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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: Mad_Larkin]
    #21679711 - 05/14/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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this thread is fucking hilarious




Many of them are.

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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21679713 - 05/14/15 04:55 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Ok, man.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21679744 - 05/14/15 05:01 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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No. While I don't ban smokers (and in fact I make it clear to incoming tenants that both tobacco and pot smoke are things they'll be wasting their time talking to me about) it's the owners prerogative to allow/disallow what he or she wishes. Tenants that disagree should look elsewhere if they value their security deposit.




i agree with everything but the "no" part. not "no".

how about "what the owner doesn't know won't hurt him, and if i get evicted, too bad for me, but smoking should be allowed in one's residence because that's one's residence."

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Their residence, my building, my rules. Tenants that disagree should look elsewhere if they value their security deposit.




same tune.

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Nope. Doesn't work that way. I suspect if you were a landlord you'd soon be singing a different tune.




and i suppose if you had a different tune to sing yourself? explain why the person shouldn't be allowed to smoke, given when there is no clause of no smoking on the lease. tell me why it's not allowed in the first place. because as far as i can tell smoking hurts no one but the smoker, and if it's not hurting anyone else, how can this be illegal being justified by RATIONAL reasoning? i mean, rational reasoning, not codified nonsense.

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The rules exist for a reason. That reason is people trash the property of others. People disrespect their neighbors. In short, people all too frequently act like assholes.




explain how smoking trashes property. i'm not sure i'm clued in on this aspect. and how is smoking disrespecting your neighbors? i smoke, and my smoke doesn't effect anyone, and no one can say shit, even if they wanted to. because it's not their business what i do in my home. :shrug: i can understand if your in an apartment and you smoke this dank smelly substance 24/7 and hotbox your apartment like somekind of Rastafarian trust fund kid. but if there is no excess smoke of any kind, how is this effecting anyone, other than them maybe catching a whiff of the smell? i mean, in this instance, a little smell i mean, this smell can hardly be detectable. like i walk past homes, people are smoking... i don't go up to them and complain. :shrug: because it's none of my concern.

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Nice, but many people aren't honorable.

My lease used to be a single page. No longer, it's now multi-paged. Why? Because too many people are assholes. It's that sad old story... the few ruin it for the many. It costs too much to revamp an apartment just because you think landlords should be pushovers.




re-vamp? i must be missing something here. how much fucking smoke are we talking here, where you have the walls being stripped of paint, and the floorboards coming up and whatever have you... i mean, really now, we must be talking insane chainsmoker's right? not a little pot.

but yeah, know that i realize how big asshole's people are and especially to their landlords and neighbor's.

but as far as i can tell, we're talking about a smell here... not a fucking cascade of smoke bellowing from someone's abode.

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No, it's a talking out the ass problem. It's why I'd never give legal advice to someone from another country. Odds are, like in this thread, it would be piss-poor advice.



yeah, but this isn't a legal advise thread. it's a "vent" thread.

you take his comments as a stretch WAY out of his post's actual content.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: TopPmz]
    #21679751 - 05/14/15 05:03 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Ok, man.



you should have just went with a emoticon.
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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21679783 - 05/14/15 05:11 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

No, because I could argue with you til we're both blue in the face, but I recognize that its pointless.
My "ok, man" expressed this^ to my satisfaction.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: TopPmz]
    #21679796 - 05/14/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

You know by not having the last word you're admitting your unconditional surrender and actively acknowledging Canadian superiority right? Its rule 43 of internet engagements.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: TopPmz]
    #21679798 - 05/14/15 05:15 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

you started it, though, just remember. :highfive:


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: Bodhi of Ankou]
    #21679822 - 05/14/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I started a different argument with you though. You started this one. I only started this one with Bodhi, and you had to go all "Canadians Unite!" on us.
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You know by not having the last word you're admitting your unconditional surrender and actively acknowledging Canadian superiority right? Its rule 43 of internet engagements.



Haha, fair enough.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21679824 - 05/14/15 05:21 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

no ur a pussy


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: TopPmz]
    #21679848 - 05/14/15 05:25 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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I started a different argument with you though. You started this one. I only started this one with Bodhi, and you had to go all "Canadians Unite!" on us.




Holy Crows! whoa now. Canadian's DO NOT stick together. it's code.

you combined the arguments, didn't ya? i thought I kept them separate. like a true Canadian. :snub:

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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21679875 - 05/14/15 05:31 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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No. While I don't ban smokers (and in fact I make it clear to incoming tenants that both tobacco and pot smoke are things they'll be wasting their time talking to me about) it's the owners prerogative to allow/disallow what he or she wishes. Tenants that disagree should look elsewhere if they value their security deposit.




i agree with everything but the "no" part. not "no".  Tough. My building, my rules

how about "what the owner doesn't know won't hurt him, and if i get evicted, too bad for me, but smoking should be allowed in one's residence because that's one's residence." Then your deposit would quickly become part of my retirement fund. Thanks!

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Their residence, my building, my rules. Tenants that disagree should look elsewhere if they value their security deposit.




same tune.

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Nope. Doesn't work that way. I suspect if you were a landlord you'd soon be singing a different tune.




and i suppose if you had a different tune to sing yourself? explain why the person shouldn't be allowed to smoke, given when there is no clause of no smoking on the lease. There is a no smoking clause in the OP's lease.tell me why it's not allowed in the first place. Because his landlord wishes itbecause as far as i can tell smoking hurts no one but the smoker, and if it's not hurting anyone else, how can this be illegal being justified by RATIONAL reasoning? i mean, rational reasoning, not codified nonsense. A landlord is free to put just about anything legal into a lease.

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The rules exist for a reason. That reason is people trash the property of others. People disrespect their neighbors. In short, people all too frequently act like assholes.




explain how smoking trashes property. i'm not sure i'm clued in on this aspect. and how is smoking disrespecting your neighbors? i smoke, and my smoke doesn't effect anyone, and no one can say shit, even if they wanted to. because it's not their business what i do in my home. :shrug: i can understand if your in an apartment and you smoke this dank smelly substance 24/7 and hotbox your apartment like somekind of Rastafarian trust fund kid. but if there is no excess smoke of any kind, how is this effecting anyone, other than them maybe catching a whiff of the smell? i mean, in this instance, a little smell i mean, this smell can hardly be detectable. like i walk past homes, people are smoking... i don't go up to them and complain. :shrug: because it's none of my concern.

Burns in flooring. Burns in countertops. Yellowing paint. The stink. And I didn't say smoking was disrespecting your neighbors.

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Nice, but many people aren't honorable.

My lease used to be a single page. No longer, it's now multi-paged. Why? Because too many people are assholes. It's that sad old story... the few ruin it for the many. It costs too much to revamp an apartment just because you think landlords should be pushovers.




re-vamp? i must be missing something here. how much fucking smoke are we talking here, where you have the walls being stripped of paint, and the floorboards coming up and whatever have you... i mean, really now, we must be talking insane chainsmoker's right? not a little pot.

but yeah, know that i realize how big asshole's people are and especially to their landlords and neighbor's.

but as far as i can tell, we're talking about a smell here... not a fucking cascade of smoke bellowing from someone's abode.

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No, it's a talking out the ass problem. It's why I'd never give legal advice to someone from another country. Odds are, like in this thread, it would be piss-poor advice.



yeah, but this isn't a legal advise thread. it's a "vent" thread.

you take his comments as a stretch WAY out of his post's actual content.




If you say so. Yet many in it gave "legal" advice. Completely wrong, but that often doesn't stop people.

At the end of it all, it's up to the landlord what he allows and disallows. I make the rules very clear to my tenants. If they don't like my rules, they can live elsewhere because if they violate them... they are out.

Feel free to buy a building and set your own rules. Or buy a house and live under your own rules. As it's my building and my risk, tenants that think they can do as they wish won't last long.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: trippinballs420]
    #21679876 - 05/14/15 05:32 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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no ur a pussy



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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: r00tuuu123]
    #21679952 - 05/14/15 05:52 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Then your deposit would quickly become part of my retirement fund. Thanks!




you aren't going to logic me into agreeing with you. so what, you're the landlord? you're SOOOOO special. you can make the rules. i say, though, fuck your ho-hum rules. :smile: i'd gladly help your retirement fund if i had to, just so you could hopefully die quicker. get jogging pants.
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Burns in flooring. Burns in countertops. Yellowing paint. The stink. And I didn't say smoking was disrespecting your neighbors.




we're talking Tobacco, right? or Weed too?

that's got to be a lot of weed. i didn't see that ever happen in 7 years of living in my last place. :shrug:

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A landlord is free to put just about anything legal into a lease.



yeah i gathered you'd just avoid the question; i said: "what RATIONAL REASONS within a just cause". you give me paint and property damage; find, i'll accept that, but are we talking cigarette smoke here, too? of course, cigarette smoke has a worse staining problem than any weed would. weed doesn't stain, not that fashion; so what are you getting at with the above question earlier?

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If you say so. Yet many in it gave "legal" advice. Completely wrong, but that often doesn't stop people.

At the end of it all, it's up to the landlord what he allows and disallows. I make the rules very clear to my tenants. If they don't like my rules, they can live elsewhere because if they violate them... they are out.

Feel free to buy a building and set your own rules. Or buy a house and live under your own rules. As it's my building and my risk, tenants that think they can do as they wish won't last long.





what's this red mean, i'm treading on dangerous turf or something?

yes, i get it, Faulkner. buy your own buildings than you can set your rules, and... oh wait, what about the fact of smoking weed doesn't stain anything? or the fact that simply blowing it out or smoking in small amounts,... or even just using a scent to cover up any smell; what about the fact that there are solutions to the smell, and that you beating around doesn't matter then; because then it's just meandering crap? what does smoking WEED do to an interior of a room? i need to know.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21680019 - 05/14/15 06:07 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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yeah i gathered you'd just avoid the question




Seeing as in that same reply I said "Burns in flooring. Burns in countertops. Yellowing paint. The stink.", how was the question avoided?


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; i said: "what RATIONAL REASONS within a just cause". you give me paint and property damage; find, i'll accept that, but are we talking cigarette smoke here, too?




Of course. No smoking would mean just what it says.


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what's this red mean, i'm treading on dangerous turf or something?




The red means I didn't feel like dicking with the formatting. Have you been drinking?


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yes, i get it, Faulkner. buy your own buildings than you can set your rules, and... oh wait, what about the fact of smoking weed doesn't stain anything? or the fact that simply blowing it out or smoking in small amounts,... or even just using a scent to cover up any smell; what about the fact that there are solutions to the smell, and that you beating around doesn't matter then; because then it's just meandering crap? what does smoking WEED do to an interior of a room?




The same things cigs do. Or do you think dropped joints don't leave burns?  :lmafo:

You're a character. None of your points in that last paragraph matter. The lease does. The tenants word should matter as well. The attitudes you express are why there are so many rules in leases.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #21680035 - 05/14/15 06:12 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The red means I didn't feel like dicking with the formatting. Have you been drinking?




you didn't need to dick with the bottom part though, no, you just had to though; you had to do it separately, God knows why.


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The tenants word should matter as well.




you mean of a smell? ok, then no cooking smells. i hate being turned off from my high with food, you just lose the fuckin' high, damn it. but yeah, i smell that shit, some of it makes me want to puke. so put that in the lease please, because everyone is getting tired of that shit. garlic is bad enough, but curry beef... SHUT THE BUILDING DOWN.

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Or do you think dropped joints don't leave burns?




that's not because of smoking per se, isn't it? because it's because of dangerous fire-hazards, that could also be applied to ... hmm... coCOOKING too, no!? get on that shit. no more cooking in the building, i don't want to get burned. :snub:


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21680056 - 05/14/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The red means I didn't feel like dicking with the formatting. Have you been drinking?




you didn't need to dick with the bottom part though, no, you just had to though; you had to do it separately, God knows why.




I always respond that way. Don't like it? Don't read it. Whining about it will change nothing.


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The tenants word should matter as well.




you mean of a smell? ok, then no cooking smells. i hate being turned off from my high with food, you just lose the fuckin' high, damn it. but yeah, i smell that shit, some of it makes me want to puke. so put that in the lease please, because everyone is getting tired of that shit. garlic is bad enough, but curry beef... SHUT THE BUILDING DOWN.




If no cooking was part of the lease, it'd matter as well. Really, your argument there was just pure stupidity.

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Or do you think dropped joints don't leave burns?




that's not because of smoking per se, isn't it? because it's because of dangerous fire-hazards, that could also be applied to ... hmm... coCOOKING too, no!? get on that shit. no more cooking in the building, i don't want to get burned. :snub:




We can resume this when you're sober enough to make rational arguments if you'd like.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21680061 - 05/14/15 06:16 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

Just kiss already the sexual tension in here is overwhelming


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: akira_akuma]
    #21680070 - 05/14/15 06:18 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

I dunno I'm a smoker and don't smoke indoors. I think it's gross. I've had quite a few people tell me you can smoke in here. No thanks I'd rather just go outside why not.


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: Moonshoe] * 3
    #21680091 - 05/14/15 06:23 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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Would you kiss this:


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Re: Neighbors who slam their doors because they take issue with pot smoke [Re: luvdemshrooms] * 1
    #21680113 - 05/14/15 06:29 PM (8 years, 8 months ago)

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The red means I didn't feel like dicking with the formatting. Have you been drinking?




you didn't need to dick with the bottom part though, no, you just had to though; you had to do it separately, God knows why.




I always respond that way. Don't like it? Don't read it. Whining about it will change nothing.


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The tenants word should matter as well.




you mean of a smell? ok, then no cooking smells. i hate being turned off from my high with food, you just lose the fuckin' high, damn it. but yeah, i smell that shit, some of it makes me want to puke. so put that in the lease please, because everyone is getting tired of that shit. garlic is bad enough, but curry beef... SHUT THE BUILDING DOWN.




If no cooking was part of the lease, it'd matter as well. Really, your argument there was just pure stupidity.

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Or do you think dropped joints don't leave burns?




that's not because of smoking per se, isn't it? because it's because of dangerous fire-hazards, that could also be applied to ... hmm... coCOOKING too, no!? get on that shit. no more cooking in the building, i don't want to get burned. :snub:




We can resume this when you're sober enough to make rational arguments if you'd like.



look, i am telling you Jimbobhope. you don't get it. everyone is sick of the cooking smells. you gotta put it on the lease "NO COOKING SMELLS", otherwise a petition is gonna go around. if you don't stop the cooking smells, you'll lose alot of security deposits then.

the argument is rational. you can't stop with the line drawing; if you're gonna call burn marks "smoke damage" and not "fire damage", then your clause is faulty.

smoke damage is what constitutes staining, smells, i mean if it's hot enough sure, burn damage, but we both know that cigarette smoke doesn't even get that hot. and weed smoke does none of those things. so this isn't a "smoking issue"; however, than, this might be a "fire issue", but not a smoke issue. fire damage can occur from simply dropping a smoke but so can it occur with cooking... also so can it occur in the case of smoke damage too. and if they're separate issues, then clearly cooking can cause just as much and even more damage, then the SINGLE instance of 'SMOKING'. clearly then this is an issue.

because you've got two clause's here, and logically one doesn't naturally infer the other automatically, one has to burn something for there to be burn damage; and one has to smoke out a large portion of smoke to cause smoke damage, which smoking substances for recreation simply doesn't do, no, this would be more of a cooking hazard. so in the end, cooking seems more inertly dangerous/damaging/and it usually smells bad too. how do we solve this problem? i need to talk to your superior's or if you own the property, then seriously... put it in the clause, it only makes sense. if the potential to drop a cigarette is in the clauses, i'm sure so must their be a clause for cooking being dangerous to my health.

or would you rather just be sensible and let people do what they want?

but not in the case of smoking, because "you say so".

but why?


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