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    #21679205 - 05/14/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not one of you found the last publication posted in the Evolution Dogma thread interesting?

Well DQ did..anyways
The more i think about it, the more i see that the recently discovered observation that cells in the body rewrite their DNA to adapt to the environment, as pretty much one of the most important and upending discoveries in biology in a very long time.

We thought something like this was going on but lacked the evidence.

Since the discovery of DNA coupled with the dominance of Darwinism it was long thought DNA was stable as cells matured.
  Although that thought lacked evidence, it fit so nicely with current understanding of evolution (darwinism) that it wasnt really debated amongst scientists.

I brought up that something like the mechanism described in the discovery was occurring almost two years ago in the evolution dogma thread, one of the main arguments against me was the widely accepted belief that DNA was stable within the organism and evolution occured through a tiring process of random mutation and natural selection.
now it seems, as i and others have predicted, that beneficial mutations may not be entirely random.

Robert Anton Wilson and Leary described some phenomena (neurogenetic circuit) which can be associated with this discovery as well.

Darwin, look out.

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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21679212 - 05/14/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't know enough about DNA to comment on it:shrug:


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Re: Seriously? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21679388 - 05/14/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

There was another interesting discovery that our brains are outfitted with retroviruses in some sort of symbiotic relationship.

Viruses are able to rewrite a cells DNA, in fact this is how they reproduce by injecting viral RNA into a cells genome so that the cell will produce viruses within the cell to the point of the cell membrane bursting and spreading the virus contained within.

I wonder if the viruses found hanging out around in our brains are helping rewrite DNA in neurons or other cells for the purposes of coding information derived from the environment within a cells genome.

If something like this is occurring..what does that say about the intelligence of DNA to colloborate in such a way?


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21680259 - 05/14/15 07:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just today a study was published suggesting as complexity of social functions increase so does the complexity of gene networks.
This is the first study linking consciousness and DNA.

What's more, as social complexity increasingly affects gene regulation, natural selection of gene regulation slows.

All of these findings are in direct support of an alternate theory of evolution with regards to complexity as described here, on the shroomery.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21680467 - 05/14/15 07:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yes, hTx, any way you slice it, this seems to be very important and exciting news.  And I'll bet it's not sitting well with an awful lot of biologists!


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    #21680519 - 05/14/15 08:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I dont have a laptop atm Orin would link the study..but google "bees complexity" in google news..was published earlier today and is in direct support of evolution complexity theory.

Funny thing is, you can see the bias towards darwinism within the article.

They call the results "surprising"


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    #21680600 - 05/14/15 08:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/05/150514142951.htm

Yeah, pretty interesting.

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"It appears from these results that gene networks get more complex as social life gets more complex, with network complexity driving social complexity," Robinson said.




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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21681410 - 05/15/15 12:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If I spend all my time in the ocean, will I develop gills?


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    #21681783 - 05/15/15 05:07 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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If I spend all my time in the ocean, will I develop gills?




Yes, by the end of your life time your ears will be both used for capturing sound and removing oxygen from the water.  These are also known as gearls.  Interesting phenomenon


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    #21682008 - 05/15/15 07:37 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think the point is that it's beginning to appear convincingly that there is a legitimate complexification process driving natural selection, which is somehow intelligent and nonrandom.  Orderly, rather than purely chaotic.  This is pretty important, because it rather upends orthodox Darwinian theory.  Nothing to be sneezed at, certainly.  Real science.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21685946 - 05/16/15 05:38 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

And as regards to this theory, maybe your staunchest critics will not be scientists but philosophers. :-)


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    #21686252 - 05/16/15 08:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That is to be wholeheartedly encouraged.  :smile:


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Re: Seriously? [Re: DividedQuantum]
    #21689328 - 05/17/15 04:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It ws also very recently discovered that DNA changes with the seasons..clearly it is receiving information through consciousness.

And thats basically the essence of the theory, that consciousness is primary in evolution gathering information and evolving DNA in real-time.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21689332 - 05/17/15 04:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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It ws also very recently discovered that DNA changes with the seasons



How does DNA know when the leaves are falling?


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    #21689336 - 05/17/15 04:14 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

DNA may well be where memories are stored..the entire memory of dNA 's existence may well be stored within DNA.

The reincarnation experience as described by many an acidhead may be evidence that psychedelics allow us to access the genetic memory banks..

And even converse with the architect itself.

DnA is a brain, everything composed a neuron.
And it is very, very intelligent.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21689339 - 05/17/15 04:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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DNA may well be where memories are stored..the entire memory of dNA 's existence may well be stored within DNA.



What evidence do you have?  What trails of logic do you have that points to this, not even actual evidence.


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    #21689342 - 05/17/15 04:17 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Those that have perceived its presense have many references to its awareness as described by many spiritual terminology throughout history.
The oversoul and Atman.
Brahman.
DNA is the oversoul.


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    #21689345 - 05/17/15 04:20 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So brahman were aware of DNA before James Francis and Watson Crick?  Pre-1953?


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Re: Seriously? [Re: Cognitive_Shift]
    #21689370 - 05/17/15 04:31 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

On an intuitive and poetic level, yes.
The poetry of Rumi and other poets describe evolution over a thousand years before Darwin.


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Re: Seriously? [Re: hTx]
    #21689378 - 05/17/15 04:33 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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On an intuitive and poetic level, yes.




DNA has nothing to do with poetry.

What you said sounds graceful and I want to believe it but I think it's crap.


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