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OfflineRebelutionsssss
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Worried about my friend
    #21662962 - 05/10/15 09:16 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

He's getting pretty deep into cocaine and opiates. I still do a lot of acid and some cocaine but he's been going through a ball a weekend and still does more on the weekdays. All he talks about is coke now and I think he's starting to get a problem and use these without disregard. I want to talk to him but he's just going to see me as a hypocrit. Ideas?


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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21662966 - 05/10/15 09:18 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

Can't help someone who doesn't want to be helped. :shrug: Sometimes that's hard to accept, but IMO it's a waste of your time and effort to try and change people like that. IME it actually only drives them further into that addiction.


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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21662992 - 05/10/15 09:26 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

I tried to do everything in my power for a friend that got hooked on heroin. Called his parents and everything. Shroomslip is right though, theres literally nothing you can do until he's ready to help himself


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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: Shroomslip]
    #21663000 - 05/10/15 09:28 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

It's like we'll just be sitting around having a few beers and all he can say is "damn, some coke would be fucking great right now" or just integrate blow into the conversation no matter what it is :sad: so do I just give up and let him dig himself deeper?


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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21663007 - 05/10/15 09:29 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

I agree with Shroomslip for the most part.  If it were me, I would try to sneak in a conversation about it at least once though.  Don't get all preachy about it, but remind him where that path leads.
Not much else you can do.

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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: Rebelutionsssss]
    #21663034 - 05/10/15 09:35 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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Rebelutionsssss said:
It's like we'll just be sitting around having a few beers and all he can say is "damn, some coke would be fucking great right now" or just integrate blow into the conversation no matter what it is :sad: so do I just give up and let him dig himself deeper?



You don't have to give up on him ever getting clean, but trying to make him change just simply won't work. A lot of addicts do want to quit but don't feel strong enough to do it. You can approach the subject in a delicate supporting way. Ask him if he's ever thought about quitting, if he has, tell him you'd be glad to be there for him and help him do it. Have him come to you if he feels like he may end up using again and then it's your job to try and find something to get his mind off of using. Easier said than done though.

Any conversation that starts with you saying anything this his mind would construe as him being a worthless piece of shit addict, will go badly though. Sad to say, that's where most roads lead. It's not about what you're saying, it's about how he takes it, and why it's difficult to get someone to objectively look at their addiction for what it is.. Most of the time it just comes across as a personal attack. 


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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: stupid adage]
    #21663109 - 05/10/15 09:51 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

one of the biggest drags is the talk about drug use.  so much of it is just a 'hey, done some ____ the other day."  ya' know?  maybe cool and all to flashback to that hi time, but some talk misses any real connection to conversing of such thing.  but, heck, these drugs can be used for so many different reasons and whose to say what is the correct way to use and speak of a drug and what manner is wrong?  politics and religion game there.  the words just spread the vibe of what at root.

maybe your friend does see use of as a problem and expresses himself at times for the other to feel the dis.ease he himself feels.  by bringing up the topic at times that is a buzz kill to well vibes, maybe an underlying truth to what he feels about such.  passing along the vibes.  who knows?  but do have experience and seen among me mother that if Love is truely attached to what drug use be into at the time, she could see past the drug and hit home at heart.  the euphoria, nirvana, enlightenment drugs can bring about are wonderful feelings that keep purpose to the drugs existence.  addiction to is another thing of use.

there is a lot of learning of oneself who indulges into that personal satisfaction of habitual drug use.  some friends don't understand the changes of the person who chooses to use substance continuosly and can see has bad/negative to the user.  on the flip side, there are many people out in the world that still will have well thoughts of friends and his action.  the lessons user will learn as an individual are very much an independent happening that within oneself that maybe at lose explaination and then connection to those near.  if everything is well and gravy, then poor that over them spuds, eat and grow, live and learn.  there is a fine line to recklessness and courage, :rail2:

Sigmuend Frued got into the cocaine, wrote a book have yet to read myself, maybe do pass along to friend, being from an author of such status maybe something really good to be learned from the book.  Frued, as i understand studied cocaine, then up and stopped.  can similarily bid the same.  have yet to put a new hypothesis together for furthur studies.  :smile:

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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: stupid adage]
    #21663954 - 05/11/15 03:20 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)

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stupid adage said:
I agree with Shroomslip for the most part.  If it were me, I would try to sneak in a conversation about it at least once though.  Don't get all preachy about it, but remind him where that path leads.
Not much else you can do.




yea this.

just tell him to tone it down a bit, and shame him by calling him a coke head, na but if u are concerned, and he is a good enough friend, let him know ur concerns. but like stupid adage said only bring it up like once or something.. real friends look out for u and that regard.


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Re: Worried about my friend [Re: zZZz]
    #21664300 - 05/11/15 07:18 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)

I haven't read the thread - but will contribute my .02 cents.

When i was deep into drugs, i wished one of my friends had intervened.


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