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Re: Hitting children [Re: Crystal G]
    #19279681 - 12/15/13 02:35 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Crystal G said:
Additionally, parents who hit their 3 year old toddlers are not doing it "out of discipline." They most likely are frustrated and want a quick and easy method to get their kid to shut up.

Reminds me of this mother who used to live in my apartment complex. She was a mother of 4, including a 1 year old baby. I was outside of her apartment and the baby was making a little bit of noise. The mother said, "Shut up, do you want me to give you Benadryl again?"

So all the baby wanted to do was play, and she was drugging it with Benadryl so it wouldn't disturb her daily activities. Every time I saw her she was on the couch watching TV or on the internet, not paying attention at all to her children. I pay more attention to my dog than she does her kids. This is the type of woman that I believe also spanks her kids.



What? I would've tripped out on her, I hate people like that.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Set]
    #19279795 - 12/15/13 03:07 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I never said parents know how to parent better than non-parents. 

I DID ask how many parents were posting in this thread.  I am not a parent, but I have been in the role before.  There are more dynamics at work than a non-parent might consider.  That doesn't mean a non-parent isn't as good of a parent, just that their opinion might sway based on new/unknown information. 

I think parenting comes from within and is usually compared to/based on what we experienced growing up.  What we thought was effective towards us and kept us in line we used, and the things we found ineffective we would do differently.
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Re: Hitting children [Re: MrBlueYoMind]
    #19279835 - 12/15/13 03:17 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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MrBlueYoMind said:
I never said parents know how to parent better than non-parents. 




I know.  I was just using your post as an example, too lazy to dig up better examples from the thread.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19280089 - 12/15/13 04:27 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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so what you're saying is that they simply did a survey




I didn't say this.  It was an interview with the parents and an analysis of the child's behavior.

Did you read the article, or are you just assuming things?  I don't think you read the article.  You are arguing like you just assumed it was about something.

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so it was a survey, surveys are of course the most accurate form of research




Again, it was not "a survey".  However, I will repeat what I said before in this thread.  Numbers do not lie.  These were multiple studies conducted by different groups, and analyzed by different psychologists.  It's not as "simple" as you are trying to make it. 

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whom exactly did they survey, parents and children with mental illnesses or that exhibited criminal behavior... what about those that had no background with criminality or mental illness, were they excluded, if so, then why? what questions were asked of these parents and children, was the family history looked into regarding emotional issues and mental illness

maybe you should post up the methodology for us so we can all see




All of it was plainly explained in each article I linked. 

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90% of american children are spanked, it's not a difficult concept to grasp
but for some reason the vast majority of these children dont grow up to fall
into these categories of being emotionally and cognitively under developed,
mentally ill, drug addicted or criminal... why would that be?




None of these articles, and nobody in this thread suggested anything remotely related to your question.  These studies indicated a high percentage of children who were spanked/hit for disciplinary measures, developed more of a potential for acts of violence as a resolution for conflicts.

None of these studies, nor anyone (that I'm aware of) in this thread said relating to a high percentage of these children having the potential to commit a crime, addicted to drugs, cognitively and emotionally under-developed.  All they did was suggest a link between certain behavioral patterns in children who were disciplined by physical measures.

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could the answer be that most studies, like documentaries have an outcome
in mind, that it's 'goal driven research'




Not at all.  There was another doctor in the article I posted did a counter study suggesting that an approach they described as “conditional spanking” led to greater reductions in child defiance or anti-social behavior than 10 of 13 alternative discipline techniques, including reasoning, removal of privileges and time outs.

This was a well conducted study out of 27 or so cases.  The issue comes down to substantial evidence.  There's been very little studies that have been done to suggest anything positive about physical disciplinary action (and they have been done).  There is extensive evidence suggesting negative implications of physical disciplinary action.  Again, numbers do not lie.  However you want to dress these studies, you can research them for yourself.  Find out who has granted for their research, find out these doctors history, whatever you want.  It's all there.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Konichiwaffle]
    #19280460 - 12/15/13 05:51 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Konichiwaffle said:
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so what you're saying is that they simply did a survey




I didn't say this.  It was an interview with the parents and an analysis of the child's behavior.




I guess you're unaware of what a survey is



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Did you read the article, or are you just assuming things?  I don't think you read the article.  You are arguing like you just assumed it was about something.




I dont want an article, I want the study so we can see what methodology was
used, how the families that were surveyed were selected, what the questions
and criteria were



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so it was a survey, surveys are of course the most accurate form of research




Again, it was not "a survey".




then clearly you have no concept of what a survey is, what you seem to be citing is a statistical survey, and as I've stated, it starts skewed

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Survey_methodology#Selecting_samples
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Statistical surveys are undertaken with a view towards making statistical inferences about the population being studied, and this depends strongly on the survey questions used. Polls about public opinion, public health surveys, market research surveys, government surveys and censuses are all examples of quantitative research that use contemporary survey methodology to answers questions about a population. Although censuses do not include a "sample", they do include other aspects of survey methodology, like questionnaires, interviewers, and nonresponse follow-up techniques. Surveys provide important information for all kinds of public information and research fields, e.g., marketing research, psychology, health professionals and sociology.





  However, I will repeat what I said before in this thread.  Numbers do not lie.  These were multiple studies conducted by different groups, and analyzed by different psychologists.  It's not as "simple" as you are trying to make it. 


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This was a well conducted study out of 27 or so cases.




wow... all these conclusions from such a small sampling


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Prisoner#1]
    #19281570 - 12/15/13 10:11 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

seems like it is common in the brown culture
(no racist)
a lot of my black friends experienced it and none of my white ones did


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Re: Hitting children [Re: thelanzii] * 1
    #19281614 - 12/15/13 10:24 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Re: Hitting children [Re: Set]
    #19281765 - 12/15/13 11:18 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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Set said:
Quote:

mick said:
I got spanked quite a bit when i was a child. so much that i learned to put on multiple layers of underwear. whatever, i was a prick when i was a kid, and most likely deserved it. no hard feelings.



Wow

It really wasn't your fault, and you really didn't deserve it.  Seriously.




i really dont care. get along great with my parents today. love them both with all my heart. they did what they knew how to do and if a spanking is the worst i got, i feel blessed.

lot of kids get second-hand smoke parents, or alcoholics, or drug addicts, or criminals, or molested. a lot of kids get even worse than that shit.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: fractaldill]
    #19281808 - 12/15/13 11:33 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

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fractaldill said:
just enough to get the message through... i know that if i wasnt punished enough id just end up destroying all my possessions. lol




You are incrediable! I just want you to know that. Yes! Take it all in. Do it. YES!


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Re: Hitting children [Re: XUL]
    #19283696 - 12/16/13 12:36 PM (10 years, 2 months ago)

I think that science is a joke. First they would have to define all the criteria from reasons for smacking to how you define " hitting ".

Then you would have to take into account the child's natural personality. Some kid's ( less common ) truly shouldn't be smacked or spanked, it isn't necessary and they wouldn't respond well to physical discipline.

In all reality I'm sure a few adults out there could use a good smack upside the head. If someone no matter what age ( except babies of course and toddlers or if they truly didn't know they were doing anything wrong ) deserves a smack, they deserve a smack... :grin:

It's all circumstantiAL, in context. If it's within reason, common sense etc etc.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: UziSuicide] * 1
    #21652392 - 05/08/15 08:34 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

stupid children need the most hitting.  plus they got it comin so it all works out


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Re: Hitting children [Re: sprinkles]
    #21652432 - 05/08/15 08:46 AM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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stupid children need the most hitting.  plus they got it comin so it all works out




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Re: Hitting children [Re: sprinkles]
    #21653047 - 05/08/15 12:04 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

but how did they get stupid :|


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Re: Hitting children [Re: abltsandwich] * 1
    #21653062 - 05/08/15 12:08 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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abltsandwich said:
but how did they get stupid :|



a lack of beatings


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Adolin]
    #21654039 - 05/08/15 04:29 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I usually win most rounds against children 9-10


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Adolin]
    #21654058 - 05/08/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

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Gresh said:
Quote:

abltsandwich said:
but how did they get stupid :|



a lack of beatings





yep.  gresh and I would make awesome honkey white babies.  they wouldnt collect scrap metal or cats or hoard stuff or nothing


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Soulidarity] * 2
    #21654062 - 05/08/15 04:33 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

You may win, but it's a boring fight. You're the Mayweather of the child-fighting circuit.

nicechrisman does karate on a fourth grade level, you should fight him for a 180 million dollar purse.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #21654086 - 05/08/15 04:37 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

I'll gladly hug it out with nicechrisman and run circles around him for 180mill

I'll fight his entire 4th grade karate class in a royal rumble style setup too


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Soulidarity] * 1
    #21654097 - 05/08/15 04:39 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Dys has 100$ on the karate kids. You better win.


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Re: Hitting children [Re: Burke Dennings]
    #21654114 - 05/08/15 04:43 PM (8 years, 9 months ago)

Hahaha, he messaged me the other day saying his funds are locked up or pending cos he transferred a few thousand to his PayPal and will send it across after that. Ole dystopia appears to be making good on his word


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