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OfflinePatlal
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Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? * 1
    #21678654 - 05/14/15 11:53 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ok maybe not addiction. People immediately will think that your a shit head because 1% of addicts makes the 99 look bad.

But mental illness. Are you opened to talking about it in public. Like going straight out and say you're bi-polar and that you have depression or other issues?

Personally, it's something I prefer to never say. Unlike a broken leg, it isn't obvious, it's easy to hide for a short period of time and I don't know, it's a weakness I would rather not show.

The thing is. I know I'm wrong thinking that way... It's not shameful, I was born that way...

What about you guys? What you think?


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21678659 - 05/14/15 11:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

yeah, i am. pretty much everyone in my family knows im a little 'off' at times, and the closer ones(my grandpa and aunts&uncles) know i'm an alcoholic and spent some time in a ward.
we just dont talk about it, or at least they never bring it up around me unless its a one-on-one conversation


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21678676 - 05/14/15 12:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm more open about my addiction then my mental illnesses . I have become more open with friends and family members who I am close to. My boss knows I'm an alcoholic and a pot head but I don't smoke on the job I will have a beer on lunch on occasion.

Yeah I have a few mental illness including PTSD insomnia major depressive and genral anxiety disorder. I used to self medicate for more then a decade on harder stuff then I do now.  Now it's SSRIs ambien booze and weed . Since then 've been taking ssris I've been drinking less and barely smoking . 

I think I'm probably most honest about it here but it's easier to talk to other people who are like you and more then likely you will never meet


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: trekie]
    #21678711 - 05/14/15 12:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It is much easier to bring pretty much anything up in here.

We're all equally fucked up.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21678714 - 05/14/15 12:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm open with friends and family, closed to all else.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21678720 - 05/14/15 12:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

definately, i have o problem talking about myself on the shroomery. ultimately anything i say here is forgotten eventually. in real life with my cousins and stuff its a different story, and i wouldnt want them to know about that. they're too young to understand that mental health isnt a black and white thing, as if your either totally normal or completely insane


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Adolin]
    #21678729 - 05/14/15 12:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I personally don't let people know what Doctors have to say about my head because people look at you really funny after you tell them.  It's easy to call somebody "crazy". It's dismissive.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #21678747 - 05/14/15 12:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah I hear you. When you are an Iraq war veteran with PTSD insomnia and enjoy firearms . This is how they think you act.



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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: trekie]
    #21678834 - 05/14/15 12:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I can't remember a time I was happy, growing up I was angry, always in trouble at school or with the law, got in some serious trouble that made me stop getting in trouble, started developing what I would call repressed rage, always angry without acting out or displaying it anymore, took mushrooms a few years ago, anger dissepated, turned into depression, I think about suicide almost everyday knowing I don't have the balls to actually go through with it, I literally have not been happy....almost ever, and not even my closest friends have noticed, or my family. I spend most of my time alone, because I almost always hate interacting with people, I don't care about most things, I don't look forward to anything, I see no point for me to even exist. I'm emotionally dead, I don't get happy, I don't get angry, I basically feel as though I don't feel anything 95% of the time. As the pink floyd song goes, I've become comfortably numb.

Only time I told anyone was when I was forced to talk about it, I was court ordered to do 50 therapist sessions, which he cut me short to 25, after I made sure he knew I hated him and thought he was a quack.

But am I ashamed to tell people? No, I just haven't and won't because I realized a long time ago no body cares about anyone's problems except there own. I've subtly tried to reach out to people at times, for them to flip it around to a problem they're having in their life, which I help them get through, because it pains me to see other people unhappy or feeling alone, since I know all to well what that is like. Only reason I feel comfortable saying it here, is because none of you know me, and because it doesn't matter if you know anyway. I'd pr


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21678901 - 05/14/15 01:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I can't remember a time I was happy, growing up I was angry, always in trouble at school or with the law, got in some serious trouble that made me stop getting in trouble, started developing what I would call repressed rage, always angry without acting out or displaying it anymore, took mushrooms a few years ago, anger dissepated, turned into depression, I think about suicide almost everyday knowing I don't have the balls to actually go through with it, I literally have not been happy....almost ever, and not even my closest friends have noticed, or my family. I spend most of my time alone, because I almost always hate interacting with people, I don't care about most things, I don't look forward to anything, I see no point for me to even exist. I'm emotionally dead, I don't get happy, I don't get angry, I basically feel as though I don't feel anything 95% of the time. As the pink floyd song goes, I've become comfortably numb.

Only time I told anyone was when I was forced to talk about it, I was court ordered to do 50 therapist sessions, which he cut me short to 25, after I made sure he knew I hated him and thought he was a quack.

But am I ashamed to tell people? No, I just haven't and won't because I realized a long time ago no body cares about anyone's problems except there own. I've subtly tried to reach out to people at times, for them to flip it around to a problem they're having in their life, which I help them get through, because it pains me to see other people unhappy or feeling alone, since I know all to well what that is like. Only reason I feel comfortable saying it here, is because none of you know me, and because it doesn't matter if you know anyway. I'd pr




You are the perfect candidate for SSRIs.

They will change your life around.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21679040 - 05/14/15 02:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Patlal said:

But mental illness. Are you opened to talking about it in public. Like going straight out and say you're bi-polar and that you have depression or other issues?


The thing is. I know I'm wrong thinking that way... It's not shameful, I was born that way...

What about you guys? What you think?







I'm on the autism spectrum but have only mentioned it to a couple friends. I'm not ashamed about it what so ever and wouldn't change a damn thing about my self....I just don't mention it because I have no reason to, and a lot of people immediately think of "rain man" and have similar skewed impressions of what autism is.






I was hesitant to post in this thread because I don't quite consider autism to be a mental illness....but it is looked at as such by some.






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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: openmind]
    #21679059 - 05/14/15 02:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

In my head. autism is antisocial behavior accompanied by sick math skills.

How wrong am I?


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21679093 - 05/14/15 02:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not sure if SSRI's are a narcotic or not, but I have a very addictive personality so I usually stay away from anything that is possible for me to get hooked on. And I can't explain but I've always had a thing about taking any kind of pills, I won't even take tylenol unless it's an absolute necessity, and never tried any that were narcotics even when prescribed. Pills make me uncomfortable.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21679113 - 05/14/15 02:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I would be if I was an addict/had a mental illness. I don't like talking about bodily functions even though so I'm probably abnormally closed off in that sense

But who wants others to know you're mentally compromised?


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21679133 - 05/14/15 02:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not sure if SSRI's are a narcotic or not, but I have a very addictive personality so I usually stay away from anything that is possible for me to get hooked on. And I can't explain but I've always had a thing about taking any kind of pills, I won't even take tylenol unless it's an absolute necessity, and never tried any that were narcotics even when prescribed. Pills make me uncomfortable.




It's not a narcotic. You can't use them recreationally either. They just improve your mood and make you a better person. After 3 months you realize that you are no longer depressed, you have a positive outlook on life and that you have improved for the better. You start giving a shit about stuff, you become motivated and interested in things. You become a "normal" person.

As for addiction, well, its a prescription that you take once a day. Of course you'll fll back to being depressed and miserable if you stop taking them. But it's not a drug to get high at all. It's subtle yet extremely effective. I strongly suggest you go to a psychiatrist and ask for a prescription. Cipralex/Lexapro saved my life.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21679144 - 05/14/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I don't have any diagnosed mental illnesses, and I'm not currently addicted to anything that effects my life, but I guess I am technically an addict, as I have been addicted to opiates and benzos.

No, I'm not ashamed to admit it in public. I beat my addictions without any outside help. And I do still use opiates and benzos, but I'm responsible with my use now.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21679283 - 05/14/15 03:22 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok maybe not addiction. People immediately will think that your a shit head because 1% of addicts makes the 99 look bad.

But mental illness. Are you opened to talking about it in public. Like going straight out and say you're bi-polar and that you have depression or other issues?

Personally, it's something I prefer to never say. Unlike a broken leg, it isn't obvious, it's easy to hide for a short period of time and I don't know, it's a weakness I would rather not show.

The thing is. I know I'm wrong thinking that way... It's not shameful, I was born that way...

What about you guys? What you think?




Yes.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal] * 3
    #21679363 - 05/14/15 03:43 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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In my head. autism is antisocial behavior accompanied by sick math skills.

How wrong am I?



A lot


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21679384 - 05/14/15 03:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It's none of their business.  People are on a need to know basis.  If they dont need to know why the fuck would I tell them or any public? Next thread Patial or however you spell your name.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: sprinkles]
    #21679420 - 05/14/15 03:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

People know about my illness but it's rarely talked about.
Nobody knows about my addiction, yet.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21679455 - 05/14/15 04:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Nobody but my family and closest friends know that I am depressed. I am going to keep it that way.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #21679545 - 05/14/15 04:24 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I take it that you consider all twelve billion Shroomerites your closest friends now.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21679553 - 05/14/15 04:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I take it that you consider all twelve billion Shroomerites your closest friends now.




There's actually only 10 shroomerites with 20000 puppets each


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21681061 - 05/14/15 10:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I thought I was crazy until I saw someone that was was fucked up. Now I think I'm normal


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21681176 - 05/14/15 10:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I suffer from mental illness and I don't care who knows. Fuck'em if they don't like it.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Le_Canard] * 1
    #21681477 - 05/15/15 01:09 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Not online I'm not...

In person, it's as many here have stated, a need to know basis.
Same thing with my sexuality, I don't let it define me...


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21681948 - 05/15/15 07:11 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have a mild anxiety/depression low mood or something,  I don't tell people I meet because they usually see me as the opposite. I smoke weed before bed to relieve the symptoms. When I wake up I feel great. The funny thing is weed actually tends to give me anxiety while high, so I don't do it recreationally with other people often. They always ask why I dont smoke weed... lol


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Hellogoodbyedeath]
    #21681960 - 05/15/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Depression is a lie. Anxiety is a lie. It is all a game. When you are labeled with a "disease" like that, you have no chance as being a credible person. You will be drugged and institutionalized against your will one day. It is all a matter of who knows like you said. You just need to change something. What you are feeling is a driving force. It is not to be suppressed but to be embraced...


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21681964 - 05/15/15 07:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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People immediately will think that your a shit head because 1% of addicts makes the 99 look bad.





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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Shiithead]
    #21681975 - 05/15/15 07:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I thoroughly enjoy being medicated.
Anti-Axiety (anxiolytics) are fucking great.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21682018 - 05/15/15 07:41 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

No not ashamed.  Usually when people ask me "how are you doing" or "what's up?" I take that as an opportunity to let them know about my anxiety and depression, history of drug abuse, and how many times I have considered suicide that day so far.  Usually I try to stand on a chair, table, balcony, and rooftop and say it loud and clear so everyone can hear me and my problems.  Sometimes I also hire a young boy to go to other towns and shout about my anxiety and depression, history of drug abuse, and how many times I have considered suicide that day so far, just to get better coverage.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Shiithead]
    #21682112 - 05/15/15 08:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Depression is a lie. Anxiety is a lie. It is all a game. When you are labeled with a "disease" like that, you have no chance as being a credible person. You will be drugged and institutionalized against your will one day. It is all a matter of who knows like you said. You just need to change something. What you are feeling is a driving force. It is not to be suppressed but to be embraced...




I wouldn't say it's a lie, it's very real, but even though I can't remember ever feeling different, I wouldn't call it a disease either, it's like calling addiction a disease. Yeah it puts emphasis on it in order to show how much of a problem it is and show that it needs to be addressed, but realistically, it was your choice, and still is a choice, calling it something else gives you a reason to not put the blame on yourself, but it always comes back to what you're choosing to do, I could probably choose to be different, I've tried to do different things, but I'm just negative as a person and always was, and never saw a point to anything I do or even existing, and no matter what, it doesn't change.

I can volunteer at a homeless shelter, doesn't make me feel any better, I can receive gifts, don't care, I can do one of my most favorite activities ever, and it just keeps me distracted while doing it, but doesn't change how I am or what I feel the second it's over, I can honestly say that changing something wouldn't make a difference for me, because I am a 100% different person then I used to be, but the way I feel is exactly the same as it's always been. Just feel nothing instead of anger now. Nothing makes me happy or excited, and that hasn't changed regardless of what I've done different.

It's more of your own perspective on things then it is the things you choose to do in life. IMO anyway. It's easy to fool people though, pretty sad when all you have to do is fake a smile your entire life and not even your family notices what's really going on with you, or friends, or girlfriends. Only person in my entire life who took notice was an ex of mine who turned out to be a cunt, she just asked me why I don't get angry, sad, or anything about specific shit that was happening at the time and proceeded to ask why it always seemed like a reaction to smile and not genuine if someone was talking to me..I just said it's useless to get mad and shit because it doesnt change anything and she was thinking too much into it and I just like being polite lol, that was the only time I was kind of "embarrassed" about it.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal]
    #21682170 - 05/15/15 08:49 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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People immediately will think that your a shit head because 1% of addicts makes the 99 look bad.




This is so true, sad yet true.... I am ashamed of my mental illness. I feel my family both help and stress my addiction and mental illness. But in turn im sure it stresses them as well, i am lucky they are there and (sometimes) understand. However times they misunderstand my actions really drives me insane (no pun intended).

I feel most ashamed after the fact i will hear from my brother that i had "manic" or "violent" episode. Half the time i dont recall the episode he is talking about and dont know what to think of it. Other times i feel my actions are blown out of proportion and my illness gets blamed when really (most of the time) they are things that everyone goes through.

I know alot of addicts and ex addicts. i myself was there and back but now im there again. My friends that are ex addicts often are very open about there ex-addictions and very openly talk about them. An old counselor of mine told me this is a good "coping mechanism" or whatever you want to call it. On the other hand my friends who are addicts are extremely reluctant to admit it. They lie to themselves and say they have no problem and brag they can stop whenever and have no withdrawals but they are full of shit, and continue to use daily.

I am a multi-substance addict. Some habits i have no problem openly admitting, others i am quite ashamed of. I dont know if its the negative stigma from those around me, or my own personal guilt. I like to blame society for alot of the negative stigma such as with marijuana how people stereotype and think if you smoke your a dumb burn't out hippy stoner, when in reality they are far and few between. People come in all shades but society as a whole like to simplify and stereotype they only see good vs bad and no in between.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: zappaisgod]
    #21682193 - 05/15/15 08:55 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I take it that you consider all twelve billion Shroomerites your closest friends now.



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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: SirShroomsAlott]
    #21682211 - 05/15/15 09:02 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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But am I ashamed to tell people? No, I just haven't and won't because I realized a long time ago no body cares about anyone's problems except there own. I've subtly tried to reach out to people at times, for them to flip it around to a problem they're having in their life, which I help them get through, because it pains me to see other people unhappy or feeling alone, since I know all to well what that is like. Only reason I feel comfortable saying it here, is because none of you know me, and because it doesn't matter if you know anyway. I'd pr





:hugitout: Ive tried to reach out it always fails. I have come to realize these things you mention, most people only care about themselves.
And i look around and everyone seems miserable and unhappy and i feel there pain as well just watching what they are going through i relate too much. And then theres nothing i can do, what little i can do makes no difference.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Shiithead]
    #21682483 - 05/15/15 10:35 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Depression is a lie. Anxiety is a lie. It is all a game. When you are labeled with a "disease" like that, you have no chance as being a credible person. You will be drugged and institutionalized against your will one day. It is all a matter of who knows like you said. You just need to change something. What you are feeling is a driving force. It is not to be suppressed but to be embraced...





I don't think its a lie, its from a lack of dopamine or serotonin in the brain. It makes you not feel motivated to socialize, have hobbies, or enjoy your work becuase your not getting the brain chemical reward doing it. Anxiety is unnecessarily worrying and focusing on what other people think or even worrying about whats on the news, mabye your scared to enter a cab by yourself becuase your with a stranger, thats anxiety. Anyways... With both problems you kind of end up living in your head then living in the moment its very difficult to escape outta that without some kind of help from drugs. :stoned:




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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: CaptainKurt]
    #21682663 - 05/15/15 11:28 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My anxiety is simultaneously my biggest problem and biggest strength.  When I can harness that energy it can allow me to be really focused on one thing.

It can definitely be put in the category of a disease though, as much as anything can.  Just because it is not infectious or deadly in of itself it doesn't mean it isn't a disease.  People don't die from HIV they die from AIDS, just like people don't suffer from depression they suffer from the symptoms of the disease known as depression, which isn't well understood but it's one of those things that we generally agree on the meaning. 

Shiithead likes to say that things mean things that they don't wherever it suits his arguments and world-views.  I think that is a waste of time and a transparent attempt at manipulation because he knows if he just comes out and says what he means most people will write him off, as I believe they should :smirk:


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Patlal] * 1
    #21682906 - 05/15/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'm not ashamed to mention it, but I know all too well that most people lack the frame of reference to have an reasonable understanding of what I'm saying.

I tend to use "I'm as messed up as a war veteran" as a clarification often.

Part of my mental illness is the result of what other people have done to me over the course of my formative years, and the rest is a genetic predisposition to psychosis.
Why should I be ashamed? Not just have people completely demolished my psyche as a child but I built it up with my bare hands having jack diddly squat for help, and I managed to do this while retaining an unusually deep love for my fellow human beings. I'm a hero. Why be ashamed?


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Asante]
    #21682919 - 05/15/15 12:34 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That's a really bad analogy.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: TopPmz]
    #21682928 - 05/15/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Its not. I have been through comparable events of acute danger to life and all that jazz, the no exit situation, the constant high tension., I'm very comparable to a war veteran except my war zone was the first 20 years of my life.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Asante]
    #21682941 - 05/15/15 12:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Did you ever try to kill groups of people who were simultaneously trying to kill you, surrounded by gunfire and explosions, because someone told you to?

I doubt it.

I'm not trying to downplay your trauma, or saying its lesser than veterans even; but I doubt it's comparable at all.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: TopPmz]
    #21682952 - 05/15/15 12:44 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'm not ashamred to mention it, but I know all too well that most people lack the frame of reference to have an reasonable understanding of what I'm saying.

I tend to use "I'm as messed up as a war veteran" as a clarification often.



Know those feels. And most of my fucked comes from my chhildhood.


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    #21683011 - 05/15/15 12:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Did you ever try to kill groups of people who were simultaneously trying to kill you, surrounded by gunfire and explosions, because someone told you to?





Fuck man, what I'd give to have grown up to a psychologically
healthy human being and only then being traumatized.

Sure I'd wanna trade with a tour of duty. Or a couple years concentration camp? Sure thing. I'll have that instead.

I was being taken apart and kept demolished during all my formative years, no adult onset psychotrauma measures up to that because they'll always have a healthy self to hearken back to. That never existed for me. Even the core of me, in absence of traumatic circumstances, is not sane.

I'm not entering a dick sizing contest with equally seriously traumatized people but if we sat down and had a heart to heart most would consider me on par, or worse off.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Asante]
    #21683024 - 05/15/15 01:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You didn't read beyond what you quoted did you?

I said you may very well be on par, but the type of trauma isn't comparable. I don't personally know you, just what you tell us here, so I have no reason not to believe you.


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    #21683035 - 05/15/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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the type of trauma isn't comparable. I don't personally know you




Its quite comparable. Though the eyecandy may differ, its all about being forced to be maximally alert for years on end and still being unable to prevent a succession of gruesome events in the absence of safe havens.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Asante]
    #21683054 - 05/15/15 01:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'll take your word for it, I suppose. As I said, I don't personally know you. How can I argue?:shrug:


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: TopPmz]
    #21683058 - 05/15/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Why not ? If you have no reason or prospective how can you know?  I speak with experience to say sadly the military was one of the better and worst points in my life. I feel more trauma from my childhood years. Want the paperwork or pics of prescription.

While I'm all for being specular on  the internet and all. Being a dick in a serious conversation especially about mental illness is just a no. When people question it and try to call bullshit is the reason why more people aren't as open about shit.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: Asante]
    #21683062 - 05/15/15 01:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, I've read that depression is A) genetic, B) from childhood experiences, and C) relative to your current environment. All these things combined influence this disease, and many others.

I do consider it a disease. The brain chemistry is fuct up.
You may need meds to get it right again, as scaaary as that may be for some people.

When you're at your lowest, and there's no end in sight, you'll reach out and take whatever helping hand is offered.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21683078 - 05/15/15 01:13 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I wouldn't say that, I reached literal gun point, and found out I didn't have the balls to pull the trigger, and I'm still the same as I was, just accepted the fact I'm a pussy about ending it. Granted I was really drunk when I actually attempted though. Still think about death all the time though and how relieving it would probably be, yet at the same time the thought of eternal nothingness is intimidating even when compared to being miserable, alone, and not knowing how you can ever be happy.


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: trekie]
    #21683099 - 05/15/15 01:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Why not ? If you have no reason or prospective how can you know?  I speak with experience to say sadly the military was one of the better and worst points in my life. I feel more trauma from my childhood years. Want the paperwork or pics of prescription.

While I'm all for being specular on  the internet and all. Being a dick in a serious conversation especially about mental illness is just a no. When people question it and try to call bullshit is the reason why more people aren't as open about shit.



Who was being a dick, and/or calling bullshit?


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    #21683194 - 05/15/15 01:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I mean there's bad and then there's BAD.

For people with treatment resistant depression, and all that comes with that, I def think it's a mental illness and a disease.

Are crappy, just out of the pipeline, AD's over-prescribed?

Possibly, but since most psychiatrists don't take insurance, what else to do?


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Re: Are you ashamed to mention that you have a mental illness/addiction in public? [Re: SoupSandwich]
    #21683491 - 05/15/15 03:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

No. Especially with girls. I was a heroin addict but almost 2 years clean for the most part. Now I'm an alcoholic. I make sure to specifically tell them this is apart of who I am. So they know exactly what there getting into.


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    #21683679 - 05/15/15 03:51 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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the type of trauma isn't comparable. I don't personally know you




Its quite comparable. Though the eyecandy may differ, its all about being forced to be maximally alert for years on end and still being unable to prevent a succession of gruesome events in the absence of safe havens.



I'm sorry to hear this.  No child  deserves that.  Some adults do, though.


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