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Re: Seriously? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21689386 - 05/17/15 04:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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So brahman were aware of DNA before James Francis and Watson Crick?  Pre-1953?



Ancient amazonian tribes taking DMT have accurately described DNA and even had knowledge of its spiral form.
There is an author who stayed with a tribe and remarked on the similarities in a book.

When asked how the shaman gained such vast knowledge of herbs and psychedelic plants, they replied "the plant spirits revealed them to us".


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21689392 - 05/17/15 04:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Its been shown as a matter-of-fact that DNA changes in real-time.
Its also been shown that DNA is aware of the seasons and changes accordingly.
And that gene networks become more complex in spite of natural selection.
This shows with little doubt that DNA is constantly absorbing information and reacting to it in real-time..
not over thousands of years with random mutation and natural selection.

There seems to be a feedback mechanism between DNA and experience.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx] * 1
    #21691190 - 05/17/15 04:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thats "old" news. By the way Darwinism is also no longer the churrent theory. The current theory is called synthetic theory of evolution, thats the combination of old school darwin with more modern knowledge about biology.

Years ago they discovered that the food you eat during your pregnancy is also an epigenetic factor. All in all the idea that 90% of DNA is junk is thoroughly refuted and on the garbage pile of science the big qurstion is now how the expression of these rarely activated genes works in detail.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21691237 - 05/17/15 04:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was being modest.
The current theory is wrong if it does not include consciousness or complexity.



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Re: Seriously? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21691310 - 05/17/15 04:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Years ago they discovered that the food you eat during your pregnancy is also an epigenetic factor. All in all the idea that 90% of DNA is junk is thoroughly refuted and on the garbage pile of science the big qurstion is now how the expression of these rarely activated genes works in detail.



DNA codes information. Consciousness perceives information.

DNA reacts intelligently even to weather.
Consciousness is associated with intelligence.
If intelligence is associated with DNA, than so must consciousness.

Consciousness seems to be communicating with DNA, altering it intelligently to adapt to the environment.
Meaning on a grander scale, the evolution of the complexity of consciousness is behind the complexity of physical (genetic) evolution. 
Consciousness is primary in evolution, the physical effects come secondary after information is gathered by consciousness from the environment, and is responded to intelligently and accordingly.


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    #21691419 - 05/17/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

DNA as a whole seems to work on a level of intelligence that we would expect from an AI.

It reprograms itself and expresses itself in nearly infinite forms gathering information from the environment and responding intelligently to it.

This in and of itself does not prove much.

However, with respects to complexity theory, we see that DNA has a purpose beyond that of adaption to the environment.

It seems to be apart of some sort of universal constant whereby the present moment may be seen as being some huge acceleration of novelty, and thereby complexity.
Because the greater the novelty, the greater the history, and combined we see that the past and the present directly accelerate the whole of times complexity and evolution.

Novelty literally new things, ideas, genomes, information...creativity.


Or it all may be apart of some positive universal feedback mechanism that makes the universe infinite.

Ultimately, DNA is related to this because out of billions of years of evolution, the human brain was formed..
Greatly accelerating the novelty factor and complexity of both consciousness and physicality...even beyond itself with the human invention of technology.
Which in this way, technology can be seen as an extension of evolution (which on a broader scale applies to every thing in the universe, life is an evolution of the universe) as we are able to use consciousness to quickly adapt by invention and tool-making...
Our tool-making and accelerating sophistication of technology greatly increases order and complexity in the universe.

Due to this, and humans natural ability to be creative, I must conclude that life is ubiquitous throughout the universe, and serves a purpose of ultimately reversing entropy in an infinite universe.

Its likely every planet which harbors some form of life ( its very likely DNA is spread throughout our galaxy) on a long enough time-line, will follow a pattern of creating intelligent and creative beings.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21693506 - 05/18/15 06:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You can argue like that just fine. The arguement will get better once we discover a link between epigenetic factors and brain chemistry and in reverse.

Funny how years ago every one laughed when peolple like mckenna proposed that mushrooms my interact with our dna... Epigenetics is truly the hot stuff right now :laugh:


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Re: Seriously? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21693523 - 05/18/15 06:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So the discovery that neurons constantly rewrite their DNA doesn't satisfy that criteria?


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Re: Seriously? [Re: RennHuhn]
    #21693525 - 05/18/15 06:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I can attest that hTx has correct and true information.

All biological entities record and change their DNA to fit their environment. This new information, which was not originally in the parent's birthed DNA, is passed onto the next generation in order for it to be better adapted to the [changing] environment in which it now lives. If needed, the new life will change its genetic coding during its lifetime, and pass that on as well.

I had always thought this was old news, but never studied the theory's history.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21693530 - 05/18/15 06:39 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I support your Idea! I dont want to be critical. But there is still a need to bridge the gap towards procreation.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: Arctic W. Fox]
    #21695390 - 05/18/15 06:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I can attest that hTx has correct and true information.

All biological entities record and change their DNA to fit their environment. This new information, which was not originally in the parent's birthed DNA, is passed onto the next generation in order for it to be better adapted to the [changing] environment in which it now lives. If needed, the new life will change its genetic coding during its lifetime, and pass that on as well.

I had always thought this was old news, but never studied the theory's history.



Epigenetics has been around for a bit, maybe ten years or more..
However, it wasnt known just how extensive real-time gene regulation was until recently.
The leading thought prior to a few weeks ago was that DNA remains relatively stable, especially in mature cells.
Thats been shown to not be the case.
That's the new news.
That and the article describing the correlation between social complexity and gene network complexity..
I said something like this was occurring over a year ago, that as complexity of consciousness increases physical complexity would increase as informed by consciousness.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21695504 - 05/18/15 06:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

10 years?  Maybe you first heard of it ten years ago.  The idea is 200 years old.  Maybe some meaningful addition to it happened ten years ago?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lamarckism


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