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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
    #21691215 - 05/17/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I can't find how that's not a fact, the bodies are there.






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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: lowbrow]
    #21691413 - 05/17/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...

Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Patlal]
    #21699144 - 05/19/15 04:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said:
"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...

Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.




Most people deny that th natives were committing genocide for thousands of years before white people showed up.

As if it was brought over seas like the horse and guns. But it was tit for tat. A colliding of worlds, and everybody started killing everybody. If they didn't speak your language or didn't look like you, it was fair game to kill the. No matter what side you were on. They even preached about he virtues of the genocides in church and native ceremonies.

It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Supachopped719] * 1
    #21699199 - 05/19/15 05:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Most people deny that th natives were committing genocide for thousands of years before white people showed up.





I've never heard anyone say such a thing.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Supachopped719] * 1
    #21699436 - 05/19/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said:
"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...

Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.




It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.




Yes. And it's was absolutely everywhere on the planet too.

People were fucking crazy before there was actual consequences to brutally murder people. Hell, the law makers were the ones doing the most brutal murders.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Patlal]
    #21699716 - 05/19/15 07:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Most of the native americans died from foreign disease that had nothing to do with the intent to infect.  They didn't even know about germs when 90% of the natives got wiped out..


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Supachopped719]
    #21700468 - 05/19/15 10:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said:
"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...

Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.




It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.




Yes. And it's was absolutely everywhere on the planet too.

People were fucking crazy before there was actual consequences to brutally murder people. Hell, the law makers were the ones doing the most brutal murders.



Actually, a lot of tribes had something called Blood Law. If you don't wanna look at the link, it's pretty much if one person kills another, either they, or someone from their family is required to balance it by being killed. It would usually prevent a family from harbouring a murderer.
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Patlal said:
"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...

Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.




Most people deny that th natives were committing genocide for thousands of years before white people showed up.

As if it was brought over seas like the horse and guns. But it was tit for tat. A colliding of worlds, and everybody started killing everybody. If they didn't speak your language or didn't look like you, it was fair game to kill the. No matter what side you were on. They even preached about he virtues of the genocides in church and native ceremonies.

It was a bloodbath, people back then were outta control.



Genocide didn't truly exist in native america. War did, but not genocide. Many tribes had the law not to kill women or children in war. And even the aztecs and mayans would mostly fight in skirmishes or taking over a city, very rarely killing everybody.

Not to mention genocide is usually the cause of some form of racism, and racism didn't really exist in native america. Because there just wasn't any super large difference in races. Run away slaves would marry easily within tribes, as would many settlers.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita] * 2
    #21702324 - 05/20/15 12:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

contrary to belief, the native americans lived for hundreds of years on the same land and remained relatively balanced and never harmed the land like when the europeans arrived. they didnt have world wars, or any of that sort of stuff. i mean whatever they did, even if were some of the most heinous acts would still not compare to what the settlers/immigrants did.

they weren't all saints, although some were pretty close, but like they kept it balanced overall, they didn't butcher any animals to extinction just so they could get back at their enemies, they didnt really pollute the earth, but were rather like what pollen is to flowers.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: zZZz] * 1
    #21702362 - 05/20/15 01:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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contrary to belief, the native americans lived for hundreds of years on the same land




They lived hundreds of years?  Wow, so they did know the location of the fountain of youth!


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
    #21702473 - 05/20/15 01:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I've never, ever heard it denied once in my life.  Quite the opposite, I got personally blamed for it regularly in school and society.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
    #21706089 - 05/21/15 11:50 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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And even the aztecs and mayans would mostly fight in skirmishes or taking over a city, very rarely killing everybody.





The Aztecs killed damn near everybody.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: lowbrow]
    #21706439 - 05/21/15 01:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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And even the aztecs and mayans would mostly fight in skirmishes or taking over a city, very rarely killing everybody.





The Aztecs killed damn near everybody.



The aztecs would fight, yes, but wouldn't murder whole cities. They actually did something called Flower warfare, which was having fixed battles with an enemy state to show power and to capture sacrifices.

The other type of warfare they'd do was to capture enemy states and villages. They'd pretty much make that city pay taxes, and then be a part of the empire. They didn't commit large scale genocide. Many of the sacrifices were actually from the aztec people themselves, many of which were fine to give their lives to the gods.

The aztecs would actually keep certain hostilities up and keep another state alive. That way they'd get to have war that was a drive for their society, and a drive for their sacrifices.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Patlal]
    #21706912 - 05/21/15 03:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...

Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.



Exactly, who exactly is denying anything?


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Seriously_trippin]
    #21706946 - 05/21/15 03:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said:
"The denial of the Native American Genocide"...

Yeah, our ancestors killed most and gave them small chunks of land in order to feel less guilty. Nobody is denying anything.



Exactly, who exactly is denying anything?



No one is denying it, but IMO, people are always trying to justify it, or just forget it. I've met people who have thought that all native americans were dead... And didn't believe me when I told them I was one.

When I was in highschool, my history class(I was in an advanced class that went quite in depth) spent less than a week on any involvement by the native americans. And it was always just a mention of them. We spent a month on greece, another on rome, and yet another on persia. Yet a complex and integral part of the history where I learned was completely overlooked.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
    #21706960 - 05/21/15 04:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've met people who have thought that all native americans were dead... And didn't believe me when I told them I was one.




thats because having 1 distant relative who was only like 1/4 themselves doesnt make you a native american

not saying all native americans are dead, just saying why they didnt believe you


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita] * 1
    #21706981 - 05/21/15 04:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

When the Spanish arrived in Tenochtitlan, the capital of the Aztec empire, it was the largest city in the world at the time. Within a decade, nearly the entire native population was gone and the Spanish used the remains of the native's city to build their own megapolis. That is an epic level of genocide unmatched in human history.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: koods]
    #21706997 - 05/21/15 04:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It wasn't genocide.  It was disease from simply coming in contact with a foreign biome they had no protection against.  If you die of the flu is it homicide?


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: koods] * 1
    #21707009 - 05/21/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The obliteration of the native population of North America was significant enough to induce a period of global cooling known as the little ice age.  the population collapse in the America resulted in rapid reforestation across the entire continent that significantly reduced the atmospheric CO2 levels that only returned to previous levels after white people started deforesting again.


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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: koods]
    #21707021 - 05/21/15 04:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Adolin]
    #21707028 - 05/21/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I've met people who have thought that all native americans were dead... And didn't believe me when I told them I was one.




thats because having 1 distant native who was only like 1/4 themselves doesnt make you a native american

not saying all native americans are dead, just saying why they didnt believe you



They thought they were all dead, or just not around anymore. I was born into a tribe, I have citizenship. I am 1/4 native though. There are almost no more "pure" native americans left. And honestly the way that the US government has set up the tribes is completely meant to get rid of them in the long run. And just because I'm "part" native american by blood, doesn't make me any less native.


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