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The Denial of The Native American Genocide
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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interesting.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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and alcoholism, don't forget alcoholism.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: The Doobie Dude]
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: theRAPeutic]
#21681295 - 05/14/15 11:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Now let's talk about the good stuff.... like how white folk would have died without their knowledge
communal living in communion with the land
acceptance and adoration for androgynous humans
a hierarchy not based on wealth
Real spirituality and real spiritual guides
anyone wanna join on this wagon cuz that's where it's going.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael] 1
#21681299 - 05/14/15 11:39 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It is sad that so many Native American tribes committed genocide on one another. They alway deny it like only white people can be mass murderers of 'others'.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: theRAPeutic]
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theRAPeutic said: smallpox infected blankets
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Supachopped719]
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Hey we're all human, and the way we got that way by being nature's premier murder machines. It certainly doesn't justify what we did to them. As the old saying goes: two wrongs don't make a right.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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Native Americans got fucked over pretty hard, and have suffered many crimes against humanity, but I still have a difficult time believing it was deliberate genocide...maybe I'm in denial, but I contribute it more to incompetence and disease rather than an actual planned policy of genocide.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos] 3
#21681422 - 05/15/15 12:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I hear the rape rate on the rez is high as fuck.
Also, they never utilized the wheel.
Also, a 'warrior culture' that got their asses handed to them from one side of the continent alll the way to the other ocean.
Speaks volumes.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: SoupSandwich]
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Just curious, do you guys learn about your history with the natives in school?
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#21681466 - 05/15/15 01:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I don't have a history with the natives, so no.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21681473 - 05/15/15 01:08 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Circumscise your human needs. without your shamans to guide you. Add alcohol.
Warrior culture?
http://theunitedstatesconstitution.blogspot.com/2006/12/native-american-source-for-declaration.html
"All well and good. Certainly ancient Greece and Rome, medieval England, and the minds of Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, and others were vital contributions to the ideas of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. But one source, hiding in plain sight, so to speak, is frequently overlooked. This is the contribution of native Americans, particularly the Iroquois, to the mix. The Iroquois constitution, called the Great Law of Peace, or Gayanashagowa, contains many echoes of our Constitution, and in a number of respects, is more advanced in thought than the Constitution that resulted from the Convention of 1787."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayanashagowa ^^so gay^^
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: SoupSandwich]
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#21681476 - 05/15/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yea those dudes were hunted like animals back then. They weren't saints either but atleast they kept it relatively balanced. The fucken Europeans went all schizo, raped the land straight up.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: nuds]
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Thanks!
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
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edos said: Native Americans got fucked over pretty hard, and have suffered many crimes against humanity, but I still have a difficult time believing it was deliberate genocide...maybe I'm in denial, but I contribute it more to incompetence and disease rather than an actual planned policy of genocide.
So your family never told you about the times of free fire? When it was kill on sight? Your family never explained too you how the government is still rapeing Mohawk land? Your family never told you about the genocide provided at the hands of the catholic church towards babies, the mass graves? Google that shit, and people wonder why I am the way I am..
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael] 3
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They got a pretty shitty deal
But on the bright side, at least the non-natives came and built one helluva society/culture. I don't care how much you idealize their way of life. They'd still be living like cavemen if someone didn't come along.
Don't hear too many natives bitching in the nice areas of the country. It all seems a lot crappier on the rez.
I could imagine it from their perspective. What if aliens came and invaded earth, and in the process killed 90% of humans. But the ones that survived got to live in a world with intergalactic travel, and all that other shit from Star Trek. All diseases are cured. No more war. Such a huge leap forward. Would I want my ancestors who survived to group together in old pre-invasion dwellings, relying on alien handouts and doing super sweet alien dope? Or would I want them to just embrace the change and continue to thrive and adapt like humans were meant to do?
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: nuds]
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We celebrate the generosity of the natives every year. We call it the day before black friday.
we talk about all the shit we're going to buy while stuffing our faces.
which reminds me of stuffing... so good.
Oh! Ben Franklin wanted the national bird to be the turkey. So say the marketing guys...
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Hippocampus said: They got a pretty shitty deal
But on the bright side, at least the non-natives came and built one helluva society/culture. I don't care how much you idealize their way of life. They'd still be living like cavemen if someone didn't come along.
Don't hear too many natives bitching in the nice areas of the country. It all seems a lot crappier on the rez.
I could imagine it from their perspective. What if aliens came and invaded earth, and in the process killed 90% of humans. But the ones that survived got to live in a world with intergalactic travel, and all that other shit from Star Trek. All diseases are cured. No more war. Such a huge leap forward. Would I want my ancestors who survived to group together in old pre-invasion dwellings, relying on alien handouts and doing super sweet alien dope? Or would I want them to just embrace the change and continue to thrive and adapt like humans were meant to do?
That's because you dont "hear" too many natives. Caveman? Where the fuck did you go to school?
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#21681497 - 05/15/15 01:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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edos said: Native Americans got fucked over pretty hard, and have suffered many crimes against humanity, but I still have a difficult time believing it was deliberate genocide...maybe I'm in denial, but I contribute it more to incompetence and disease rather than an actual planned policy of genocide.
So your family never told you about the times of free fire? When it was kill on sight? Your family never explained too you how the government is still rapeing Mohawk land? Your family never told you about the genocide provided at the hands of the catholic church towards babies, the mass graves? Google that shit, and people wonder why I am the way I am..
I'll take the answer to my question as no. The Aboriginals in Australia were heavily fucked over similarly. It was nothing new for a settler to wipe out entire tribes on his land (with the help of the mounted police) for the crime of spearing a few cattle... on sacred land. The darker sides of the stolen generation years (1870's-1970's) still aren't taught in school. Things like child rape, murdering of infants.. hunting them like game.
Seems to be a recurring theme of native populations being decimated wherever the white man settled. It's a damn shame.
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#21681499 - 05/15/15 01:21 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Everywhere that Western Culture built their empire, childhood diseases dropped, infant mortality dropped, life expectancy skyrocketed and crime dropped.
Pretty much everywhere they drpped anchor, has improved significantly.
Some of you guys are so 1990's. Eww, look at me being edgy, all about the NA Genocide! Hahahah.
And when we leave, what happens then? The 'noble' savages go right back to slaughtering each other.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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Hahaha, cavemen!
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Here's a pretty cool documentary on natives Americans That i was watching last night.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: SoupSandwich]
#21681506 - 05/15/15 01:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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You are believing a dream. You could use some education.. "white devil"
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#21681513 - 05/15/15 01:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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And employment's always on the rise and the market's always growing, always more job growth...
boy, i think im quoting 1984... how edgy
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#21681516 - 05/15/15 01:30 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: zZZz]
#21681517 - 05/15/15 01:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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On my phone so I can't watch it. What's the name of it? I'll check it out
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Isn't it? That's some shit you wouldnt know about.
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Amanita86 said: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican69.htm ..don't you tell me about my buisness..
So you believe this article to be a factual account? What about the part about how Queen Elizabeth may possibly have murdered them personally? Sounds like something out of a David Icke video.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: SoupSandwich]
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The record is there silver hair, its just that you long pigs are self justified, you're worthy of execution by your own rules. The world is not a better place with 'you' here....fact!
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: psi]
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Amanita86 said: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican69.htm ..don't you tell me about my buisness..
So you believe this article to be a factual account? What about the part about how Queen Elizabeth may possibly have murdered them personally? Sounds like something out of a David Icke video.
The graves have been exhumed.
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Amanita86 said: http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican69.htm ..don't you tell me about my buisness..
So you believe this article to be a factual account? What about the part about how Queen Elizabeth may possibly have murdered them personally? Sounds like something out of a David Icke video.
Have you overlooked my avatar? Do you not know what is still going on today? Has your chicken nugget philosophy made you that blind? Everything suffers now...it wasnt always this way.. and then long pig showed up..
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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Easy on the white devil stuff. We're not all bad, just misguided
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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Im a friend too whoever has ears that hear and a mind that works..
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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Ok, but what I was trying to get at was what the hell is up with that Queen Elizabeth stuff? Do you believe the article was written by a sane person?
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The discovery of the mass graves of Mohawk children, uncovered by ground-penetrating radar at the Mohawk Institute comes on the heels of videotaped evidence by eyewitness William Coombes, who in October 1964 witnessed Elizabeth Windsor, as Head of State of Canada and Head of the Church of England, visit an aboriginal school in Kamloops, British Columbia, choose 10 young aboriginal children, made them kiss her feet, and allegedly took them from the school for a picnic at a lake.
The 10 aboriginal children were never seen again. Mr. Coombes, who was to give evidence at the Tribunal for Crimes of Church and States of Elizabeth Windsor’s child genocide, was murdered in February 2011.
Fortunately, Mr. Coombes’ testimony was videotaped before his death and is available for the Tribunal.
Rev. Kevin Annett states that instruments of torture such as a rack for torturing the Mohawk children in ritual torture have been found at the now closed Mohawk Institute. Eyewitnesses from the Mohawk community have stated they witnessed priests in red robes torturing children in ritual torture.
Rev. Annett made these revelations in an exclusive October 7, 2011 interview with Alfred Lambremont Webre.
In the interview, Rev. Annett acknowledges the close parallels between the October 1964 personal child genocide and possible ritual killings of 10 aboriginal children by Elizabeth Windsor, Head of State of Canada and Head of the Church of England, and the child genocides occurring during the same period at the Mohawk Institute.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: psi]
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I can't find how that's not a fact, the bodies are there.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: zZZz]
#21681565 - 05/15/15 02:00 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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zZZz said: Here's a pretty cool documentary on natives Americans That i was watching last night.
This version: uploader has not made this video available in your country. Why they do that?
This one works in the UK. Saved for later.
I read that there is a tribe that wants the use of the term "redskins" (some sport or other) to be banned due to the historic connotations. Apparently there was a bounty put on Indians and turning in scalps was the proof of the deed. I'm guessing that some bounty hunters weren't averse to taking the scalps of children.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: deucedbi9]
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Yeah, it's an american football team in D.C. They should be called 'The Red Coats' imo
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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MichAnon.ael said: Yeah, it's an american football team in D.C. They should be called 'The Red Coats' imo
Because all the scalp taking left their coats red with the blood of their victims?
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They were all fair game, it was the same as free fire in vietnam, kill on site. Children were stolen.. its all well documented.
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no, my family has never told me about all of the times they hunted and killed Native Americans
I also don't fall into the habit of feeling guilty for something I have never engaged in before. If I'm going to take credit for all of the evil shit my ancestors did, I should also take credit for all of the positive things they did (like ending slavery), which is equally silly, because I had no part of it. Its another form of tribalism that I despise, and I wish our species would grow the fuck out of it.
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I believe it was the french who origionally started cutting off the scalps of the people with attractive hair, it was considered disrespectful too die in that fashion in so far as we were concerned, so we cut them back. Red coat to me means British, redskin is associated with a bounty.. it was free fire. And as sad as it is too say it still is.. thank you for your "reservation", you're so kind.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
#21681618 - 05/15/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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It's nice they ended it, it's sad they started it..
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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90% of all native americans were wiped out by disease during the beginning times of colonization before many natives could form an immunity. Many times did europeans barge into land and try and take things by force. It didn't always work out.
Also claiming that it was settlers vs natives is a very wrong answer. It was never all out war between races. Many tribes chose to aid and help the US during every single fucking war the US has taken part of. The tribe I come from was an ally of the US to the fucking end. And the US decided to throw them off their land and move them west.
And also calling native american tribes "cavemen" is also very wrong. During the time of colonization, North america had trade routes across the whole continent. They had the most advanced form of flintknapping of nearly any civilization. And the aztecs and Incas were getting very good at forging metals. Plus the tribal governments were very established, and would always help another in need within their own tribe. Many natives wondered why europeans would allow their poorer friends to starve while they had plenty of food.
Native american genocide is so overlooked by school and most teachers. They talk about the slightest things and never mention the gory details.
And yes native americans fought each other, so did every other civilization. There was almost never a full on war between tribes that would wipe each other out. Plus many tribes obeyed the law not to kill women and children.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681633 - 05/15/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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The slave trade was well established within Africa, heavily dominated by Muslims long before Europeans ever showed up. Believing Europeans began the slave trade is completely inaccurate.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
#21681635 - 05/15/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Did your people go french or british?
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
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edos said: The slave trade was well established within Africa, heavily dominated by Muslims long before Europeans ever showed up. Believing Europeans began the slave trade is completely inaccurate.
Well they sure didnt help stop it, untill brothers shot brothers..I know the stories, Ive picked up their pieces.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
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edos said: The slave trade was well established within Africa, heavily ran by Muslims long before Europeans ever showed up. Believing Europeans began the slave trade is completely inaccurate.
The slave trade was started in africa, but the thing is it wasn't institutionalized like what the europeans turned it into. The europeans decided to enslave an entire race and export 10s of thousands across the ocean.
Muslim slave trading was usually based on people selling their children or occasionally people being abducted. It was bad but no where near the level that the europeans set. People in africa would usually sell war slaves to the muslims as well. It was slave trade(which is bad) but it wasn't racial subjugation.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681640 - 05/15/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Amanita86 said: Did your people go french or british?
I guess that gives away my east coast decent, if youre west coast I suppose the deck changes.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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I guess that gives away my east coast decent, if youre west coast I suppose the deck changes.
My people came from the south east, so they did participate in the french and indian war actually.
The war actually caused a mini civil war in the tribe. The west allied with the french, while the east allied with the british. After the fights though, the tribe decided to form a stronger bond instead of being more to themselves. They did support the french in the end, until the french just abandoned all fronts. Then they began trading with the british afterwards and with no hostilities.
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eh...Europeans were sort of the ones that first banned the importation of slaves...and eventually fought a horrible war that ended it. Again, I'm not taking credit for ending slavery, I'm just saying if you are going to take credit for all of the bad shit your ancestors do, you should take credit for the good things as well, but its silly because none of us had any part of it. You are addicted to white guilt and tribalism; hopefully you can grow out of it one day. Good night.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
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Word, see Im northeast, those few generations back stuck with the limers (brits).. I suppose if we were on a different timeline we might have some squabbles..or pair up and teach yellow hair;).. apparently my folks knew the mountains, I have a slip of paper noting survaces due signed by Washington when he was just a young punk..I should send you a theres some shit you might get a kick out of that I dont want too broadcast on this thread..Id like too hear your stories too.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
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edos said: eh...Europeans were sort of the ones that first banned the importation of slaves...and eventually fought a horrible war that ended it. Again, I'm not taking credit for ending slavery, I'm just saying if you are going to take credit for all of the bad shit your ancestors do, you should take credit for the good things as well, but its silly because none of us had any part of it. You are addicted to white guilt and tribalism; hopefully you can grow out of it one day. Good night.
Im not addicted to anything but liquor, I fully understand, and in no way am I placing judgement on your head for what was done outside of your hands and time.. I dont know you, where you come from, or what you do..
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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edos said: eh...Europeans were sort of the ones that first banned the importation of slaves...and eventually fought a horrible war that ended it. Again, I'm not taking credit for ending slavery, I'm just saying if you are going to take credit for all of the bad shit your ancestors do, you should take credit for the good things as well, but its silly because none of us had any part of it. You are addicted to white guilt and tribalism; hopefully you can grow out of it one day. Good night.
My point was never to push white guilt. I don't blame you whatsoever. Most natives are mixed, including me. I don't know who you are or blame you. If anything I was stating facts that have happened. IMO, the United states government should own up to the atrocities that it caused, and the lives it ruined. It has not paid that debt even close enough in my opinion.
And the thing is, many "tribes" were much more than that. A lot of them might as well been considered nations. They provided help and care within their own tribe, the only reason it's called a tribe now is to keep with the traditions and remind us where we are from.
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Oh yeah definately man, send me a PM, I'd love to hear about these stories But I'm off to bed, It's pretty late.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
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MichAnon.ael said: Circumscise your human needs. without your shamans to guide you. Add alcohol.
Warrior culture?
http://theunitedstatesconstitution.blogspot.com/2006/12/native-american-source-for-declaration.html
"All well and good. Certainly ancient Greece and Rome, medieval England, and the minds of Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, and others were vital contributions to the ideas of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. But one source, hiding in plain sight, so to speak, is frequently overlooked. This is the contribution of native Americans, particularly the Iroquois, to the mix. The Iroquois constitution, called the Great Law of Peace, or Gayanashagowa, contains many echoes of our Constitution, and in a number of respects, is more advanced in thought than the Constitution that resulted from the Convention of 1787."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayanashagowa ^^so gay^^
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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edos said: Native Americans got fucked over pretty hard, and have suffered many crimes against humanity, but I still have a difficult time believing it was deliberate genocide...maybe I'm in denial, but I contribute it more to incompetence and disease rather than an actual planned policy of genocide.
So your family never told you about the times of free fire? When it was kill on sight? Your family never explained too you how the government is still rapeing Mohawk land? Your family never told you about the genocide provided at the hands of the catholic church towards babies, the mass graves? Google that shit, and people wonder why I am the way I am..
Yeah, It's hard to imagine that all of New York City was once Mohawk Land. Many interior tribes joined whatever european army they thought would allow them to keep their land....Some fought for the English...like Joseph Brant (Thayendanegea) Some fought with the French and some joined the Colonists.They all just wanted to be able to keep their own hunting grounds...and they were all pushed aside and betrayed in the end.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
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Amanita86 said: I can't find how that's not a fact, the bodies are there.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: lowbrow]
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"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...
Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: "The denial of the Native American Genocide"...
Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.
Most people deny that th natives were committing genocide for thousands of years before white people showed up.
As if it was brought over seas like the horse and guns. But it was tit for tat. A colliding of worlds, and everybody started killing everybody. If they didn't speak your language or didn't look like you, it was fair game to kill the. No matter what side you were on. They even preached about he virtues of the genocides in church and native ceremonies.
It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.
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Supachopped719 said: Most people deny that th natives were committing genocide for thousands of years before white people showed up.
I've never heard anyone say such a thing.
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Patlal said: "The denial of the Native American Genocide"...
Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.
It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.
Yes. And it's was absolutely everywhere on the planet too.
People were fucking crazy before there was actual consequences to brutally murder people. Hell, the law makers were the ones doing the most brutal murders.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Patlal]
#21699716 - 05/19/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Most of the native americans died from foreign disease that had nothing to do with the intent to infect. They didn't even know about germs when 90% of the natives got wiped out..
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Supachopped719]
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Patlal said: "The denial of the Native American Genocide"...
Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.
It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.
Yes. And it's was absolutely everywhere on the planet too.
People were fucking crazy before there was actual consequences to brutally murder people. Hell, the law makers were the ones doing the most brutal murders.
Actually, a lot of tribes had something called Blood Law. If you don't wanna look at the link, it's pretty much if one person kills another, either they, or someone from their family is required to balance it by being killed. It would usually prevent a family from harbouring a murderer.
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Patlal said: "The denial of the Native American Genocide"...
Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.
Most people deny that th natives were committing genocide for thousands of years before white people showed up.
As if it was brought over seas like the horse and guns. But it was tit for tat. A colliding of worlds, and everybody started killing everybody. If they didn't speak your language or didn't look like you, it was fair game to kill the. No matter what side you were on. They even preached about he virtues of the genocides in church and native ceremonies.
It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.
Genocide didn't truly exist in native america. War did, but not genocide. Many tribes had the law not to kill women or children in war. And even the aztecs and mayans would mostly fight in skirmishes or taking over a city, very rarely killing everybody.
Not to mention genocide is usually the cause of some form of racism, and racism didn't really exist in native america. Because there just wasn't any super large difference in races. Run away slaves would marry easily within tribes, as would many settlers.
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contrary to belief, the native americans lived for hundreds of years on the same land and remained relatively balanced and never harmed the land like when the europeans arrived. they didnt have world wars, or any of that sort of stuff. i mean whatever they did, even if were some of the most heinous acts would still not compare to what the settlers/immigrants did.
they weren't all saints, although some were pretty close, but like they kept it balanced overall, they didn't butcher any animals to extinction just so they could get back at their enemies, they didnt really pollute the earth, but were rather like what pollen is to flowers.
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contrary to belief, the native americans lived for hundreds of years on the same land
They lived hundreds of years? Wow, so they did know the location of the fountain of youth!
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#21702473 - 05/20/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I've never, ever heard it denied once in my life. Quite the opposite, I got personally blamed for it regularly in school and society.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
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The Aztecs killed damn near everybody.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: lowbrow]
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The Aztecs killed damn near everybody.
The aztecs would fight, yes, but wouldn't murder whole cities. They actually did something called Flower warfare, which was having fixed battles with an enemy state to show power and to capture sacrifices.
The other type of warfare they'd do was to capture enemy states and villages. They'd pretty much make that city pay taxes, and then be a part of the empire. They didn't commit large scale genocide. Many of the sacrifices were actually from the aztec people themselves, many of which were fine to give their lives to the gods.
The aztecs would actually keep certain hostilities up and keep another state alive. That way they'd get to have war that was a drive for their society, and a drive for their sacrifices.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Patlal]
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Patlal said: "The denial of the Native American Genocide"...
Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.
Exactly, who exactly is denying anything?
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Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.
Exactly, who exactly is denying anything?
No one is denying it, but IMO, people are always trying to justify it, or just forget it. I've met people who have thought that all native americans were dead... And didn't believe me when I told them I was one.
When I was in highschool, my history class(I was in an advanced class that went quite in depth) spent less than a week on any involvement by the native americans. And it was always just a mention of them. We spent a month on greece, another on rome, and yet another on persia. Yet a complex and integral part of the history where I learned was completely overlooked.
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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
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I've met people who have thought that all native americans were dead... And didn't believe me when I told them I was one.
thats because having 1 distant relative who was only like 1/4 themselves doesnt make you a native american
not saying all native americans are dead, just saying why they didnt believe you
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When the Spanish arrived in Tenochtitlan, the capital of the Aztec empire, it was the largest city in the world at the time. Within a decade, nearly the entire native population was gone and the Spanish used the remains of the native's city to build their own megapolis. That is an epic level of genocide unmatched in human history.
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It wasn't genocide. It was disease from simply coming in contact with a foreign biome they had no protection against. If you die of the flu is it homicide?
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The obliteration of the native population of North America was significant enough to induce a period of global cooling known as the little ice age. the population collapse in the America resulted in rapid reforestation across the entire continent that significantly reduced the atmospheric CO2 levels that only returned to previous levels after white people started deforesting again.
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I've met people who have thought that all native americans were dead... And didn't believe me when I told them I was one.
thats because having 1 distant native who was only like 1/4 themselves doesnt make you a native american
not saying all native americans are dead, just saying why they didnt believe you
They thought they were all dead, or just not around anymore. I was born into a tribe, I have citizenship. I am 1/4 native though. There are almost no more "pure" native americans left. And honestly the way that the US government has set up the tribes is completely meant to get rid of them in the long run. And just because I'm "part" native american by blood, doesn't make me any less native.
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