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Four people, four different psychedelics + Salvia and MJ. * 2
    #21675306 - 05/13/15 04:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Howdy folks!

I'm going to be having a pretty interesting trip this Friday. Probably going to be an absolute shit show haha.

I will be taking LSA, for the second time. Monster dose, maybe a thousand to twelve hundred seeds. I'll be smoking DMT at some point during the trip.

My buddy and my girl will be on acid, doubt they'll take any rue.

My other buddy will be on whatever amount of shrooms I have left. Around an eighter.

Now, I'm not sure who will be smoking DMT with me, but I'm assuming my buddy on acid will. I know everybody will be hitting my bong at some point.


I think it's going to be quite the experience, don't you!? Is there anything I need to be concerned about involving the combinations above? How do you entertain people when everybody is on a different drug!?

I'm like the shaman of the group, and we'll be at my place, so sadly I'll have to remain in the real world most of the time :p

P.S. - Salvia is also on the menu.

DISCLAIMER!!! - Please do not attempt this combination or dosage! I was rushed to the ER due to not being able to breathe and almost died from this experience. This was a stupid idea in hindsight and it almost cost me my life.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21675563 - 05/13/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Damn now that sound like an amazing time! I hope everything goes as planned and you guys have a blast. The only thing that left me wide eyes was the Salvia. That to me sound like a horrible time but I personally don't enjoy salvia. I remember smoking some x20 extract, never again man haha.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Mescalitoe]
    #21675681 - 05/13/15 05:49 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Damn now that sound like an amazing time! I hope everything goes as planned and you guys have a blast. The only thing that left me wide eyes was the Salvia. That to me sound like a horrible time but I personally don't enjoy salvia. I remember smoking some x20 extract, never again man haha.




Yeah I'm not so sure about the salvia, but I'd try it :p

I'm actually kind of nervous about doing LSA again. It was such a tough trip last time. Hopefully this one will be better. Not to mention LSA + THC + DMT could = :mindblown:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21675966 - 05/13/15 06:54 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My prediction is the Rue will smooth out the massive LSA dose.

You are in for an intensive ride my friend!

Good luck fellow LSA traveller :awesome::thumbup:

(PS Shroomery lacks a Morning Glory flower Smiley :sad:)


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21675978 - 05/13/15 06:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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My prediction is the Rue will smooth out the massive LSA dose.

You are in for an intensive ride my friend!

Good luck fellow LSA traveller :awesome::thumbup:

(PS Shroomery lacks a Morning Glory flower Smiley :sad:)




Thanks Logic :] Happy 8 years at Shroomery!

I'm just going to boil about 3.5g of rue for a half hour and drink that. Does that work or do I need more preparation?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21676275 - 05/13/15 08:00 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Hey, i didnt even notice that date! 8 glorious years! wow :cool:

Not sure on the rue, never used it myself.

Maybe check the search engine :shrug:

I know its best to drink it about a half hour before doing.

Also, be prepared for that rue tea. Its going to be VERY bitter :yuck:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21676501 - 05/13/15 08:56 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ApexNightmare said:
Howdy folks!

I'm going to be having a pretty interesting trip this Friday. Probably going to be an absolute shit show haha.

I will be taking LSA, for the second time. Monster dose, maybe a thousand to twelve hundred seeds. I hear MAOI's don't affect LSA, but I may take it anyway because I hear it relaxes you. Not to mention I'll be smoking DMT at some point during the trip.

My buddy and my girl will be on acid, doubt they'll take any rue.

My other buddy will be on whatever amount of shrooms I have left. Around an eighter. I'll try to convince him to take some rue to make the trip stronger.

Now, I'm not sure who will be smoking DMT with me, but I'm assuming my buddy on acid will. I know everybody will be hitting my bong at some point.


I think it's going to be quite the experience, don't you!? Is there anything I need to be concerned about involving rue and the combinations above? How do you entertain people when everybody is on a different drug!?

I'm like the shaman of the group, and we'll be at my place, so sadly I'll have to remain in the real world most of the time :p

P.S. - Salvia is also on the menu.




Hey Noob.

If you take harmalas (rue) without watching your diet for at least 48 hours either side, your're going to get sick. It might be mild like stomach pains or more, but whenever taking harmalas DIET!!! Someone I gave rue to had hours of stomach pains after they ate just bread and butter (yeast).

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Rue is not recreational


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: 3waesz]
    #21676632 - 05/13/15 09:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey Noob.

If you take harmalas (rue) without watching your diet for at least 48 hours either side, your're going to get sick. It might be mild like stomach pains or more, but whenever taking harmalas DIET!!! Someone I gave rue to had hours of stomach pains after they ate just bread and butter (yeast).

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Rue is not recreational





Hello. Yes, I am aware of the dietary needs for rue. I will probably be the only one taking the rue so I will only need to alter my diet slightly considering I don't eat much red meat or yeast. Though I do drink beer... I imagine I won't be able to drink beer during my trip then?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare] * 1
    #21677582 - 05/14/15 04:04 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

damn i'm jealous of the night you are about to have! please report back with how it went!

:rockon:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #21677744 - 05/14/15 05:42 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Riiiight.
you've changed your name.

Tripped me out and i had to go searching through threads to confirm :wink:

sounds like an interesting night dude!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21677976 - 05/14/15 07:36 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Where are you reading you need to not eat red meat when using harmalas? Nothing I have read says eating fresh red meat is bad. Most just say to avoid liver and dried/cured meats. I prefer a low-carb high/fat diet personally so it's no problem at all for me to use harmalas with little dietary restriction. Coffee is about the only thing for me.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21677982 - 05/14/15 07:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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ApexNightmare said:
Howdy folks!

I'm going to be having a pretty interesting trip this Friday. Probably going to be an absolute shit show haha.

I will be taking LSA, for the second time. Monster dose, maybe a thousand to twelve hundred seeds. I hear MAOI's don't affect LSA, but I may take it anyway because I hear it relaxes you. Not to mention I'll be smoking DMT at some point during the trip.

My buddy and my girl will be on acid, doubt they'll take any rue.

My other buddy will be on whatever amount of shrooms I have left. Around an eighter. I'll try to convince him to take some rue to make the trip stronger.

Now, I'm not sure who will be smoking DMT with me, but I'm assuming my buddy on acid will. I know everybody will be hitting my bong at some point.


I think it's going to be quite the experience, don't you!? Is there anything I need to be concerned about involving rue and the combinations above? How do you entertain people when everybody is on a different drug!?

I'm like the shaman of the group, and we'll be at my place, so sadly I'll have to remain in the real world most of the time :p

P.S. - Salvia is also on the menu.





Since your girl and your boy will be taking the acid, I would be very afraid the LSD will hyper-connect them and he will run off with her and DSHSB


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Trypto-Fan]
    #21678569 - 05/14/15 11:24 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So who is 0797547907684345?

Im confused.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21678663 - 05/14/15 11:56 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Okay, OP I'm gonna go ahead and say it's likely the harm alas will protentiate the LSA I'd dose accordingly!  I used to dose LSD with harmala and if I had any advise it's to do a Manske extraction on the seeds.  It'll get rid of the viscene and take away most of the nausea.  The diets aren't really all that effective IME.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: daytripper05]
    #21678732 - 05/14/15 12:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Where are you reading you need to not eat red meat when using harmalas? Nothing I have read says eating fresh red meat is bad. Most just say to avoid liver and dried/cured meats. I prefer a low-carb high/fat diet personally so it's no problem at all for me to use harmalas with little dietary restriction. Coffee is about the only thing for me.




I thought red meat contained a lot of tyramine or whatever it was called. And I thought that is the main thing I was supposed to avoid? Honestly I haven't done enough research on rue and I may just wait to use it when I am alone and ready. My diet may be good for it regardless, but I'd rather not risk it.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare] * 1
    #21678736 - 05/14/15 12:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Since your girl and your boy will be taking the acid, I would be very afraid the LSD will hyper-connect them and he will run off with her and DSHSB





Bill, don't be throwing those negative vibes around! NOT UP IN HERE! :P


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: 3waesz]
    #21678810 - 05/14/15 12:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Hey Noob.

If you take harmalas (rue) without watching your diet for at least 48 hours either side, your're going to get sick. It might be mild like stomach pains or more, but whenever taking harmalas DIET!!! Someone I gave rue to had hours of stomach pains after they ate just bread and butter (yeast).

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Rue is not recreational




not true at all you dont have to watch your diet and I have eaten bread and butter just before and been perfectly fine

Just add around 1.5g - 2g ginger with the rue and you'll be fine,half an hour of boiling for rue will work fine

have fun tripping


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21678821 - 05/14/15 12:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah Bill, go back to the PUB where you belong :shakefist:

OP, tyramine is very debated in the diet. Casien Protien is a bigger concern IMO, I have had almost 0 die issues besides heavy cheeses and processed food.

I tend to purge regardless of my diet when I take harmalas. Doing a real extraction will reduce the odds, though pure harmalas can induce nausea.

No amount of dieting or extracting will ever change that, the only solution is to know your dose and your body.

Definitely read up on rue more before use, it is a powerful and ancient teacher and should not be taken lightly.

That being said alcohol and pharms/ stimulants are 99% of the real danger IMO. Also I enjoy most of the purge, its like a can feel my body releasing built of bile n gunk...


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21678832 - 05/14/15 12:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah it's not like an opiate purge.  As it comes out you feel almost a spiritual sense of renewal.  Very cathartic!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Elff]
    #21678847 - 05/14/15 12:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Elff said:
Quote:

3waesz said:

Hey Noob.

If you take harmalas (rue) without watching your diet for at least 48 hours either side, your're going to get sick. It might be mild like stomach pains or more, but whenever taking harmalas DIET!!! Someone I gave rue to had hours of stomach pains after they ate just bread and butter (yeast).

Check yourself before you wreck yourself. Rue is not recreational




not true at all you dont have to watch your diet and I have eaten bread and butter just before and been perfectly fine

Just add around 1.5g - 2g ginger with the rue and you'll be fine,half an hour of boiling for rue will work fine

have fun tripping




We all have different bodies. :P I'm not lying.

One of my friends suffered for a few hours (mildly but it ruined her trip) after only consuming bread.

I on the other hand had eaten only a few pieces of fruit and had an awesome wild one. Anytime you are using harmalas with psychedelics, ayahuasca diet applies in my opinion.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: 3waesz]
    #21678865 - 05/14/15 01:04 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Has this "friend" tried harmalas before or was that the first time?

Everyone reacts differently so unless they have tried rue multiple times and only had nausea after eating bread I would say it is much more likely the harmalas just made him/her nauseous.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21678997 - 05/14/15 01:48 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

If nausea is the only real danger, I may just go for it. But LSA already makes me want to barf, so it might be too much even for me to stomach :p


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679003 - 05/14/15 01:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The only real danger if you are being cautious and responsible*

Combining drugs in general can always be dangerous, but harmalas are made for tryptamines and I have heard interesting things about them and lysergamides.

Standardized extracts simplify things becouse you can weigh up a specific dose.

I have never had any nausea from a dose of 150-200 mg of harmalas, 250+ and I am pretty likely to purge though.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21679012 - 05/14/15 01:57 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The only real danger if you are being cautious and responsible*

Combining drugs in general can always be dangerous, but harmalas are made for tryptamines and I have heard interesting things about them and lysergamides.

Standardized extracts simplify things becouse you can weigh up a specific dose.

I have never had any nausea from a dose of 150-200 mg of harmalas, 250+ and I am pretty likely to purge though.




You guys are making me all nervous and whatnot :p I'll let you know what I end up doing. I have to prepare my MG seeds and do another DMT extraction tonight. The rue is up in the air. Last time I did 1200 seeds by themselves, it was more than enough!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679052 - 05/14/15 02:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just trying to give you proper warnings.

Since what you have planned out will already be more then enough if you are nervous I say hold off on the rue, and try some pharma some time with it :awesomenod:

50mg of demetri on a nice rue dose may have you re evaluating smoking it :wink:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21679109 - 05/14/15 02:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Just trying to give you proper warnings.

Since what you have planned out will already be more then enough if you are nervous I say hold off on the rue, and try some pharma some time with it :awesomenod:

50mg of demetri on a nice rue dose may have you re evaluating smoking it :wink:





I've been meaning to try pharma. Hm... more thoughts haha. LSA + pharma = ???


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679143 - 05/14/15 02:40 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I personally wouldn't want to try it. Maybe after trying harmalas more on their own, and combined with both psychs individually.

For some reason I thought you were talking about LSD, A tends to be more mellow and sedating for me so that would be pretty great.

D tends to be more physical/ mentally stimulating for me and would distract from the experience I think.

They would no doubt compete over some receptors though and I feel like it would not be as smooth as some pure pharma in that sense.

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21679156 - 05/14/15 02:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I personally wouldn't want to try it. Maybe after trying harmalas more on their own, and combined with both psychs individually.

For some reason I thought you were talking about LSD, A tends to be more mellow and sedating for me so that would be pretty great.

D tends to be more physical/ mentally stimulating for me and would distract from the experience I think.

They would no doubt compete over some receptors though and I feel like it would not be as smooth as some pure pharma in that sense.

If you try it let me know how it goes! Same with pharma, always interested to hear peoples experiences around it.




I'm seriously debating doing both or just Pharma. If I wanted to do say 200mg. Would 3.5g rue be enough for that?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679170 - 05/14/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I personally would recommend starting low. 50mg can be plenty for some people, 200mg sounds like it could be very intense. Though it really depends on body chemistry.

3.5 grams of rue should be plenty though I would highly recommend looking into pure extracts. The potency can vary so much in the seeds, not to mention dyes and other unpleasant things.

3-4 grams should be enough that even if the seeds aren't very potent you will still get enough.

You can always eat more/ or smoke more on top of it so I would definitely recommend starting low if you go that route :thumbup:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21679214 - 05/14/15 03:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I personally would recommend starting low. 50mg can be plenty for some people, 200mg sounds like it could be very intense. Though it really depends on body chemistry.

3.5 grams of rue should be plenty though I would highly recommend looking into pure extracts. The potency can vary so much in the seeds, not to mention dyes and other unpleasant things.

3-4 grams should be enough that even if the seeds aren't very potent you will still get enough.

You can always eat more/ or smoke more on top of it so I would definitely recommend starting low if you go that route :thumbup:





I've read a little into extracting rue, but that just seems like a lot to learn/buy when I can just be a little nauseous and just boil it. I'll have to just order the extract next time instead of seeds. I'm not doing anymore extracting. DMT is annoying enough haha.

I will keep everyone posted. Maybe 800 MG and 150mg pharma/3.5g rue. That might be my route if I choose to do both.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679233 - 05/14/15 03:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

That would no doubt be very intense, but I guess that is what you are going for :lol:

I have seen 50mg equate to around 1/8th of good cubes to people before, though I am sure it can vary a lot.

I actually started my first rue extraction last night, everything's pretty damn simple so far. Now I just need to base, then collect and wash/ recrystallize.

You can get them for relatively cheap online anyways though like you said, that has kept me from making any myself.

I still have like 5-8 grams of harmine/harmaline mix, pure harmine, and some THH harmine/aline caapi extract :tongue2:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21679251 - 05/14/15 03:14 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

This will be my very first time taking any MAOI. Let's how all goes well andI don't spew all over the place.

One last question. I have no capsules to put my DMT crystal into. Can I just parachute it down in a folded paper towel? Or just mix it in a shot or something?


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    #21679254 - 05/14/15 03:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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So who is 0797547907684345?

Im confused.




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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #21679276 - 05/14/15 03:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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07912043628345122 said:
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So who is 0797547907684345?

Im confused.




:lol:




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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679291 - 05/14/15 03:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe take 2.5 or 3 grams then. Though from what I have read about morning glory those alone can cause some spewage :lol:

Unless the taste bothers you you can just gum it/ swallow it too. Some stuff has a more pronounced unpleasant taste than others, so taking in a shot could be smart.

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679356 - 05/14/15 03:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Quote:

07912043628345122 said:
Quote:

LogicaL Chaos said:
So who is 0797547907684345?

Im confused.




:lol:




I only know him as the numbers haha.




Decided to just become another numerical script of energy on the interwebs .. :thumbup:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ShroomyBudz]
    #21679700 - 05/14/15 04:53 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, still completely confused.

hmmm....maybe we are all just numbers within the cyclical Grand Cosmos that is our Universe (Multiverse?).

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21679733 - 05/14/15 04:59 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Maybe take 2.5 or 3 grams then. Though from what I have read about morning glory those alone can cause some spewage :lol:

Unless the taste bothers you you can just gum it/ swallow it too. Some stuff has a more pronounced unpleasant taste than others, so taking in a shot could be smart.

:shrug:




Do you think it will be an issue to mix it with a shot of alcohol? Or should I use juice or just water?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21679758 - 05/14/15 05:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Alcohol is one of the most important things to avoid with maoi's... A very minute amount is not going to be a problem but who knows how much exactly is too much?

A shot is almost certainly too much, at least I wouldn't risk it. Especially considering you can't tell how potent your seeds are, 3 grams could be a solid maoi dose.

If you want to drink at all I would wait to try it another night perhaps.

If the shot is just to get stuff down use water or juice :shrug:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21679764 - 05/14/15 05:08 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah Bill, go back to the PUB where you belong :shakefist:







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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21679787 - 05/14/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Alcohol is one of the most important things to avoid with maoi's... A very minute amount is not going to be a problem but who knows how much exactly is too much?

A shot is almost certainly too much, at least I wouldn't risk it. Especially considering you can't tell how potent your seeds are, 3 grams could be a solid maoi dose.

If you want to drink at all I would wait to try it another night perhaps.

If the shot is just to get stuff down use water or juice :shrug:




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    #21679799 - 05/14/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah Bill, go back to the PUB where you belong :shakefist:







whoaaa hold your horses there, bud. That was mean seeing as how I was joking around with OP




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    #21679812 - 05/14/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:cheers:

Looking forward to hearing how things go, have a blast :trippinballs:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21680103 - 05/14/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Yeah Bill, go back to the PUB where you belong :shakefist:







whoaaa hold your horses there, bud. That was mean seeing as how I was joking around with OP




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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
    #21680736 - 05/14/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #21682903 - 05/15/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just grinded up my 1000 MG seeds. Man, I'm getting nervous already and the trip isn't until tonight! Pharma + LSA is going to be a wild ride I'm sure. I don't know of anybody ever mixing the two.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21683174 - 05/15/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

i think u might be one of the few who  will.

Make sure to make a full trip report of what haappened.

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21683288 - 05/15/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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i think u might be one of the few who  will.

Make sure to make a full trip report of what haappened.

Im veery curious :strokebeard:





Will do for sure. I plan on taking Dramamine. Will this be an issue while using Maoi?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21683382 - 05/15/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

How much are you planning on taking?

Pharms are dangerous to mix with maois since they can have complex functions in the body.

I couldn't find anything specific about it but either try and find more info or don't risk it I say.

Use some ginger and cannabis or other natural alternatives so you don't have anything to worry about I say.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21683394 - 05/15/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Google dramamine and maoi op, a sketchy experience report comes up saying to avoid it.

Funny thing is he was mixing rue with lsa too to potentiate it but didn't get to try it as a small amount of rue and drmamine Fucked him up...


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21683444 - 05/15/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

OP DO NOT TAKE Pharmacuticles on any MAOI! If you're that worried about nausea go get some ginger candies or maybe even some tums or something.  Dramamine is a horrbly aweful idea.  Hell I Personally wouldn't throw oral DMT into the mix and I consider myself a "Further" sort of person.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21683483 - 05/15/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah pharms are the main things to avoid, besides alcohol and stimulants.

TGA, have you ever tried oral dmt? Seems to me many people have some sort of fear of it, everyone seems to think it is going to be way crazier than it is.

Though how crazy it is is totally up to you, depending how much you dose :shrug:

I think it could combine very well myself, but as I said earlier I like to try things on there own until I "understand" them before mixing usually.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21683514 - 05/15/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

No dramamine, got it. I have weed and I'll go get some ginger to help also. I just know the nausea is going to be out of this world haha.

So I will start with the LSA. half hour later, 3.5g rue. Half hour after that, 200mg dmt in a shot. Good to go?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21683572 - 05/15/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sounds great :thumbup:

I still would perhaps recommend starting with 50-100mg and seeing how that effects you. If it isn't enough you can always eat more or just smoke some on top of it for a boost.

Looking forward to seeing how things go, hope you get taken on a journey Apex :wink:


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    #21683588 - 05/15/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Sounds great :thumbup:

I still would perhaps recommend starting with 50-100mg and seeing how that effects you. If it isn't enough you can always eat more or just smoke some on top of it for a boost.

Looking forward to seeing how things go, hope you get taken on a journey Apex :wink:




I'll try to remember as much as I can. You guys have been a big help in fine-tuning this experience! I hope I come back with some next-level details and whatnot :laugh:

There will probably be a purge involved, I just know it. How long would you say I have to keep it down for in order to get the all of the experience?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21683592 - 05/15/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Actually I've never tried Oral DMT.  I am sincerely afraid of it!  Vaporized DMT on top of MXE (which has a light MAOI action) left me completely bamboozled!  I could NOT imagine 12 hours of that. 

The places that DMT takes me always seems to be "sacred".  It'll probably take me a while to work the courage up to take DMT/Harmalas orally.  4-ACO-DMT/Harmalas left me speechless for 4 hours or so afterwards.  Completely freaked my fiance' out.  Felt like I projected right into that "puzzle box" room and became a part of everything omnidirectionally. 

If Pharmahuasca is more wild than that I'm not sure I'm really ready for something of that magnitude.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21683649 - 05/15/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I am sure you will :mushroom2: though I would not be surprised if remembering most of it proves to be a challenge.

Purging is a very real possibility, I would say you need at least an hour to two to get a nice amount processed, the purge can take a bit to happen as your body works up to it.

I always am hyper connected to my body and can tell I am going to throw up way before I do usually, also it usually happens partway into the experience but that really depends.

How does you stomach fair against other hard things? I generally have an iron stomach but some plants still fuck it up.

I had a feeling TGA! Everyone tries to relate oral dmt to smoked dmt, when in reality they are very different. I compare oral dmt to mushrooms for most people, as it has that same smooth vibe to it and tends to come on in waves somewhat. Smoked dmt is like the opposite, it hits you immediately and is very intense. I always find it hard to process what is happening, oral dmt fixes that as everything flows smoother and gives you plenty of time to process things. Though I have never seen anyone try over 100mg.

Also the 12 hour thing is simply not true, if you took enough maoi's you could make it last that long probably, though it would most likely be 6-8 hours of pretty intense tripping and 2~ hours up and 2~ down

If you take a smaller harmala dose it could be more like 3-5 hours tripping with like 30 minutes to an hour up and down...

DMT is very sacred, that is part of why I feel like smoking it is blasphemous :shrug: you are taking a ancient sacred molecule and smoking it, as apposed to eating it and fully making it one with your body. Smoking just seems like a waste when you look at it like that. Not to mention half of DMT's sacredness comes from its fusion with the harmalas! They are both very ancient and sacred.

Pharma is only as wild as you want it to be. If you are hesitant try 30-40 mg and see how that effects you :shrug:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21683687 - 05/15/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Perhaps one day.  And I've got PLENTY of experience with harmaloids.  But I rarely take them nowadays as its SUCH an intense headspace combined with psychedelics.  Perhaps I should try it again sometime. :shrug:

MXE/DMT was quite awesome I'll go ahead and say.  Really a great combo.  Also, I don't really see Nick Sand's accomplishment of extracting pure forms of subtances as a trivial thing. :shrug:  I feel like it's a completely VALID headpace if approached in a ritualistic way. 

It just seems HEAVY, the idea of it. :lol:  I'm not sure how else to put that.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21683722 - 05/15/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I have yet to try mxe in general, I have heard it mixes wonderfully with psychs though.

I totally get the "heavy thing" but I had this realization recently around psychs, I feel like a big part of why they feel "heavy" or "daunting" is due to fear from the ego.

What do you mean by intense? I find it pretty relaxing, though it does have a very ancient and immense energy to it.

With the Nick's pure substances thing are you referring to smoking it?

I was not trying to downplay smoking deem, it really comes down to how people go into the experience in general.

I just have seen people smoke GRAMS of dmt but when I try to talk them into oral dmt they get all defensive and weird. Smoking through that much magic is such a waste IMO.

You are right about the ritualistic headspace, though I feel like as part of the ritual accepting the drugs fully into your system as apposed to smoking some seems more mystical.

Not to mention who knows how much of the smoke is actually being absorbed, when you eat something you get 100% out of it :shrug:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow] * 1
    #21683731 - 05/15/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

My stomach is pretty much made of cast iron at this point. But I won't hesitate to spew my guts out if it's been long enough and I feel it will help out the trip. I may drop it to 150mg just because I may need to be aware to help people and do activities :p

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21683787 - 05/15/15 04:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Glad to hear it! The purge honestly isn't that bad though I am not sure how the lsa will add to it.

I honestly feel 10x after I purge almost always, even if I was feeling great going into the purge, always is a pick me up of sorts :lol:

If you want to be functioning for activities you may want to try an even lower dose man, I have seen people pretty incapacitated off of as low as 50mg.

Though I am sure you are less sensitive than that person, he rarely touches psychs.

LSA is pretty ancient and sacred on it's own, as are the harmalas and tryptamines so you should be stoked!

Just make sure to thank nature/ the universe and be grateful for such an opportunity! Though I am sure you are

Let us know how the view is from up there :wink: :cloud9:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21684223 - 05/15/15 06:20 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Found a good source on the dietary restrictions involving MAOI.

http://www.ayahuasca.com/science/what-foods-and-drugs-need-to-be-avoided/

I'm having a Mountain Dew right now, but I'll have more than enough time to get this caffeine out of my system in time. I'm good to go as far as everything else is concerned!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21684247 - 05/15/15 06:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Interesting link, they claim that rue is a more potent maoi then caapii:confused:

I think they might mean more potent as in rue can have up to 6% harmalas, but caapii has a wider spectrum of harmalas in it...

I think the sugar and processed crap will prove more detrimental than the caffeine, probably increase you chances to purge at the very least.

Sounds like you have prepped pretty well, you are making me want to take some pharma :crazy2: if I hadn't of eaten kratom today already I would be pretty dang tempted...


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21684345 - 05/15/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Wish you were joining me in my voyage, brother! We'll meet in hyperspace one day, I'm sure :]


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21684364 - 05/15/15 07:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Good luck on youe voyage of unknown destinations!

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare] * 1
    #21684382 - 05/15/15 07:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

One day indeed brother! :smile:

I second LC :awesomenod:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420] * 1
    #21685139 - 05/15/15 10:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ok. LSA has been consumed. No clue how I am gong to keep this rue down in ten minutes. Vomit is a coming.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21685188 - 05/15/15 11:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Maybe wait until after you purge from the lsa to progress?

Also have you made any ginger tea or anything?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21685214 - 05/15/15 11:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I bought some ginger but I think it was bad... I don't know shit about ginger ok! But my asian friend does, so he saved my life.

I accidentally boiled all of the water out of the pan with the rue.so I need to prepare more.

Do you think I should purge the LSA? After how long?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21685408 - 05/16/15 12:06 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I was waiting for a reply, but I guess I'll just try to stomach this rue now haha. WISH ME LUCK!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21685420 - 05/16/15 12:12 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Sorry man, I just got back from the store! Sounds like you made the right decision.

It would be pretty hard timing waiting long enough for the mg to absorb before purging to take the harmalas.

Safe travels friend, and goodluck stomaching it all :thumbup:

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21685437 - 05/16/15 12:16 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

The rue is down. My god. It is very hard to not hurl right now. Took rue at 2:09.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21685450 - 05/16/15 12:18 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

So the ginger is a no go? Any cannabis or anything to help relax you and settle your stomach?

Rue is some intense stuff for sure, plant brews of alkaloids almost never are pleasant :puke:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21685463 - 05/16/15 12:23 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Quote:

musiclover420 said:
So the ginger is a no go? Any cannabis or anything to help relax you and settle your stomach?

Rue is some intense stuff for sure, plant brews of alkaloids almost never are pleasant :puke:




Yeah I definitely smoked, thank god. I will have to work on packing another bowl here, not cool. LSA is rough as fuck.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21685480 - 05/16/15 12:27 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Try an extraction next time, it is really the seeds/ other things that make it so rough. Same for the rue for the most part.

Depending on the person though some people manage to get pretty lit with minimal nausea :shrug: I am sure there are a lot of factors.

I hope you have a good time Apex, just pull through that initial nausea and hopefully will have a blast!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21685504 - 05/16/15 12:34 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ten minutes until I can drop the Deems.

I did a CWE on the seeds. I may be over exaggerating the nausea. But it's a little better now that the rue is down honestly. Still feel full as fuck.

Hoping for the best still!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21685514 - 05/16/15 12:40 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You seem to be typing pretty damn well so it can't be that bad! CWE is the way to go unless you want to do a full blown extract.

I wish you the best too man!
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Can't wait to read how things go whenever you get around to it :thumbup:

I love the positive outlook harmalas tend to give me, enjoy your time in this ancient sacred headspace!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21685765 - 05/16/15 02:46 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Good vibes!

Do you already feel the rue adding another psychedelic edge to the LSA experience?

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Pandemoon]
    #21685781 - 05/16/15 02:54 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Good vibes indeed! I am interested to know as well, I have read some intense reports from just lsa and harmalas, I imagine it was a pretty damn interesting come up!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21686421 - 05/16/15 09:44 AM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well, its been 9 hours since ApexAndy posted....

I wonder what happened :lol:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 1
    #21686943 - 05/16/15 12:37 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Well, its been 9 hours since ApexAndy posted....

I wonder what happened :lol:



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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Chief Kief] * 1
    #21687424 - 05/16/15 03:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:trippinbawelz: :vibin: :feelsjohngoodman: & :mindblown:

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: madmodder] * 1
    #21687462 - 05/16/15 03:45 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:whathesaid:

Yeah I am sure he is just resting up hopefully, I imagine a combo like that to be pretty draining on the mind/ body.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21687673 - 05/16/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah that's because it can be...  I know you simply CANNOT fight harmalalas when the groove starts it on your gut.  You simply have to sink in.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21687686 - 05/16/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Care to explain exactly what you mean? Are you talking about the nausea?

Or just giving into the experience?


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21687932 - 05/16/15 06:47 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

It kind of always went hand in hand.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
    #21687967 - 05/16/15 06:58 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

"give into the nausea"

:wizard:


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21691567 - 05/17/15 05:50 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

that shit fucked him up if you havent seen his new post then here http://www.shroomery.org/forums/showflat.php/Number/21690809/gonew/1#UNREAD


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: thewanderer25]
    #21691644 - 05/17/15 06:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Thanks! I meant to look around and see if he made a new thread but spaced it and just kept waiting for an update here :doh:


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You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by

I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21692022 - 05/17/15 07:36 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Poor Andy/Apex

Pushed the limits too damn far :nonono:


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] * 2
    #21692038 - 05/17/15 07:42 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

:badmanthisfeels:

At least he is alright!

Psychs teach hard lessons, but then again so does life/ the universe :shrug:


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I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me

I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free



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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
    #21699307 - 05/19/15 05:33 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

At least the lesson is one he gets to learn to not experience again.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Godfather1376] * 2
    #21699515 - 05/19/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I'd like to see the first post of this thread edited with a disclaimer that the OP nearly died and had to be placed on a breathing machine at the hospital.  I'm glad he's still alive but this whole thread glorifies a deadly experiment and should be labeled as such.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: BigHeart] * 1
    #21699523 - 05/19/15 06:28 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd like to see the first post of this thread edited with a disclaimer that the OP nearly died and had to be placed on a breathing machine at the hospital.  I'm glad he's still alive but this whole thread glorifies a deadly experiment and should be labeled as such.




You're absolutely right. I definitely want people to steer clear of this combination. I will edit this post accordingly. Thank you!


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21699621 - 05/19/15 06:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I'd like to see the first post of this thread edited with a disclaimer that the OP nearly died and had to be placed on a breathing machine at the hospital.  I'm glad he's still alive but this whole thread glorifies a deadly experiment and should be labeled as such.




You're absolutely right. I definitely want people to steer clear of this combination. I will edit this post accordingly. Thank you!




Just glad you're alright man, and don't want someone else to get any ideas ya know


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21699679 - 05/19/15 07:05 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Absolutely. I was always under the false impression that these drugs were impossible to die from/cause any serious injury. I really hope any others that think like I did can learn from this.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21699749 - 05/19/15 07:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Yeah, it was the Rue. MAOIs can be dangerous. you see disclaimers on Erowid about MAOIs and to be careful worth it.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
    #21699774 - 05/19/15 07:27 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Cops took everything but the rue. That fucking rue. I tossed it anyway. That was my first and last time ever using it.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
    #21700496 - 05/19/15 11:09 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I think the LSA played a large part in it.  My own experience with 12 seeds of HBWR had me floored on the floor literally, felt like I was paralyzed and couldn't talk nor walk.  I thought I was possibly going to die, breathing was hard and my heart beat felt weird.  Sorry to say it but I'd rather do RC drugs from china before I'd touch that stuff again... with one caveat... I think LSA seeds might be "OK" in low doses, like really low doses, and not as a "trip" trip per se, but more as an enhancer for the day. 

I'm not trying to get up on my high horse and say "I told you all so" but I had said in a thread not too long ago my feelings about the dangers of vasoconstriction with LSA and this has proven my worst fears to come true.  I'd hate to see anyone die from just wanting to enlighten or expand their selves by using entheogens so I feel it's especially important for us all to emphasize the inherent dangers present with some of these.  I'm sure the Rue amplified the problems but I can't stress enough how much of an effect LSA can have on otherwise healthy people, both my girlfriend and I felt like we were poisoned and dying after doing a CWE of HBWR so play at your own risk people.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21700537 - 05/19/15 11:17 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Well I for one feel irresponsible for not making it more clear how bad MAOI's such as harm solids can protentiate any psychedelic.  for that OP I'm truly sorry.  Never say never my friend! I just hope in the future to mention any pre-existing medical conditions while tripping ( such as problems breathing).  Info like that(specifically in this case) could have made al the difference. 

I hope you find some shred of your sanity and move forward man.  That's all to be done from this point out.


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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: BigHeart]
    #21700575 - 05/19/15 11:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

after having multiple overdoses on a wide range of shit im just putting this out their that you can pick to live or die when your that far gone (not all the time but if you wanted to die your more likely to)
I took a bunch of adearal with DXM and liquor and i rember thinking i was talking to my dead friend and she was telling me if you want to die then take my hand it only hurts a little ill show you how im here to bring you with me i said i don't want to die she said if you dont then ask god to let you stay
it was crazy because i did die they brought me back on the way to the hospital and my friend sayed i passed out on the floor and mumbled i don't want to die it turns out i had a heart attack from all the speed pills mixed with the alcohol i could feel my heart beat irregular i was only 16 at the time... dark memories


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