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Time without numbers
    #21680341 - 05/14/15 07:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I am curious about numbers and how they relate to time. We are the only animal species that uses numbers. Could our society function by only using our internal clock? Obviously our species uses the day for awake use and the night for sleep, and that is OBVIOUSLY because we can get around in the daylight. What if we didn't have numbers? What would society be like? Could it ever be possible? Sometimes, I think time is not real, or, we perceive it the wrong way. What are anyone's thoughts on that?


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: jenflower]
    #21680428 - 05/14/15 07:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

time doesn't exist its a gauge of motion but nothing more than a understanding that humans thought into existence to keep track.. You can say time was birthed through enviromental change, but all of this talk is purely native to human..

time is a human perspective


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: backyardmagic]
    #21680495 - 05/14/15 08:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes. It is something that really bothers me at times. It is actually something that nags at me more often than it should. I know society can't just change their perspective in a day, but I hope that it will happen. Numbering the length of the day, and everything, keeps us out of the moment. Scheduling. How can we 'schedule' if we dont even know we will be alive that day. It baffles me.


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: jenflower]
    #21680720 - 05/14/15 08:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well time more so numbers earths planetary rotation vs being a schedule guide for humans..

Most simply don't see the truth in things, people live in there own ideal of reality.

Its all good tho its probably best for them Over falling into the intense complexity of existence/ universal understanding


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: backyardmagic]
    #21683838 - 05/15/15 04:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Time for me is just a tool for our mind to cope with the flow of knowledge that is available out there, it works as a filter so we don't get overload.  Once we start absorving knowledge in a bigger scale (to our stardards) its perception changes a lot and maybe that's why time does seem to pass when we are kids and goes very fast when we get older


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: jenflower]
    #21683876 - 05/15/15 05:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The numbers are there as a unit for measuring how much time has passed.  Time with out numbers is time all the time.


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21684015 - 05/15/15 05:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The numbers are there as a unit for measuring how much time has passed.  Time with out numbers is time all the time.



True

Time is a measure of motion.. Even when somthing stands still motion still remains through existing


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: backyardmagic]
    #21684023 - 05/15/15 05:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Time is a measure of duration... at least that's what I was taught:shrug:


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21684328 - 05/15/15 06:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The subjective experience of duration is an illusion, but what's left over?  I mean, everybody takes shrooms and concludes that time doesn't really exist -- because they discover that the subjective experience of duration is a consequence of how the brain processes and stacks memories.  Fine.  But then, what is the dimension in which all that is happening?


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21684334 - 05/15/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Why are you speaking for everyone who has taken shrooms?

Just because something happens on shrooms doesn't make it a fact.


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21684588 - 05/15/15 08:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The subjective experience of duration is an illusion, but what's left over?  I mean, everybody takes shrooms and concludes that time doesn't really exist -- because they discover that the subjective experience of duration is a consequence of how the brain processes and stacks memories.  Fine.  But then, what is the dimension in which all that is happening?




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Re: Time without numbers [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21686258 - 05/16/15 08:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The subjective experience of duration is an illusion, but what's left over?  I mean, everybody takes shrooms and concludes that time doesn't really exist -- because they discover that the subjective experience of duration is a consequence of how the brain processes and stacks memories.  Fine.  But then, what is the dimension in which all that is happening?




This seemed too appropriate.



Speaking of subjective experience and illusions, I had never thought of the 4th dimension in this way until I read that comic.
Not so much that time is an effect of motion, but that much alike a force such as gravity we are simply being pulled into it.
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Re: Time without numbers [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21686636 - 05/16/15 10:48 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it's called time dilation.  When you trip hard it makes time feel infinate like youre experiencing the past, present and future all at the same time, but IMO THIS is an illusion.  You can get time dilation too when you're stuck in a classroom and clock watch, time slows down too but it doesn't change the fact that 10 seconds is relatively 10 seconds for everyone on the planet.  IMO your perception of time can vary depending on the person and their environment, not time.


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21687717 - 05/16/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes! Sometimes time slows down, then speeds up. Human concept of time can't be what we think, or it would never do that. Yes, psychedelic experiences prove this, IMO.


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: jenflower]
    #21687727 - 05/16/15 05:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Like right now, while I bartend this wedding, I'm tired, and time seems to be DRAGGING.:smirk:


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: jenflower]
    #21688001 - 05/16/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Even though the discussion has progressed somewhat I would still like to point out that some languages do not have numbers. One two and many is not unknown. I kind of believe language defines reality and I think this is one instance.

As for time I think it is just the process of decay. What is that thing about energy, in every conversion energy is lost or something. A leaf of grass gathers some of the energy of light. A cow eats some of the energy of the grass. I eat some of the energy of the cow. At every stage energy is lost. So time is like that, the gradual decay and loss of energy. We experience it by witnessing it. Maybe change is a better concept than decay.


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Re: Time without numbers [Re: The peg]
    #21688039 - 05/16/15 07:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, entropy.  The most widely accepted explanation in physics for the "arrow of time" is that of the process of entropy (or the Second law of thermodynamics).

So you are right on.  :thumbup:


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