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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: YouCanCallMe]
    #21661793 - 05/10/15 04:03 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

Since you say it's "both genetic and very early life" I can say I agree with you BUT only just a little bit. I think it's even more than "DNA and very early life". But in the end this argument doesn't matter (to me), so I'll just leave you with this..

There's nothing wrong with being perceived as a civil, compassionate person. There's nothing to gain from being the manliest man and egotistical about the small things in life. Being a warrior in the time of war is one thing, and being a hard ass/asshole at the grocery store or hanging out with friends is another. Just smile when you can and spread good vibes.

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21661802 - 05/10/15 04:05 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
This thread is now 100% BS and doesn't even belong in TPE anymore.  :lockdance:







these are my true thoughts/feelings whether you like it or not.


so basically anything that doesn't agree with your worldview in terms of psychadelics, doesn't belong in here?

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: YouCanCallMe] * 2
    #21662267 - 05/10/15 06:06 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

To be a warrior, you don't require a hard life, or to be hard whatsoever. Many native american tribes would train their warriors to show compassion, and to  think about others above yourself. I mean that's the whole point of warriors, is to protect your family and friends.

To say showing compassion and caring is not warrior-like is moronic. To be a true warrior, you need to be able to stand up for yourself and others, but not just throw others around. I am native american and my uncle trained me in a lot of traditional warrior ways. And he only showed me compassion and caring. Those were needed above all else.


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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Colours]
    #21662271 - 05/10/15 06:07 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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Colours said:
Since you say it's "both genetic and very early life" I can say I agree with you BUT only just a little bit. I think it's even more than "DNA and very early life". But in the end this argument doesn't matter (to me), so I'll just leave you with this..

There's nothing wrong with being perceived as a civil, compassionate person. There's nothing to gain from being the manliest man and egotistical about the small things in life. Being a warrior in the time of war is one thing, and being a hard ass/asshole at the grocery store or hanging out with friends is another. Just smile when you can and spread good vibes.





if america got invaded, who would you rather have?


eidt: i''ll expand more on this later


full warriors or half warriors?

Edited by YouCanCallMe (05/10/15 06:32 PM)

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. (moved) [Re: YouCanCallMe]
    #21662372 - 05/10/15 06:38 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

This thread was moved from The Psychedelic Experience.

Reason:
I haven't read the entire thread only the last 4 or so pages, but you're taking this into a very generalized discuss that is getting off topic for the forum. I respect your opinion though and will move this thread to a more appropriate place.

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: YouCanCallMe] * 2
    #21662530 - 05/10/15 07:29 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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YouCanCallMe said:
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Colours said:
Since you say it's "both genetic and very early life" I can say I agree with you BUT only just a little bit. I think it's even more than "DNA and very early life". But in the end this argument doesn't matter (to me), so I'll just leave you with this..

There's nothing wrong with being perceived as a civil, compassionate person. There's nothing to gain from being the manliest man and egotistical about the small things in life. Being a warrior in the time of war is one thing, and being a hard ass/asshole at the grocery store or hanging out with friends is another. Just smile when you can and spread good vibes.





if america got invaded, who would you rather have?


eidt: i''ll expand more on this later


full warriors or half warriors?




I would rather have people empathetic towards the injured and suffering than a brick walled asshole who doesn't give a shit about anyone else.

You're mad that LSD turned you into a less shitty person? I'm sorry, but that's all it seems like to me honestly.. If your will is so strong, you should be able to ignore all the feelings and be the man you want to be.
:shrug:
I've never heard anyone say this though, It's good to see people with an opinion on the other side, but the thing about your kids being spineless because you took LSD made me lol a bit. That's just silly.


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yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21662625 - 05/10/15 07:56 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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Psychonautica said:
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YouCanCallMe said:
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Colours said:
Since you say it's "both genetic and very early life" I can say I agree with you BUT only just a little bit. I think it's even more than "DNA and very early life". But in the end this argument doesn't matter (to me), so I'll just leave you with this..

There's nothing wrong with being perceived as a civil, compassionate person. There's nothing to gain from being the manliest man and egotistical about the small things in life. Being a warrior in the time of war is one thing, and being a hard ass/asshole at the grocery store or hanging out with friends is another. Just smile when you can and spread good vibes.





if america got invaded, who would you rather have?


eidt: i''ll expand more on this later


full warriors or half warriors?




I would rather have people empathetic towards the injured and suffering than a brick walled asshole who doesn't give a shit about anyone else.

You're mad that LSD turned you into a less shitty person? I'm sorry, but that's all it seems like to me honestly.. If your will is so strong, you should be able to ignore all the feelings and be the man you want to be.
:shrug:
I've never heard anyone say this though, It's good to see people with an opinion on the other side, but the thing about your kids being spineless because you took LSD made me lol a bit. That's just silly.







you're right, i can will myself to be how i want to be,

but some things in life are better and more necessary for you to be naturally like that.

it's ahrd to explain these types of things, buut i know when they happen.

it's ust certain thought patterns ,etc. 


like have you ever seen someone trying to be something they're not?

they can will themselves to be like that to a certain extent, but there will always be that x-factor missing, that let's you know it's an act or that they come off like a poser.



my thoughts are jumbling aruond asi i'm trying to explain this,

but ane xample is even the conversations on ehre that i'm having with people.



a few years ago i never cared or bothered to have these tyeps of conversations.

when i came to forums it was just to lurk for the information i needed for whatever i was trying to do and then i was out.

i didn't realy have it in me to try to explain myself about stuff like this, or this type of stuff wasn't even in me to begin with.

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Achillita]
    #21662652 - 05/10/15 08:01 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

Achillita said:
To be a warrior, you don't require a hard life, or to be hard whatsoever. Many native american tribes would train their warriors to show compassion, and to  think about others above yourself. I mean that's the whole point of warriors, is to protect your family and friends.

To say showing compassion and caring is not warrior-like is moronic. To be a true warrior, you need to be able to stand up for yourself and others, but not just throw others around. I am native american and my uncle trained me in a lot of traditional warrior ways. And he only showed me compassion and caring. Those were needed above all else.





true, but imo there's different levels of compassion or different wave lengths really.

there's a type of compassion that's more of an eye to eye level, (ex. maybe your mother helping you through some emotional processing or something like that)

and then there's the compassion of wanting to protect those you love (aka the warrior defending his family,etc) 

for example back then i still cared about the people around me, but protecting and being ready to fight for them was more natural.  like if my friend was about to get into a fight, there's was something inside me that made me get up no question.  now i can still get up to have his back, it's just not as natural.  it's not even fear, it's just now it's not automatic. (maybe it's maturity)

or some dude was once bullying my little sister ont he bus, and right away without thinking i squared up in his face, that's something i didn't think about, and i w ouldn't want to think about it.

nowadays i'd still do it, but there'd be a another level of thinking i didn't use to have such as ( maybe i'm misinterpreting the situation,maybe there just aruging and i don't need to get involved etc)

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: YouCanCallMe] * 2
    #21662668 - 05/10/15 08:04 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

Fake it until you make it. :shrug:

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way, but I think the reason you don't like the new you, is because of some underlying issues.

Like, you seem to be saying that the new you is feminine, and weak, when I personally believe, empathy makes you stronger, and more masculine. It takes a real man to admit they have feelings.

Most people would probably say they enjoy the new you, but it's hard to say without knowing you personally. :shrug:

I know I personally love the me, that came after psychedelics.
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Achillita said:
To be a warrior, you don't require a hard life, or to be hard whatsoever. Many native american tribes would train their warriors to show compassion, and to  think about others above yourself. I mean that's the whole point of warriors, is to protect your family and friends.

To say showing compassion and caring is not warrior-like is moronic. To be a true warrior, you need to be able to stand up for yourself and others, but not just throw others around. I am native american and my uncle trained me in a lot of traditional warrior ways. And he only showed me compassion and caring. Those were needed above all else.





true, but imo there's different levels of compassion or different wave lengths really.

there's a type of compassion that's more of an eye to eye level, (ex. maybe your mother helping you through some emotional processing or something like that)

and then there's the compassion of wanting to protect those you love (aka the warrior defending his family,etc) 

for example back then i still cared about the people around me, but protecting and being ready to fight for them was more natural.  like if my friend was about to get into a fight, there's was something inside me that made me get up no question.  now i can still get up to have his back, it's just not as natural.  it's not even fear, it's just now it's not automatic. (maybe it's maturity)

or some dude was once bullying my little sister ont he bus, and right away without thinking i squared up in his face, that's something i didn't think about, and i w ouldn't want to think about it.

nowadays i'd still do it, but there'd be a another level of thinking i didn't use to have such as ( maybe i'm misinterpreting the situation,maybe there just aruging and i don't need to get involved etc)



This sounds to me like you're more intelligent, and picking your battles much better.

You don't want to go "defending" your family and friends and beating the shit out of someone for a misunderstanding.
I'm not sure if there's anything you can do to fix the fact that you don't like the new you, but I'd imagine that taking more psychadelics will make you more comfortable with who you are.

You don't seem to think you're going to change, and I don't think you would either, once your mind is open, it's not going to close again. Perhaps try to take psychs again and fall in love with yourself, like you used to love yourself?

These are just my two cents, don't take anything personal man. :hug:


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Sheekle said:
yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21662747 - 05/10/15 08:23 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

Quote:

Psychonautica said:
Fake it until you make it. :shrug:

I'm sorry to hear that you feel that way, but I think the reason you don't like the new you, is because of some underlying issues.

Like, you seem to be saying that the new you is feminine, and weak, when I personally believe, empathy makes you stronger, and more masculine. It takes a real man to admit they have feelings.

Most people would probably say they enjoy the new you, but it's hard to say without knowing you personally. :shrug:

I know I personally love the me, that came after psychedelics.
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Achillita said:
To be a warrior, you don't require a hard life, or to be hard whatsoever. Many native american tribes would train their warriors to show compassion, and to  think about others above yourself. I mean that's the whole point of warriors, is to protect your family and friends.

To say showing compassion and caring is not warrior-like is moronic. To be a true warrior, you need to be able to stand up for yourself and others, but not just throw others around. I am native american and my uncle trained me in a lot of traditional warrior ways. And he only showed me compassion and caring. Those were needed above all else.





true, but imo there's different levels of compassion or different wave lengths really.

there's a type of compassion that's more of an eye to eye level, (ex. maybe your mother helping you through some emotional processing or something like that)

and then there's the compassion of wanting to protect those you love (aka the warrior defending his family,etc) 

for example back then i still cared about the people around me, but protecting and being ready to fight for them was more natural.  like if my friend was about to get into a fight, there's was something inside me that made me get up no question.  now i can still get up to have his back, it's just not as natural.  it's not even fear, it's just now it's not automatic. (maybe it's maturity)

or some dude was once bullying my little sister ont he bus, and right away without thinking i squared up in his face, that's something i didn't think about, and i w ouldn't want to think about it.

nowadays i'd still do it, but there'd be a another level of thinking i didn't use to have such as ( maybe i'm misinterpreting the situation,maybe there just aruging and i don't need to get involved etc)



This sounds to me like you're more intelligent, and picking your battles much better.

You don't want to go "defending" your family and friends and beating the shit out of someone for a misunderstanding.
I'm not sure if there's anything you can do to fix the fact that you don't like the new you, but I'd imagine that taking more psychadelics will make you more comfortable with who you are.

You don't seem to think you're going to change, and I don't think you would either, once your mind is open, it's not going to close again. Perhaps try to take psychs again and fall in love with yourself, like you used to love yourself?

These are just my two cents, don't take anything personal man. :hug:






you're right, for the most part people do like the 'new' me more.

it's partly how i came to these conclusions.

after a good day visiting an old friend and a long bus ride.

it was unusual because two different people i don't know that day asked me for directions,

now there's nothing wrong with that, but it's unusual especially for me.

before i would never be the one people asked stuff like that for.

i just came to the conclusion that for MY paticular goals in life this is not good.

i'd rather be more unapprocahble, more focused, etc.




edit: also, i don't belive in the saying 'fake it till you make it"

i think people that do this are annoying af and destroying themselves slowly but surely (aka Jon Jones UFC Champ)

Edited by YouCanCallMe (05/10/15 08:24 PM)

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: YouCanCallMe]
    #21662811 - 05/10/15 08:40 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

OP you are thinking too hard and yet not hard enough. :cookiemonster:


And making alot of outlandish assumptions. Alot of us have not had the awesomest experiences with psychedelics. Sometimes months or even years after it can mess with us. But psychedelics are only a tool that brings to light the depths of our minds. All this "pussy" and "warrior" shit was always in your mind. And it still is. It's just different now. You just got to learn to live with it and to learn to love yourself. These experiences are only bad because you think they are bad.


Oh and I'm pretty sure most people put on an act for the sake of others. Fake laughing is something most of us do. I've noticed it since I was a child. In your one example it sounds like you did it to avoid any confrontation or lingering feelings of agitation. Which isn't a bad thing. Trying to act tough guy warrior when some dude might think you're screwing around with his wife could be. You just need to try to see these things from a new perspective. Stop trying to live in your old ego. It's gone for a reason.

Also, a bit OT but most people try acid for the first time when they are young, you ever think you might have just "grown up"?


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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: YouCanCallMe]
    #21662848 - 05/10/15 08:47 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
This thread is now 100% BS and doesn't even belong in TPE anymore.  :lockdance:







these are my true thoughts/feelings whether you like it or not.


so basically anything that doesn't agree with your worldview in terms of psychadelics, doesn't belong in here?





Fuck that, I like anything actually to do with psychedelics.  But this has nothing to do with anything at all remotely connected with psychedelics at this point.  The "LSD changed my genes BS" is 100% BS, whether you like it or not. 



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Edited by PrimalSoup (05/10/15 08:52 PM)

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21662869 - 05/10/15 08:51 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
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YouCanCallMe said:
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PrimalSoup said:
This thread is now 100% BS and doesn't even belong in TPE anymore.  :lockdance:







these are my true thoughts/feelings whether you like it or not.


so basically anything that doesn't agree with your worldview in terms of psychadelics, doesn't belong in here?





Fuck that, I like anything actually to do with psychedelics.  But this has nothing to do with anything at all remotely connected with psychedelics at this point.  The "LSD changed my genes BS" is 100% BS, whether you like it or not. 

This thread is all just just :classictroll: now.  :bye:





He didn't put the thread in psychedelic experience, he put the thread in the pub, the mods moved the thread here.

Don't be a dick.


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yeah, i said i was afraid of psychonautica

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: CookieCrumbs]
    #21662879 - 05/10/15 08:54 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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Also, a bit OT but most people try acid for the first time when they are young, you ever think you might have just "grown up"?







yes, i think this is at least partly it

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21662889 - 05/10/15 08:57 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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Psychonautica said:

He didn't put the thread in psychedelic experience, he put the thread in the pub, the mods moved the thread here.

Don't be a dick.




:freshwtf:  Lame, never happened, it popped up in TPE a couple months ago.  :laugh2:


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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: PrimalSoup]
    #21663065 - 05/10/15 09:42 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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PrimalSoup said:
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Psychonautica said:

He didn't put the thread in psychedelic experience, he put the thread in the pub, the mods moved the thread here.

Don't be a dick.




:freshwtf:  Lame, never happened, it popped up in TPE a couple months ago.  :laugh2:



True DAT. And since then a dozen folks have put energy into writing very well thought out responses yet this guy is just beating a dead horse.
Opening poster- take some of these peoples lovely advice and shut the fuck up about it already.


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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Matt87]
    #21663309 - 05/10/15 10:46 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

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Matt87 said:
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PrimalSoup said:
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Psychonautica said:

He didn't put the thread in psychedelic experience, he put the thread in the pub, the mods moved the thread here.

Don't be a dick.




:freshwtf:  Lame, never happened, it popped up in TPE a couple months ago.  :laugh2:



True DAT. And since then a dozen folks have put energy into writing very well thought out responses yet this guy is just beating a dead horse.
Opening poster- take some of these peoples lovely advice and shut the fuck up about it already.






why is this thread making you MAD?  there's hundreds of threads right now beng posted in, why does this one in paticularlar make you mad.  if you don't like it, why don't you just ignore it?

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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: YouCanCallMe]
    #21663344 - 05/10/15 10:55 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

They're mad you don't like the same drugs as them? :shrug: No idea.


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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Psychonautica]
    #21663469 - 05/10/15 11:28 PM (9 years, 10 days ago)

I wouldn't say mad really. Your right though, I'll ignore and stay out of it.


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Re: I liked who I was before Taking LSD Better. [Re: Matt87]
    #21664636 - 05/11/15 09:59 AM (9 years, 9 days ago)

fuk  u guys.

now i odn't have it in me anymore to TAKE the things i want.


now i won't succeed because of you.

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