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ApexNightmare
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420] 1
#21679787 - 05/14/15 05:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Alcohol is one of the most important things to avoid with maoi's... A very minute amount is not going to be a problem but who knows how much exactly is too much?
A shot is almost certainly too much, at least I wouldn't risk it. Especially considering you can't tell how potent your seeds are, 3 grams could be a solid maoi dose.
If you want to drink at all I would wait to try it another night perhaps.
If the shot is just to get stuff down use water or juice 
Five shrooms for the help my brother! Pharma is a go!
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21679799 - 05/14/15 05:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Yeah Bill, go back to the PUB where you belong 
whoaaa hold your horses there, bud. That was mean seeing as how I was joking around with OP
Bill. You and me at the flagpole. 3:00. Be there!
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
#21679812 - 05/14/15 05:19 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Looking forward to hearing how things go, have a blast
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
#21680103 - 05/14/15 06:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Yeah Bill, go back to the PUB where you belong 
whoaaa hold your horses there, bud. That was mean seeing as how I was joking around with OP
Bill. You and me at the flagpole. 3:00. Be there!
or be square!
-------------------- Something there is mysteriously formed, Existing before Heaven and Earth, Silent, still, standing alone, unchanging, All-pervading, unfailing, I do not know its name; I call it tao. If forced to give it a name, I call it Great (ta). Being great, it flows out; Flowing out means far-reaching; Being far-reaching, it is said to return. It's just a shot away..
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: Bill_Oreilly]
#21680736 - 05/14/15 08:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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And dont forget the ducktape!
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos] 2
#21682903 - 05/15/15 12:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Just grinded up my 1000 MG seeds. Man, I'm getting nervous already and the trip isn't until tonight! Pharma + LSA is going to be a wild ride I'm sure. I don't know of anybody ever mixing the two.
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
#21683174 - 05/15/15 01:35 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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i think u might be one of the few who will.
Make sure to make a full trip report of what haappened.
Im veery curious
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: LogicaL Chaos]
#21683288 - 05/15/15 02:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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LogicaL Chaos said: i think u might be one of the few who will.
Make sure to make a full trip report of what haappened.
Im veery curious 
Will do for sure. I plan on taking Dramamine. Will this be an issue while using Maoi?
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
#21683382 - 05/15/15 02:38 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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How much are you planning on taking?
Pharms are dangerous to mix with maois since they can have complex functions in the body.
I couldn't find anything specific about it but either try and find more info or don't risk it I say.
Use some ginger and cannabis or other natural alternatives so you don't have anything to worry about I say.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
#21683394 - 05/15/15 02:41 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Google dramamine and maoi op, a sketchy experience report comes up saying to avoid it.
Funny thing is he was mixing rue with lsa too to potentiate it but didn't get to try it as a small amount of rue and drmamine Fucked him up...
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
#21683444 - 05/15/15 02:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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OP DO NOT TAKE Pharmacuticles on any MAOI! If you're that worried about nausea go get some ginger candies or maybe even some tums or something. Dramamine is a horrbly aweful idea. Hell I Personally wouldn't throw oral DMT into the mix and I consider myself a "Further" sort of person.
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#21683483 - 05/15/15 03:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Yeah pharms are the main things to avoid, besides alcohol and stimulants.
TGA, have you ever tried oral dmt? Seems to me many people have some sort of fear of it, everyone seems to think it is going to be way crazier than it is.
Though how crazy it is is totally up to you, depending how much you dose 
I think it could combine very well myself, but as I said earlier I like to try things on there own until I "understand" them before mixing usually.
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
#21683514 - 05/15/15 03:10 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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No dramamine, got it. I have weed and I'll go get some ginger to help also. I just know the nausea is going to be out of this world haha.
So I will start with the LSA. half hour later, 3.5g rue. Half hour after that, 200mg dmt in a shot. Good to go?
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
#21683572 - 05/15/15 03:26 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Sounds great 
I still would perhaps recommend starting with 50-100mg and seeing how that effects you. If it isn't enough you can always eat more or just smoke some on top of it for a boost.
Looking forward to seeing how things go, hope you get taken on a journey Apex
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
#21683588 - 05/15/15 03:30 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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musiclover420 said: Sounds great 
I still would perhaps recommend starting with 50-100mg and seeing how that effects you. If it isn't enough you can always eat more or just smoke some on top of it for a boost.
Looking forward to seeing how things go, hope you get taken on a journey Apex 
I'll try to remember as much as I can. You guys have been a big help in fine-tuning this experience! I hope I come back with some next-level details and whatnot
There will probably be a purge involved, I just know it. How long would you say I have to keep it down for in order to get the all of the experience?
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
#21683592 - 05/15/15 03:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Actually I've never tried Oral DMT. I am sincerely afraid of it! Vaporized DMT on top of MXE (which has a light MAOI action) left me completely bamboozled! I could NOT imagine 12 hours of that.
The places that DMT takes me always seems to be "sacred". It'll probably take me a while to work the courage up to take DMT/Harmalas orally. 4-ACO-DMT/Harmalas left me speechless for 4 hours or so afterwards. Completely freaked my fiance' out. Felt like I projected right into that "puzzle box" room and became a part of everything omnidirectionally.
If Pharmahuasca is more wild than that I'm not sure I'm really ready for something of that magnitude.
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: ApexNightmare]
#21683649 - 05/15/15 03:46 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I am sure you will though I would not be surprised if remembering most of it proves to be a challenge.
Purging is a very real possibility, I would say you need at least an hour to two to get a nice amount processed, the purge can take a bit to happen as your body works up to it.
I always am hyper connected to my body and can tell I am going to throw up way before I do usually, also it usually happens partway into the experience but that really depends.
How does you stomach fair against other hard things? I generally have an iron stomach but some plants still fuck it up.
I had a feeling TGA! Everyone tries to relate oral dmt to smoked dmt, when in reality they are very different. I compare oral dmt to mushrooms for most people, as it has that same smooth vibe to it and tends to come on in waves somewhat. Smoked dmt is like the opposite, it hits you immediately and is very intense. I always find it hard to process what is happening, oral dmt fixes that as everything flows smoother and gives you plenty of time to process things. Though I have never seen anyone try over 100mg.
Also the 12 hour thing is simply not true, if you took enough maoi's you could make it last that long probably, though it would most likely be 6-8 hours of pretty intense tripping and 2~ hours up and 2~ down
If you take a smaller harmala dose it could be more like 3-5 hours tripping with like 30 minutes to an hour up and down...
DMT is very sacred, that is part of why I feel like smoking it is blasphemous you are taking a ancient sacred molecule and smoking it, as apposed to eating it and fully making it one with your body. Smoking just seems like a waste when you look at it like that. Not to mention half of DMT's sacredness comes from its fusion with the harmalas! They are both very ancient and sacred.
Pharma is only as wild as you want it to be. If you are hesitant try 30-40 mg and see how that effects you
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: musiclover420]
#21683687 - 05/15/15 03:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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Perhaps one day. And I've got PLENTY of experience with harmaloids. But I rarely take them nowadays as its SUCH an intense headspace combined with psychedelics. Perhaps I should try it again sometime. 
MXE/DMT was quite awesome I'll go ahead and say. Really a great combo. Also, I don't really see Nick Sand's accomplishment of extracting pure forms of subtances as a trivial thing. I feel like it's a completely VALID headpace if approached in a ritualistic way.
It just seems HEAVY, the idea of it. I'm not sure how else to put that.
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow]
#21683722 - 05/15/15 04:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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I have yet to try mxe in general, I have heard it mixes wonderfully with psychs though.
I totally get the "heavy thing" but I had this realization recently around psychs, I feel like a big part of why they feel "heavy" or "daunting" is due to fear from the ego.
What do you mean by intense? I find it pretty relaxing, though it does have a very ancient and immense energy to it.
With the Nick's pure substances thing are you referring to smoking it?
I was not trying to downplay smoking deem, it really comes down to how people go into the experience in general.
I just have seen people smoke GRAMS of dmt but when I try to talk them into oral dmt they get all defensive and weird. Smoking through that much magic is such a waste IMO.
You are right about the ritualistic headspace, though I feel like as part of the ritual accepting the drugs fully into your system as apposed to smoking some seems more mystical.
Not to mention who knows how much of the smoke is actually being absorbed, when you eat something you get 100% out of it
-------------------- Don't worry about me, I've got all that I need. And I'm singing my song to the sky You know how it feels, With the breeze of the sun in your eyes. Not minding that time's passing by I've got all and more, My smile, just as before. Is all that I carry with me I talk to myself, I need nobody else. I'm lost and I'm mine, yes I'm free
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Re: Four people, four different psychedelics + Rue and MJ. [Re: TheGreenArrow] 1
#21683731 - 05/15/15 04:06 PM (8 years, 8 months ago) |
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My stomach is pretty much made of cast iron at this point. But I won't hesitate to spew my guts out if it's been long enough and I feel it will help out the trip. I may drop it to 150mg just because I may need to be aware to help people and do activities :p
Nervous, yet stoked!
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