|
MichAnon.ael
Dark Stranger


Registered: 12/15/14
Posts: 892
Last seen: 6 years, 11 months
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: deucedbi9]
#21681584 - 05/15/15 02:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Yeah, it's an american football team in D.C. They should be called 'The Red Coats' imo
|
deucedbi9
Stranger

Registered: 10/24/06
Posts: 4,594
Loc: UK
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#21681595 - 05/15/15 02:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MichAnon.ael said: Yeah, it's an american football team in D.C. They should be called 'The Red Coats' imo
Because all the scalp taking left their coats red with the blood of their victims?
-------------------- whether low pressure sucks or high pressure blows... it's a bugger to cycle in. even though I'm feeling good Something tells me I'd better activate my prayer capsule
Edited by deucedbi9 (05/15/15 02:21 AM)
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: deucedbi9] 1
#21681609 - 05/15/15 02:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
They were all fair game, it was the same as free fire in vietnam, kill on site. Children were stolen.. its all well documented.
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
edos



Registered: 01/01/15
Posts: 105
Last seen: 7 years, 3 days
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86] 1
#21681613 - 05/15/15 02:29 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
no, my family has never told me about all of the times they hunted and killed Native Americans
I also don't fall into the habit of feeling guilty for something I have never engaged in before. If I'm going to take credit for all of the evil shit my ancestors did, I should also take credit for all of the positive things they did (like ending slavery), which is equally silly, because I had no part of it. Its another form of tribalism that I despise, and I wish our species would grow the fuck out of it.
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681617 - 05/15/15 02:32 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
I believe it was the french who origionally started cutting off the scalps of the people with attractive hair, it was considered disrespectful too die in that fashion in so far as we were concerned, so we cut them back. Red coat to me means British, redskin is associated with a bounty.. it was free fire. And as sad as it is too say it still is.. thank you for your "reservation", you're so kind.
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
#21681618 - 05/15/15 02:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
It's nice they ended it, it's sad they started it..
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Achillita
Back to the basics



Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 4,565
Last seen: 3 years, 10 days
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681627 - 05/15/15 02:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
90% of all native americans were wiped out by disease during the beginning times of colonization before many natives could form an immunity. Many times did europeans barge into land and try and take things by force. It didn't always work out.
Also claiming that it was settlers vs natives is a very wrong answer. It was never all out war between races. Many tribes chose to aid and help the US during every single fucking war the US has taken part of. The tribe I come from was an ally of the US to the fucking end. And the US decided to throw them off their land and move them west.
And also calling native american tribes "cavemen" is also very wrong. During the time of colonization, North america had trade routes across the whole continent. They had the most advanced form of flintknapping of nearly any civilization. And the aztecs and Incas were getting very good at forging metals. Plus the tribal governments were very established, and would always help another in need within their own tribe. Many natives wondered why europeans would allow their poorer friends to starve while they had plenty of food.
Native american genocide is so overlooked by school and most teachers. They talk about the slightest things and never mention the gory details.
And yes native americans fought each other, so did every other civilization. There was almost never a full on war between tribes that would wipe each other out. Plus many tribes obeyed the law not to kill women and children.
--------------------
|
edos



Registered: 01/01/15
Posts: 105
Last seen: 7 years, 3 days
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681633 - 05/15/15 02:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
The slave trade was well established within Africa, heavily dominated by Muslims long before Europeans ever showed up. Believing Europeans began the slave trade is completely inaccurate.
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
#21681635 - 05/15/15 02:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Did your people go french or british?
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
#21681637 - 05/15/15 02:45 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
edos said: The slave trade was well established within Africa, heavily dominated by Muslims long before Europeans ever showed up. Believing Europeans began the slave trade is completely inaccurate.
Well they sure didnt help stop it, untill brothers shot brothers..I know the stories, Ive picked up their pieces.
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Achillita
Back to the basics



Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 4,565
Last seen: 3 years, 10 days
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
#21681638 - 05/15/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
edos said: The slave trade was well established within Africa, heavily ran by Muslims long before Europeans ever showed up. Believing Europeans began the slave trade is completely inaccurate.
The slave trade was started in africa, but the thing is it wasn't institutionalized like what the europeans turned it into. The europeans decided to enslave an entire race and export 10s of thousands across the ocean.
Muslim slave trading was usually based on people selling their children or occasionally people being abducted. It was bad but no where near the level that the europeans set. People in africa would usually sell war slaves to the muslims as well. It was slave trade(which is bad) but it wasn't racial subjugation.
--------------------
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681640 - 05/15/15 02:47 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Amanita86 said: Did your people go french or british?
I guess that gives away my east coast decent, if youre west coast I suppose the deck changes.
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Achillita
Back to the basics



Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 4,565
Last seen: 3 years, 10 days
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681644 - 05/15/15 02:59 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Amanita86 said:
Quote:
Amanita86 said: Did your people go french or british?
I guess that gives away my east coast decent, if youre west coast I suppose the deck changes.
My people came from the south east, so they did participate in the french and indian war actually.
The war actually caused a mini civil war in the tribe. The west allied with the french, while the east allied with the british. After the fights though, the tribe decided to form a stronger bond instead of being more to themselves. They did support the french in the end, until the french just abandoned all fronts. Then they began trading with the british afterwards and with no hostilities.
--------------------
|
edos



Registered: 01/01/15
Posts: 105
Last seen: 7 years, 3 days
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86] 1
#21681649 - 05/15/15 03:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
eh...Europeans were sort of the ones that first banned the importation of slaves...and eventually fought a horrible war that ended it. Again, I'm not taking credit for ending slavery, I'm just saying if you are going to take credit for all of the bad shit your ancestors do, you should take credit for the good things as well, but its silly because none of us had any part of it. You are addicted to white guilt and tribalism; hopefully you can grow out of it one day. Good night.
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
#21681651 - 05/15/15 03:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Word, see Im northeast, those few generations back stuck with the limers (brits).. I suppose if we were on a different timeline we might have some squabbles..or pair up and teach yellow hair;).. apparently my folks knew the mountains, I have a slip of paper noting survaces due signed by Washington when he was just a young punk..I should send you a theres some shit you might get a kick out of that I dont want too broadcast on this thread..Id like too hear your stories too.
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: edos]
#21681655 - 05/15/15 03:15 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
edos said: eh...Europeans were sort of the ones that first banned the importation of slaves...and eventually fought a horrible war that ended it. Again, I'm not taking credit for ending slavery, I'm just saying if you are going to take credit for all of the bad shit your ancestors do, you should take credit for the good things as well, but its silly because none of us had any part of it. You are addicted to white guilt and tribalism; hopefully you can grow out of it one day. Good night.
Im not addicted to anything but liquor, I fully understand, and in no way am I placing judgement on your head for what was done outside of your hands and time.. I dont know you, where you come from, or what you do..
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Achillita
Back to the basics



Registered: 05/26/14
Posts: 4,565
Last seen: 3 years, 10 days
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21681663 - 05/15/15 03:22 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
edos said: eh...Europeans were sort of the ones that first banned the importation of slaves...and eventually fought a horrible war that ended it. Again, I'm not taking credit for ending slavery, I'm just saying if you are going to take credit for all of the bad shit your ancestors do, you should take credit for the good things as well, but its silly because none of us had any part of it. You are addicted to white guilt and tribalism; hopefully you can grow out of it one day. Good night.
My point was never to push white guilt. I don't blame you whatsoever. Most natives are mixed, including me. I don't know who you are or blame you. If anything I was stating facts that have happened. IMO, the United states government should own up to the atrocities that it caused, and the lives it ruined. It has not paid that debt even close enough in my opinion.
And the thing is, many "tribes" were much more than that. A lot of them might as well been considered nations. They provided help and care within their own tribe, the only reason it's called a tribe now is to keep with the traditions and remind us where we are from.
Quote:
Amanita86 said: Word, see Im northeast, those few generations back stuck with the limers (brits).. I suppose if we were on a different timeline we might have some squabbles..or pair up and teach yellow hair;).. apparently my folks knew the mountains, I have a slip of paper noting survaces due signed by Washington when he was just a young punk..I should send you a theres some shit you might get a kick out of that I dont want too broadcast on this thread..Id like too hear your stories too.
Oh yeah definately man, send me a PM, I'd love to hear about these stories But I'm off to bed, It's pretty late.
So goodnight guys!
--------------------
|
Amanita86
OTD Keymaster


Registered: 09/26/12
Posts: 89,464
Loc: hades
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Achillita]
#21681670 - 05/15/15 03:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
--------------------
Orange clock, pencil "They threw me off the hay truck about noon..."
*Mark 15:34  Gam zeh ya’avor...
|
Beanhead
IS IRONIC PARADOX


Registered: 10/11/08
Posts: 17,257
Loc: Geospatial inversion.
Last seen: 3 years, 5 months
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: MichAnon.ael]
#21682130 - 05/15/15 08:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
MichAnon.ael said: Circumscise your human needs. without your shamans to guide you. Add alcohol.
Warrior culture?
http://theunitedstatesconstitution.blogspot.com/2006/12/native-american-source-for-declaration.html
"All well and good. Certainly ancient Greece and Rome, medieval England, and the minds of Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, and others were vital contributions to the ideas of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution. But one source, hiding in plain sight, so to speak, is frequently overlooked. This is the contribution of native Americans, particularly the Iroquois, to the mix. The Iroquois constitution, called the Great Law of Peace, or Gayanashagowa, contains many echoes of our Constitution, and in a number of respects, is more advanced in thought than the Constitution that resulted from the Convention of 1787."
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gayanashagowa ^^so gay^^
What do the Netherlands and US have in common.
Take a bit of this, take a bit of that
|
Thayendanegea
quiet walker



Registered: 02/20/12
Posts: 7,596
Loc: 7 Lodges Nation
|
Re: The Denial of The Native American Genocide [Re: Amanita86]
#21682163 - 05/15/15 08:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
|
|
Quote:
Amanita86 said:
Quote:
edos said: Native Americans got fucked over pretty hard, and have suffered many crimes against humanity, but I still have a difficult time believing it was deliberate genocide...maybe I'm in denial, but I contribute it more to incompetence and disease rather than an actual planned policy of genocide.
So your family never told you about the times of free fire? When it was kill on sight? Your family never explained too you how the government is still rapeing Mohawk land? Your family never told you about the genocide provided at the hands of the catholic church towards babies, the mass graves? Google that shit, and people wonder why I am the way I am..
Yeah, It's hard to imagine that all of New York City was once Mohawk Land. Many interior tribes joined whatever european army they thought would allow them to keep their land....Some fought for the English...like Joseph Brant (Thayendanegea) Some fought with the French and some joined the Colonists.They all just wanted to be able to keep their own hunting grounds...and they were all pushed aside and betrayed in the end.
-------------------- Look Deep Into Nature,and Then You Will Understand Everything Better. Albert Einstein
|
|