confused then. 
Clearly you do agar.
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21687180 - 05/16/15 02:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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IMO you are totally fine to lower your ratio...even though some say it reduces yield i'll call bullshit, it may lower the total yield per tub but if you had 10 spawn jars i'd say you would get more spawning it to 40 qt's of bulk then to 20......the difference in colonizing times between 1:2 and 1:4 is a simple couple of days at best
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: cronicr]
#21687196 - 05/16/15 02:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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cronicr said: IMO you are totally fine to lower your ratio...even though some say it reduces yield i'll call bullshit, it may lower the total yield per tub but if you had 10 spawn jars i'd say you would get more spawning it to 40 qt's of bulk then to 20......the difference in colonizing times between 1:2 and 1:4 is a simple couple of days at best
Agreed.
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Re: Reducing amount of spawn in tubs [Re: TheEaglesGift]
#21687237 - 05/16/15 02:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Quote:
TheEaglesGift said:
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Cool, I'll have to try agar and g2g someday
That statement had me all confused then. 
Clearly you do agar. 
Yea I was being a smart ass lol
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